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Author Topic: Question for the Bachmann re: the 2-8-0 news release  (Read 4749 times)
Pacific Northern


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« on: July 10, 2009, 10:39:30 PM »

As indicated in the news release, the Spectrum 2-8-0 will now be part of the Standard line.
Does this mean less detail?
Will the Standard motor be the same as the Spectrum motor or is it to be changed?
Any change to the DCC chip to be used?

Any changes other than the above?
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2009, 11:24:42 PM »

I'm also curious about this. Also will it still be compatible with the Spectrum Med. Vanderbuilt tenders?Thanks,
Ryan
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the Bach-man
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2009, 11:57:06 PM »

Dear All,
The 2-8-0 will be basically the same engine. It's been moved to the Standard Line to make it more affordable.
I'll see what specifics I can find out tomorrow.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
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Yampa Bob

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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2009, 02:44:59 PM »

I'm sure many modelers are glad to see the 2-8-0 retained. As Mr B. noted, moving it to the Standard line makes it more affordable; the retail price has been reduced from $171 to $139.

However, it appears the UP version is no longer available with Stephenson Valve Gear, so I won't be buying any more. Besides I already have 3 new in their boxes, with Stephenson gear.

This seems to follow the current trend of "rubber stamping" a model, then applying an assortment of road names and numbers.

Also, we were earlier informed that the motors are 3 pole, yet the announcement still indicates 5 pole. Why can't we get a definitive answer on this issue?
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Pacific Northern


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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2009, 05:57:29 PM »

If I remember correctly it was the Bach Man himself who made the reference to the 3 pole motor in the 2-8-0. 

I too had asked about the 2-8-0 ads still referring to a 5 pole motor and was told they were old ads.

Wonder what other HO models may be using the 3 pole motor?
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2009, 04:12:05 PM »

I have always considered the Spectrum 2-8-0 Consolidation the "flagship" of the Bachmann steam line. I am disappointed it has been "demoted" to Standard status.

I find it ironic that the same Connie, with "sound on board" is still in the Spectrum line.  Perhaps at some point, only sound equipped locomotives will have the honor of being called "Spectrum".
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Pacific Northern


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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2009, 06:32:06 PM »

The Bach Man said he would check and get back to the Forum as to what the differences would be between the Spectrum Connie and the new Standard Connie.

I for one am most anxious to get a reply to that question. I too though of the Connie as the "Flagship" of the Spectrum line.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2009, 06:35:42 PM »

The Bach Man said he would check and get back to the Forum as to what the differences would be between the Spectrum Connie and the new Standard Connie.

I for one am most anxious to get a reply to that question. I too though of the Connie as the "Flagship" of the Spectrum line.

Agreed.

As to the sound option, as is known on this board I think sound is over rated and, even these days, still sounds "tinny" as in "Having a thin metallic sound: a high tinny voice" sounding rather like my oft mentioned "1960s transistor radio".   Grin



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Pacific Northern


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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2009, 04:49:31 PM »

Mr. Bach Man you were going to get back to us on the differences between the 2-8-0 Spectrum and Standard engines.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2009, 10:38:56 PM »

Dear All,
As far as I can find out there are no differences, although I haven't seen one.
The three pole motor issue is actually moot; the high efficiency three poles have at least the performance of the older five poles motors.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2009, 11:08:58 PM »

Good, some questions answered. Sad, that the 2-8-0 is demoted, it's such a great engine. It's relaxing to hear of the simularities, though.

Joshua
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2009, 01:27:02 PM »

"Would not a rose by any other name smell as sweet?"

What possible difference could it make what color box it comes in or what they call it?

A Ford Crown Victoria or Mercury Grand Marquis - no difference, built in the same plant, by the same workers, with the same parts.

I'm sure the new 2-8-0's will be no different. Biggest possible difference may be no sound equiped models since tha seems to be reserved for Spectrum line products. OK by me, like Roger I don't like onboard sound in HO.

As for the motors, like the Bach Man said, it matters not. The new 3 pole runs as good or better than the old 5 pole. I know, I have both.

Sheldon
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2009, 05:45:36 PM »

I'm actually glad the 2-8-0 is going to the standard line because now I will actually be able to afford one.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2009, 06:57:40 PM »

I'm actually glad the 2-8-0 is going to the standard line because now I will actually be able to afford one.

for me the price will be going up $20-30.....hobby shop i go to had a great price on em, not saying what the price was or the shop as i dont wanna break rules....
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2009, 07:00:26 PM »

I do not understand how moving the 2-8-0 from the Spectrum line to the Standard line will reduce the cost. If Bachmann wanted to reduce the cost could they just not lower the MSRP?

I know a few people from the local model railroaders club that will only buy the Spectrum engines and flatly refuse anything from the Standard line. These are obviously people who relate to the days of Bachmann of old.

Read the other forums, if the name Bachmann is mentioned as a brand there is little in the way of positive remarks, Spectrum on the other hand is usually considered to be a good quality engine
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