I really don't listen to critiques at this point in my life. "The Lone Ranger" was a great movie... especially for those of us with a penchant for the iron horse. My wife, son, and father-in-law all enjoyed it.
I don't wish to be a spoiler so I won't discuss the scenes in this new release, but I do highly recommend it for the train enthusiast. The trailers and commercials all show a 4-6-0 as one of the starring roles, so that's no secret, anyway.
I must ask The Bach-Man: Did your band of brothers and sisters have something to do with this movie? ;)
As the days pass, I think we will all have some interesting points to discuss. Perhaps, after opening weekend is done (just a thought)?
Regards,
Jonathan
i mostly want to see the movie because of the trains, form the trailers though they mostly look CGI though. be nice if they used B&O's william mason and other historic engines(say pushed by a desiel hidden inside a box car etc)
Quote from: jonathan on July 05, 2013, 07:29:08 PM
I really don't listen to critiques at this point in my life. "The Lone Ranger" was a great movie... especially for those of us with a penchant for the iron horse. My wife, son, and father-in-law all enjoyed it.
I don't wish to be a spoiler so I won't discuss the scenes in this new release, but I do highly recommend it for the train enthusiast. The trailers and commercials all show a 4-6-0 as one of the starring roles, so that's no secret, anyway.
I must ask The Bach-Man: Did your band of brothers and sisters have something to do with this movie? ;)
As the days pass, I think we will all have some interesting points to discuss. Perhaps, after opening weekend is done (just a thought)?
Regards,
Jonathan
I saw the movie this afternoon and very much enjoyed it. I thought it was lots of fun.
I've been wondering more or less the same thing about the rolling stock, especially the ten-wheelers. I thought they looked suspiciously like a Big Hauler locomotive. :)
J.B.J.
I was thinking, specifically, of the little boy playing with toy trains... in 1869?
Regards,
Jonathan
For those who are interested, it's notable that the trains are almost all "prop" trains, the equivalent of dummy diesel locomotives:
http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=33606
http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=34652
I haven't seen the film and thus won't comment on it, other than being astounded at the money that can be thrown into such an enterprise (and wishing I could get some of it, having actually attempted writing and selling a TV series based on railroaders on the job).
The people who made this were also the ones who made the "Pirates of the Caribbean" films, which were a lot of fun, although I wouldn't consider them to be all that historically accurate.
One fellow at RyPN was disappointed, but then he might be one of those fellows who's maybe a little too strictly for accuracy; curiously, he has four--FOUR--collections of movie clips on YouTube that feature cinematic train wrecks. with a combined length approaching four hours!
http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=35252
Yep, read his review, and several others, who all seem to be obsessed with accuracy and/or the fact they saw nothing new or extraordinary. Pity... I think so many miss the point. Movies are for entertainment. Was I entertained? Yes, very much so. That fact there are trains in almost every scene only adds to the joy.
I found it to be a fun retelling of the fictitious story from the 1950s, or was it earlier?
Regards,
Jonathan
I saw a couple trailers. Did not go see the movie. I just could not suspend disbelieving enough to attempt to see the movie. Good for kids though.
Same thing with the unstoppable movie. That movie was trash. I know the real story.
Rich
Quote from: jonathan on July 06, 2013, 10:56:16 PM
Yep, read his review, and several others, who all seem to be obsessed with accuracy and/or the fact they saw nothing new or extraordinary. Pity... I think so many miss the point. Movies are for entertainment. Was I entertained? Yes, very much so. That fact there are trains in almost every scene only adds to the joy.
Jonathan-
For some people "fun" is being so observant and knowledgeable that they can see everyone else's foibles and errors. We've seen it on this board, too, and not rarely. Well, it's fine if people get off on that. I'd rather suspend my disbelief, grin a little if I spot an error or a scene where the movie has gone just a little too far 'round the bend, and basically look forward to being entertained. That works a lot better for me.
-- D
Quote from: jonathan on July 06, 2013, 10:56:16 PM
Yep, read his review, and several others, who all seem to be obsessed with accuracy and/or the fact they saw nothing new or extraordinary. Pity... I think so many miss the point. Movies are for entertainment. Was I entertained? Yes, very much so. That fact there are trains in almost every scene only adds to the joy.
I found it to be a fun retelling of the fictitious story from the 1950s, or was it earlier?
Regards,
Jonathan
I agree with you, Jonathan.
Incidentally, the Lone Ranger dates to the days of radio drama in the 1930s (you know; TV without pictures ;D ). There were movie serials in the 1940s--I think; would need to double check that--and then the TV series in the 1950s. For many of us of the Baby Boom generation, Clayton Moore, who starred in the TV series, will always be
the Lone Ranger. :)
J.B.J.
P.S.: I thought that toy train was a cute bit of "Steam Punk." Apparently that hand crank generated electricity, which ran the train--or so it appeared to me.
Yes, the model train layout really caught my eye. Of course, not very realistic for 1869, but still something that made me smile.
This is why I was wondering if Bachmann contributed the layout to the movie. The locomotive sure looks like the HO scale standard 4-4-0 we're all familiar with, with a bit of modification to the stack.
As JBJ mentioned, it was an interesting treatment to have a crank to charge the juice for the track. Can you imagine keeping the layout running while the real train was moving down the rails? :)
Regards,
Jonathan
After I wrote this morning I got to thinking I could probably fairly easily provide myself with an HO Lone Ranger and Tonto to sit off in a corner of my layout somewhere, just for fun. I've already got an Indian figure that I wouldn't have to do any work on, though Tonto would not be on horseback. As for the Lone Ranger, I have cowboy figures in white hats with white horses who are supposed to be circus cowboys. Pretty much all I'd have to do to make one of them into the Lone Ranger would be to paint his clothes and add a mask.
I would be doing a "classic" Clayton Moore and Jay Silverheels Lone Ranger and Tonto, not Armie Hammer and Johnny Depp.
The crow on Tonto's head is very disturbing. Couldn't they have just given him a feather? I'm hesitant to see the movie because of it.
I agree about Tonto. I this remake it looks like they opened the gates of hell for the Tonto look!!
Quote from: Terry Toenges on July 09, 2013, 11:29:30 AM
The crow on Tonto's head is very disturbing. Couldn't they have just given him a feather? I'm hesitant to see the movie because of it.
I will agree that it is a strange head dress but there is a reason for it and it is part of the story.
Quote from: M1FredQ on July 09, 2013, 05:18:58 PM
I agree about Tonto. I this remake it looks like they opened the gates of hell for the Tonto look!!
Fred-
There were Comanche advisors on the film and they were happy enough about Depp's performance that the Comanche Nation made him an honorary member. I haven't seen the movie yet myself but some friends who did said they felt it was very good. From what I've heard, though, Depp channels Jack Sparrow more than Jay Silverheels. I was very fond of the Lone Ranger series when I was a boy in the 50s so I'm not sure if I'll be comfortable with this
modern version.
-- D
I've heard the reason and what it symbolizes. Still think it looks bad. I still watch the Lone Ranger on TV.
Quote from: Johnson Bar Jeff on July 08, 2013, 10:20:29 AM
Incidentally, the Lone Ranger dates to the days of radio drama in the 1930s (you know; TV without pictures
It began in Detroit, Mi., WXYZ radio, 1933.
We hesitated going to see the film because of the poor reviews.
Went last Sunday and enjoyed it. It is NOT a typical Western movie. A lot of comedy ala Depp and good action.
The steam engine and train replications were done very well. A good movie to just enjoy if you can forget the old Lone Ranger.
8)
Quote from: Doneldon on July 09, 2013, 09:02:08 PM
There were Comanche advisors on the film and they were happy enough about Depp's performance that the Comanche Nation made him an honorary member. I haven't seen the movie yet myself but some friends who did said they felt it was very good. From what I've heard, though, Depp channels Jack Sparrow more than Jay Silverheels. I was very fond of the Lone Ranger series when I was a boy in the 50s so I'm not sure if I'll be comfortable with this modern version.
-- D
I guess those Comanche advisers explain the photos I've seen on line of two older Indian gentlemen with Johnny Depp.
I had every intention of seeing this movie if possible because of the trains and because I'm a bit of a Lone Ranger fan myself, but this is most definitely not the "classic" Lone Ranger. However, if you enjoy movies with lots of action sequences--with some comedy thrown in among the action--you might enjoy that. And I agree with what has been said about the trains; they are done very well.
Plus, if you see it yourself and still dislike it, you'll have an informed dislike based on your own experience and not just on what you've read. I read one syndicated newspaper review that essentially called the movie crap, and one local newspaper review that liked the movie and gave it three stars out of the possible four that the local paper uses to rate movies.
J-J
I do plan to see it, probably with my best friend who remembers TLR from radio. He's also in end stage non-Hodgkins so any distraction is a good thing. We go to movies -- he often falls asleep -- and then for something good to eat. I think it keeps his strength up some and he needs that. He's also diabetic and is in renal failure so a large part of his life is going for dialysis and then chemo and then dialysis again to flush the chemo poisons out. My own experience with cancer was a long and ugly struggle in my 20s when I had youth and strength on my side. My friend doesn't have those assets. But if TLR helps his mood and gives him a laugh or two it will be time well spent. I am looking forward to the trains, as is my friend. Do I understand correctly that the trains are all models or animations or something?
-- D
Doneldon,
The principal locomotive in the movie is a 4-6-0. I believe that one is real, though I can't remember who lent it to the studio. Some cars were also built for the full train shots. There were plenty of shots around the principle train and locomotive to convince me it was real.
The part that made me smile the most, was the HO Scale layout inside one of the business cars. The operator turned some sort of crank that seems to provide current to run the locomotive... no batteries or wind up mechanics of course. The reason I posted about it was that the model loco looked amazingly close to the standard 4-4-0 sold by Bachmann, even sounded real familiar. Since The Bach-Man hasn't posted, I'm guessing my assessment may be wrong. However, it was a nice looking layout... especially for 1869. ;D The scene was a bit dark, so I couldn't tell what kind of couplers the model train had.
Sincerely, hope you and your friend enjoy the show. I may go see it again. Trying to convince one of my friends to go, as I went with my family the first time.
About the crow headdress... I was skeptical at first, but the backstory fixed my worries.
Regards,
Jonathan
Jonathan-
Thank you for the train information.
-- D
Quote from: Doneldon on July 10, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
J-J
I do plan to see it, probably with my best friend who remembers TLR from radio. He's also in end stage non-Hodgkins so any distraction is a good thing. We go to movies -- he often falls asleep -- and then for something good to eat. I think it keeps his strength up some and he needs that. He's also diabetic and is in renal failure so a large part of his life is going for dialysis and then chemo and then dialysis again to flush the chemo poisons out. My own experience with cancer was a long and ugly struggle in my 20s when I had youth and strength on my side. My friend doesn't have those assets. But if TLR helps his mood and gives him a laugh or two it will be time well spent. I am looking forward to the trains, as is my friend. Do I understand correctly that the trains are all models or animations or something?
-- D
That's very nice of you. I'm sure your friend will at least get a few laughs out of the movie, if nothing else.
And when I wrote yesterday, I forgot to add that it might be a good idea if you can find a bargain matinee. ;)
Quote from: jonathan on July 10, 2013, 06:07:54 PM
The principal locomotive in the movie is a 4-6-0. I believe that one is real, though I can't remember who lent it to the studio. Some cars were also built for the full train shots. There were plenty of shots around the principle train and locomotive to convince me it was real.
I found this about the trains in the movie:
http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1005605/lone-ranger-featurettes-heroes-villains-and-trains
Scroll down and play the featurette about the trains. It doesn't answer a whole lot about the trains, but it does tell us something.
After seeing the featurette on the train I have a couple of points.
To me, the loco looks too new for 1869. On the cars - One car had a full metal frame. That looked too new.
Quote from: Terry Toenges on July 11, 2013, 01:05:39 PM
After seeing the featurette on the train I have a couple of points.
To me, the loco looks too new for 1869. On the cars - One car had a full metal frame. That looked too new.
Terry-
Ten-wheelers certainly existed by the 1860s though the 4-4-0s still greatly outnumbered them. I think the lack of a balloon stack and elaborate ornamentation are what make the movie 4-6-0 look newer than 1869. However, it was at about that time that ten-wheelers began to be produced in large numbers, although they had a comparatively short time at the top. At about the same time that ten-wheelers were replacing the 4-4-0s, the railroads began to think more about specialized locomotives rather than all purpose ones. Thus, high-stepping Atlantics showed up for fast passenger service and huskier 2-8-0s (and a little later 2-8-2s) were used for freights by the 1890s.
As for the passenger equipment, I think it looks pretty good. The duck-billed roofs were very well done. I can't say that the part where TLR is galloping through the train shooting the bad guys through the windows was convincing but, hey, it's a movie. And an action movie at that. It should be a little over the top.
The thing which did bother me is that they are building the transcontinental railroad through Texas (well, New Mexico doubling Texas) but that's not where the line we think of as the transcon was built. That was about 600 miles north of where the movie is set. Yes, the Espee and Santa Fe built transcons through the Southwest, but those lines aren't really thought of as transcons because they weren't the first and I'm pretty sure they weren't part of the Transcontinental Railroad Act that the Congress and President Lincoln found time to enact despite the "distraction" of the Civil War. (Wouldn't it be nice to have such a productive and cooperative government today?) Those southern lines were held up, additionally, by Northern fears that a southern transcon would open up the Southwest and maybe even California to slavery. Anyway, the southerly transcons were built years later - the Espee in 1881 and the AT&SF in 1883. So ... despite the rigorous attention to historicity in regards to building the train authentically, the movie itself is at best an anachronism and essentially faulty in its main premise. Soap box surrendered.
-- D
I worked for over two years in the immediate area where this movie was filmed. It is in New Mexico west of Hurley and south of Silver City. The original railroad there was an ATSF subsidiary.
This is on no one's transcon line. The railroad there was built as a series of branch lines serving copper mines in Hurley and north of Hurley, and south of Silver City (Tyrone). A branch once extended north to Silver City proper, where it interchanged with a narrow gauge (two foot gauge!) that extended into a mining district north of town. The south end of the line connects with the UP (ex-SP Sunset Line) in Deming. Another line (now Southwestern RR, as is the line north of Deming) runs northwest of Deming to Rincon, where it connects with the BNSF (ex ATSF) Belen to El Paso line. This combination formed a very early transcon route (ATSF Chicago-Deming, SP Deming-Los Angeles).
Silver City has no railroads. The abandoned ATSF line from Burro Junction (east of Tyrone) to the former yard/depot location in south Silver City can be traced on Google Earth, as can the 2-foot gauge right of way north of town. This road terminated at Pinos Altos, a gold-mining town. The old 2-foot gauge right of way and yard in Pinos Altos can be seen on Google Earth. Railroads leaves traces that can be seen from space still after over 100 years.
For all of this, I read in "Trains Magazine" that the railroad used in the movie was a six-mile temporary loop that was taken up after filming. It also said the locomotives in the movie were full-size mockups (like used in "Hell on Wheels". The trains themselves were pushed by a Diesel locomotive from the other end.
I have friends who were present at the filming, and saw the movie and liked it. It is not really my taste in movies.
Quote from: Desertdweller on July 11, 2013, 08:26:31 PM
For all of this, I read in "Trains Magazine" that the railroad used in the movie was a six-mile temporary loop that was taken up after filming. It also said the locomotives in the movie were full-size mockups (like used in "Hell on Wheels". The trains themselves were pushed by a Diesel locomotive from the other end.
That's interesting to know. Thanks! :)
I figured the engines were mockups, and I still think that ten-wheeler looks a lot like the Big Hauler. ;D I still find it a little puzzling that they chose to use a ten-wheeler instead of a 4-4-0.
I, too, thought the duck-billed passenger cars were done well.
Quote from: Desertdweller on July 11, 2013, 08:26:31 PM
I worked for over two years in the immediate area where this movie was filmed. It is in New Mexico west of Hurley and south of Silver City. The original railroad there was an ATSF subsidiary. This is on no one's transcon line. For all of this, I read in "Trains Magazine" that the railroad used in the movie was a six-mile temporary loop that was taken up after filming. It also said the locomotives in the movie were full-size mockups (like used in "Hell on Wheels". The trains themselves were pushed by a Diesel locomotive from the other end.
Dd-
The movie's story is that the depicted events occurred during the building of the transcontinental railroad. The feature on the trains of the movie (Inet address above) states the tracks were laid expressly for the movie -- they even showed part of that -- and that the loco was made as an exact replica for authenticity. They didn't specifically say that the locomotives operated under their own power; it may very well be that the trains were propelled by off camera dirty Ds.
-- D
At 32 seconds into the trains trailer you can see there is an SW (?) pushing.
Considering the Bachmann Big Hauler pre-dated the filming of the movie, I think it is very possible that was used as the model for the mock-up in the movie.
Les
Didn't see anything that looks like Bachamnn Trains, but after looking at the trailers I will go see it for the train scenes for sure!
Dear Don
Sorry for the long delay.
As I mentioned in another thread one of my sons is on a ALL-Star Baseball Team and they have been playing 3-4 times a week since 4th of July and we are doing a lot of traveling. Even more now that they won the local Division and we are headed toward the Regionals.
One of my brothers is an Anthropologist Archaeologist on North American Indian Tribes with focus on the Midwest and Northern Plains. I will run the Tonto "look" by him and see what he says. I guess I loved the old Lone Ranger Series and can't grasp a new look for Tonto. As a little kid my Dad took us all to see the actors when they came to Chicago and I never forgot what an impression they made and how nice they were to all us kids.
Thanks for the info. I'll probably have to wait for the film to hit Family Video before we all get a chance to see it.
Quote from: jonathan on July 10, 2013, 06:07:54 PM
Since The Bach-Man hasn't posted, I'm guessing my assessment may be wrong.
Maybe not. "No" answers are easy to provide. "Yes" answers may be withheld due to non-disclosure agreements with the studio. Or maybe he doesn't know the answer yet and is looking into it.
Quote from: M1FredQ on July 16, 2013, 10:55:58 AM
One of my brothers is an Anthropologist Archaeologist on North American Indian Tribes with focus on the Midwest and Northern Plains. I will run the Tonto "look" by him and see what he says.
Supposedly it's based on a painting of an actual member of the Crow tribe (which maybe doesn't make much sense for someone who is supposed to be a Comanche), but it would be interesting to hear what a professional has to say about it.
QuoteAs a little kid my Dad took us all to see the actors when they came to Chicago and I never forgot what an impression they made and how nice they were to all us kids.
I've read in the Wikipedia article about the Lone Ranger (the character) that Clayton Moore and Jay Silverheels took very seriously what they considered their duty to be role models for kids, so it's nice to read that your experience jives with what I've read.
J-J
Clayton Moore took his role model responsibilities very seriously. He even went to court at his own expense to
get the right to represent TLR for kids many years after the series was moldering in a can somewhere.
-- D
Clayton Moore wore the mask in public. I remember that, over the years, he was sued and then he sued - all over the silly mask.
As a kid I loved the Lone Ranger. Today the shows are very silly. I used to love his disguises (old man, old woman) and never thought about from where he got the disguises.. He sure didn't keep them in saddle bags.
I'm reminded of a joke they used to tell when I was a kid. The Lone Ranger and Tonto are surrounded by a horde of angry Indians. The Lone Range says, "Tonto, it looks like we are surrounded." Tonto replies, "What do you mean ""we?""
Quote from: Woody Elmore on July 17, 2013, 06:41:52 AM
Clayton Moore wore the mask in public. I remember that, over the years, he was sued and then he sued - all over the silly mask.
It wasn't that silly to him--or to his legions of loyal fans.
The one series of legal actions that I know a little bit about wasn't started by Moore. Long before 1980's
The Legend of the Lone Ranger was released, the producers of that film brought an injunction against Moore to make him stop making appearances because they claimed his appearances as the Lone Ranger might hurt their movie. Moore sued--they were harming his ability to earn a living (doesn't it always come down to money? :( )--and I believe he won.
Apparently the producers' action against Moore angered a lot of Baby Boomer fans of the Lone Ranger. I believe
The Legend of the Lone Ranger is generally considered a flop, though, personally, I like it well enough. I even own a lunchbox tied into the movie (complete with thermos). ;D
Quote from: Woody Elmore on July 17, 2013, 06:41:52 AM
I used to love his disguises (old man, old woman) and never thought about from where he got the disguises.. He sure didn't keep them in saddle bags.
Yeah, where did he get all those disguises? ;D
Sorry for getting so far away from the trains aspect of the new movie. ... :-[
Quote from: Johnson Bar Jeff on July 17, 2013, 12:09:45 PM
Yeah, where did he get all those disguises?
J-J
We didn't get far from trains at all. It's a well-known fact that the Lone Ranger was a major railfan who kept train movies in his saddlebags along with an HO pike and his masquerade costumes. There's not much to do in the evening around a campfire, you now, or even in a western hotel when you're TLR so you can't hang out at the saloon or with the dance hall ladies.
D
Was heading home from work early just a few minutes ago and just happened to put on the Michael Medved radio show.
He was commenting to a caller what a bad movie The Lone Ranger was and Johnny Depp was trying to make Tonto into a
"Captain Jack" like character as in The Pirates of the Caribbean". My kids were listening and said they still want to see it. From what I have read on this Forum I will still see it with the kids for the "Train" scenes and entertainment.
It is supposed to come to our "Drive In" here in town that would be fun!!!!!
You will enjoy it. Wife and I are senor citizens and well recall all the old TLR stuff and we have seen every "Jack Sparrow" flick. We liked this one even if it isn't like the original oldies.
As for hiding disguises, the Lone Ranger and his brother owned a silver mine. Maybe that's where he kept the costumes!
It's been many years since I watched a Lone Ranger with Clayton Moore. Do tell - did he ever square off against the nefarious (booo!!) Butch Cavendish?
The latest film was seriously panned by critics yet it is making money. Apparently there are no exploding cars, car crashes, guys in sunglasses, super heroes, vampires or Bruce Willis in the movie.
Now that I'm semi-retired, maybe I'll write the definitive Lone Ranger biography.
I always take what the film critics say with more than a few grains of salt.
It's just that Michael Medved is usually pretty fair and I was disappointed in his review yesterday.
I had already read what folks said about the film before yesterday and I respect the info folks share on the forum.
Like I said I plan to still see it . In fact last night the kids were asking about it and I told them we can see it at the drive in when it comes to town!!!
Thanks again for all the input everybody!!!
I rem him losing the right to wear the mask so he took to wearing dark sun glasses.
Quote from: Doneldon on July 17, 2013, 05:37:12 PM
J-J
We didn't get far from trains at all. It's a well-known fact that the Lone Ranger was a major railfan who kept train movies in his saddlebags along with an HO pike and his masquerade costumes. There's not much to do in the evening around a campfire, you now, or even in a western hotel when you're TLR so you can't hang out at the saloon or with the dance hall ladies.
D
D,
Those saddle bags must have been a little like Mary Poppins' carpet bag: Whatever you need, you just pull out of the bag. ;)
JBJ
Quote from: M1FredQ on July 17, 2013, 06:10:02 PM
It is supposed to come to our "Drive In" here in town that would be fun!!!!!
Seriously? They still have a drive-in where you live? :o Cool! The train sequences would be awesome on a big drive-in screen.
The Lone Ranger and Roy Rogers TV shows kept alive the notion (from the earlier movies) that good guys wore white hats and the bad guys wore black ones. I don't know where wearing a bird fits in.
Johnson Bar not only do we still have a "Drive In" but the owner put up a new screen last Summer!!!!!!!
People get there early tail gate dinner or snacks. Kids get into their P.J.'s
put up some mosquito netting, air-mattresses go up on the roofs of the SUV's and we all have a great time. It does get crowded sometimes!!!!!!
Thanks everyone for the heads up on the film can't wait to see it on the "BIG" screen!!!
Quote from: M1FredQ on July 19, 2013, 09:52:44 AM
Johnson Bar not only do we still have a "Drive In" but the owner put up a new screen last Summer!!!!!!!
People get there early tail gate dinner or snacks. Kids get into their P.J.'s
put up some mosquito netting, air-mattresses go up on the roofs of the SUV's and we all have a great time. It does get crowded sometimes!!!!!!
Thanks everyone for the heads up on the film can't wait to see it on the "BIG" screen!!!
Well, it sounds like lots of fun. :) I have fond memories of family trips to see movies at the drive-in when I was knee-high to a cowcatcher. In fact there were two (!) drive-ins in the town where I grew up. One was called the Comet, the other the Sky-Vue. Both are long gone, of course. :(
Quote from: Woody Elmore on July 19, 2013, 07:05:12 AM
The Lone Ranger and Roy Rogers TV shows kept alive the notion (from the earlier movies) that good guys wore white hats and the bad guys wore black ones. I don't know where wearing a bird fits in.
Fits in with being a member of the Crow tribe, IIRC.
Quote from: Woody Elmore on July 19, 2013, 07:05:12 AM
The Lone Ranger and Roy Rogers TV shows kept alive the notion (from the earlier movies) that good guys wore white hats and the bad guys wore black ones. I don't know where wearing a bird fits in.
Especially when the guy is a good guy but the bird he's wearing is black.
Finally "The Lone Ranger " came to our Family Video and we checked it out Saturday and saw it everyday till today.
Overall I liked it because in our family we are partial to Johnny Depp BUT the Lone Ranger character isa little lame.
I am familar with Jerry Bruckheimer films. He takes a lot of artistic license and mixes history. I had to tell my kids that event at the meeting of the 2 RR's for the Transcontinental RR didn't happen.
Overall as everyone above advised the TV Series was well done and great TV.
Taken by itself this L.R. is OK. TRain scenes were great.
It is set up for a sequel and I hope they do one.
the whole family liked it and my kids range from 18 to Joey 10.
Just hope Lone Ranger character gets some more grit in his personality
from Utah the golden spike is going to have a steam festival here in a week or 2 . those locos that were in that movie are going to be blowing off some steam in our winter climate . location is golden spike park . which is a few miles away from where the golden spike was driven at promontory which is at the north end of the great salt lake . and the winter crows will be hanging around also. Dave
Wish we could go.
Is there an airport nearby if we come out to see the park and mu seam??
Was talking to some friends who are into film and they did say Jerry Bruckheimer will do sequels and he is considering another Lone Ranger its just that Johhny Depp is getting booked up and may not be available for awhile.!!!!
FRED Salt lake city Utah 1 1/2 hr drive from there north. if you ever do go Ogden has a train museum plus a browning arms and a old car . Ogden has the steam 833 4-8-4 just like the 844 with out the outer skins (removed asbestos) and a rare turbine i think loco 26 called the bird cooker, and allot of history of the union pacific and lots of other train stuff . Ogden was a main station from ohmaha to Sacramento like the big boy 4-8-8-4 and those unusual big locos of gas and diesel
web pages http://theunionstation.org/index.php/museums-2/
and a great airforce museums
web page http://www.hill.af.mil/library/museum/
Dave
thanks for all the info that can be a stop in our travel plans in the future. for spring break i will head out to lake Tahoe and make our way to California and down the Pacific Coast Highway.there a couple of train museums along the way. I have always wanted to get to the site of the meeting of the TCA(Trans continental railroad) As for the Lone Ranger Movie, Micheal Medved on his radio program had Jeffery Lyons as his guest.He is a nationally syndicated movie critic, he and Michael Medved used to be on a program together called ""Sneak Previews"".
They were discussing the lone Ranger movie and Jeffery went ballistic !! He gave it a worst movie of the year. He stated all the reasons folks above have stated on the Forum. He said The Lone Ranger was his favorite childhood TV show and was upset Jerry Bruckheimer ""butchered"" the characters. He was upset the Tonto character was like a humorous side kick and the events were mostly all taken out of the wrong periods of time.
I tried to call in because as out sorts as the movie was I am secretly hoping they go through with the sequel.
With all this heavy snow and frigid cold I went to Family Video and we rented some of the episodes of the real Lone Ranger and the kids were "into" it!! and liked it!! Just like when my wife bought me the set of Twilight Zone collection, my kids and their friends love playing those episodes!!!
Anyway as for train related movies one of the folks on this forum sent me a link to a really good Russian film about a Veteran Russian soldier suffering from PTWS(Post Traumatic War Syndrome) is sent to Siberia. he meets a German woman held in captive they "fire" up an old Steamer they find on an island and attempt to make their way to Mongolia. It's a REALLY good film train action you will be impressed with, and typical Russians they used real locomotives!!! The main character is a good actor and believeable. Only drawback is you will have to watch it with subtitles as it is not English dubbed.
It's on U-Tube. Enjoy and hope some folks comment on it
FWIW, one of the mock-up locos from the movie is/was in Fillmore, CA as of this past summer. It was kind of buried down in the Fillmore and Western's yard, but you could get to it. The F&W has several movie credits itself, including a recent NCIS/LA episode. They have a nice 2-8-0 that should be in steam this year, assuming the county, which owns the track, doesn't throw them off and abandon the whole line.
Fred-
Perhaps I misunderstood your itinerary but the meeting point for the TCRR is at Promontory Point, UT, not California. Be sure to check out Travel Town in Griffith Park in Los Angeles. They have a well done railroad collection.
-- D
Fred, If you're going to Lake Tahoe, drive down to Carson City and see the Nevada Train museum there (I think that's the name). You are also close to Virginia City too which has a train ride.
And then DEFINITELY stop at the California train museum in old Sacramento,,,a must see. If you have time on the drive from Tahoe to Sacramento, stop at Coloma, CA, site of Sutters Mill and the first gold discovery...you drive right by the road to it from Placerville.
That is a great area to visit....even the old Bonanza town and film set is at Lake Tahoe. And much, much more
A buddy of mine, visiting railroad related places on the west Coast went and checked out the old SPNG which is in the Owens Valley. I guess that it's in the middle of nowhere but they have some of the old equipment on display.
Thanks for the info about Carson City.
When I took the kids last Spring Break we did pass Carson City and I was talking to the kids about the History
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I didn't know about the TRain Museam. I will make the stop instead of hitting NAPA,the kids aren't too excited about wines yet!
Griffith Park didn't know about the train museam we went there and toured around the building checking out the "Tesla" machine I will make sure we get to the trains!!
Thanks!!
Thought you all might be interested in this featurette on the making of the railroad sequences from the film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdXTXWpIYgQ
Discussion of same from Railway Preservation News:
http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=36157
Since it's So cold here kids and I were talking about our Spring break plans.
Carson city is doable as we will spend the night in lake Tahoe area as Napa is off the list.
we do pass through Sacramento so we can stop their too then its down the Pacific Coast to L.A. area
Thanks everyone for the ideas!!!!!!!!!!!
Fred-
The California State Railroad Museum in Sacramento is an outstanding attraction. The Nevada Northern Railroad is good, too. It's east of Reno quite a ways but you could plan to stop there on your way to or from Lake Tahoe.
-- D
About how far from Reno??
Fred-
Quite a ways. The Nevada on-line state map shows 320 miles. But it would be worth the drive if it's just a detour on the way going or coming. If you fly into Reno and then must do a 600+ mile trip, well, only you can decide if that would be worth your while. Why not go to the Nevada Northern web site and see what they have there? You might even decide to take an operator class or "rent" and run a locomotive for a while!
-- D
Thanks
I have maps from AAA I'll check it out!!!