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Title: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on February 10, 2014, 10:07:35 PM
We're doing some reorganizing in my basement, and my father came up with the idea of making an even bigger train table for my model railroad so I don't have to be just confined to a 4x8 sheet of plywood. I agreed, this would be a pretty good idea. But with it would also come an overhaul to my train layout. SO... time to make some new plans!

Here is what will be Stage One of the new layout:
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It will be constructed in Atlas Code-100 nickel-silver snap track, and will start of as analog DC (maybe with blocking), before I eventually upgrade to an E-Z Command DCC system.

I plan to reuse the same structures and action accessories, also get some new ones, and of course reuse the same locomotives and rolling stock. (Though I may also make this layout DCC as well.)
The landscaping will also be more improved with this layout. I may reuse several of the trees, signs and poles, but the grass, roads and other parts will be new. (Instead of a mat, I will paint directly onto the plywood and then sprinkle the grass and earth material onto it.)

The new benchwork construction should begin next week, hopefully. Until then, I had already dismantled the existing layout to get that out of the way. For the time being, I set up a temporary figure-8 layout of track on the plywood so I can continue running my equipment:
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Any comments?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on February 10, 2014, 10:53:23 PM
W, what are the dimensions of the new layout?

Agree with the idea to ditch the grass mat in favor of paint and texture material.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on February 12, 2014, 12:05:35 AM
W, what are the dimensions of the new layout?

It's like an 8x8 square, but with 1/4th of it cut out.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on February 12, 2014, 08:21:33 AM
Good deal!  Best of luck with it!


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on February 12, 2014, 09:40:37 AM
I've said it before and i'll say it again. watch out for that s curve.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Joe Satnik on February 12, 2014, 11:15:38 AM
Wiley,

When your train derails on the turnout in the upper left hand corner,

how will you reach it?

No track should be more than 24" or 30" from an edge where you can stand.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik   


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on February 24, 2014, 07:58:29 PM
I will be able to still access that track by going over to that side of the table. It isn't completely shoved into a corner, because then that would REALLY restrict things for me.

But besides that, we got the lumber today! We will then assemble the benchwork some time this week, and then I will get started on landscaping. I did draw where the roads will go on the existing plywood, and I also did a bit of test-fitting of some of the track to get an idea on how the roads will be positioned and such:
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t31/q80/s720x720/1596786_10200886141714082_680276114_o.jpg)

I have a feeling this is going to be quite a project...


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: trainmainbrian on February 25, 2014, 07:41:56 AM
I will be able to still access that track by going over to that side of the table. It isn't completely shoved into a corner, because then that would REALLY restrict things for me.

But besides that, we got the lumber today! We will then assemble the benchwork some time this week, and then I will get started on landscaping. I did draw where the roads will go on the existing plywood, and I also did a bit of test-fitting of some of the track to get an idea on how the roads will be positioned and such:
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t31/q80/s720x720/1596786_10200886141714082_680276114_o.jpg)

I have a feeling this is going to be quite a project...
Wily... Go to General Questions forums and pull up my Layout pictures of my layout it might give you some idieas on scenery.. There are also other pictures of layouts on there as well... This might be a good visual point for you when you get to the scenery stage... Anyone can buy building kits and plop them onto a layout... I hope this helps for you... & Enjoy building your layout... My layout building has taken me 2- 1/2 yrs so far my layout is 16 ft long x 6 feet wide 52" high... Ohh yea one other thing wily I seen in your photos your old layout is pretty low to floor with your new layout your building...Raise your complete layout I'd say @ least waist level. I'd go with around 48" max 55" this way when friends and family come to visit your layout it is @ least a decent level for viewing and operating as well... And remember to post pics in different fazes of building your layout as well I am sure everyone will like to see the progress.... And happy Model Railroading


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on March 29, 2014, 07:48:08 PM
Been a while, but I've got plenty of updates!

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Completed extended train table from early this week. The plywood on the extension can be removed temporarily if I need to access something from the other end.
This is before the landscaping I started this week. Here are where I've decided buildings will go...
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Where I'm installing my Tyco operating boxcar station and freight-unloading depot, along with my Tyco lighted yard tower.

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I can now finally install that Tyco operating crossing flasher! (The lights don't alternate flashing; they just come on steady as the train goes over the sensor, but still a nice accessory!) I also put my Life-Like Snap-Loc station building kit here.

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Tyco crossing gate (with nickel-silver track!) and lighted freight station. On the other side of the second track I will install a crossing signal and gate there. (There will be another crossing on the layout that will use a Bachmann dual crossing gate.)

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My two Center St. building kits! I plan to maybe get a couple more, like that Furniture Store one, as I do have room for some more structures on this layout. For those unfamiliar, the Center St. building kits were made by Pola and originally branded by Tyco in the 1980s and early 1990s, then by IHC until the end of the 1990s.

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These are the buildings I have so far on the extension. I'm also going to set up a farm here.

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On Tuesday I began the landscaping. And HERE'S how far I got as of today...
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(The track areas with no landscaping on them will have ballast applied to them.)

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My new Woodland Scenics tunnel!

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The progress so far as of now.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on March 30, 2014, 07:59:51 AM
Looks great!
Very similar in footprint to what my son have put together.  Trying to decide whether to run the track along the edge like you have or not, bc I do agree with those who say not doing so, does add some interest to the track plan.

Re: the TYCO crossing gate-I used to have one-did you replace the section of straight track that came with it or are you saying it came with nickel silver?  The reason I ask, is, to my knowledge, TYCO never produced n/s track-only steel and brass.  So if the crossing is stock and has not been modified, you may want to check to see if it is n/s by placing a magnet on the rails Wiley.

PS  And before the "S" curve police arrive, let me point out to you that it looks like you have one coming off the left handed snap switch that runs near the post, diverging to the interior of the layout.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: trainmainbrian on March 30, 2014, 09:26:13 AM
Very Nice Work So Far...... I would of Built a Wall in the Back Round of your layout to Hide the Rock foundation of the house & built a Mountain scene & incorporated the Tunnel Portal into the Layout Design myself....

& I would also put in a YARD AREA as well since your into the building stage of your layout.. Most people building a Layout include an area to store there Trains & Rolling Stock & as well make it more fun in operating sessions because you can switch out rolling stock & make up other trains as well....

Keep up the good work....


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on March 30, 2014, 12:28:02 PM
Re: the TYCO crossing gate-I used to have one-did you replace the section of straight track that came with it or are you saying it came with nickel silver?  The reason I ask, is, to my knowledge, TYCO never produced n/s track-only steel and brass.  So if the crossing is stock and has not been modified, you may want to check to see if it is n/s by placing a magnet on the rails Wiley.

PS  And before the "S" curve police arrive, let me point out to you that it looks like you have one coming off the left handed snap switch that runs near the post, diverging to the interior of the layout.

Yes, the early Tyco crossing gates had a removable track section, very much like the older Bachmann crossing gates did. So I took advantage of that and replaced the brass track section with nickel-silver, to be consistent with the rest of the track there. Beginning around the mid-to-late 1970s, those Tyco crossing gates had the track built right onto it (likewise with similar crossing gates from Life-Like and Pemco; Bachmann still had a removable track section on their crossing gate until it was modified to work with E-Z Track.)

And I am aware of the S-curve, but in most cases I will slow the train down there as I go through, as it's often wise to slow down a train when it's traveling through a switch.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on March 30, 2014, 03:39:51 PM
Thanks for the info on the TYCO crossing gate.  It makes all the sense, mine was brass and built in, bought in the '70s time frame you mentioned.  Got fed up with the gate wiggling up and down while the train went through and it went out the trash bin.  Smart of you to replace the track with n/s.

Keep up the good progress!



Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: RAM on March 30, 2014, 03:46:50 PM
Since you can't remove the post without the house falling down.  Why not paint it like a grain elevator and the top part sky blue. 


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on March 30, 2014, 03:58:49 PM
He's close enough to Tom Silva's (This Old House) stomping grounds, he could probably have him over to figure out just how to remove the post w/o doing that!


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on March 30, 2014, 07:18:30 PM
& I would also put in a YARD AREA as well since your into the building stage of your layout.. Most people building a Layout include an area to store there Trains & Rolling Stock & as well make it more fun in operating sessions because you can switch out rolling stock & make up other trains as well....

Keep up the good work....

As a matter of fact, Stage 2 of the layout will have some sidings to make a small rail yard!

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Placing some of the buildings onto my layout now. I'll get around to weathering them soon.

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Finished another end of landscaping; there is only a little left on the first sheet of plywood now that needs to be decorated, along with the rest of the second sheet.

I have also now hooked the track and blocking control to my MRC Tech-4 280 power pack, along with wiring up two of the switches. I ran one of my locomotives on the completed loop on the original existing plywood and it worked pretty well.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on March 30, 2014, 07:29:10 PM

And I am aware of the S-curve, but in most cases I will slow the train down there as I go through, as it's often wise to slow down a train when it's traveling through a switch.

tue solution to that s curve problem is elegantly simple. a standard 18r curve has 30 degrees, the switch has 20 degrees which is why you needed a 1/3 18r section to equal that full 18r curve. thus, the switch itself is 20 degrees. by keeping the same track spacing, but using 2 of those 1/3 18r sections to equal that 20 degrees of the switch, you will have enough space to insert some straight track between those curves. you may have to custom cut a piece out of a full straight, but any straight you can put in between those curves will save you a world of grief. the best part is that you don't have to disturb any of the other trackage to correct this problem.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on March 30, 2014, 08:29:29 PM
...and the beauty of using this kind (sectional w/o roadbed) of track.  All you need is a piece of track and a pair of Xuron Track Cutters and walla, you have your custom piece of track :)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on April 01, 2014, 12:14:26 AM
Finally finished applying the landscaping (except ballast) to the original existing plywood!
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As you can see, it is already looking much better than the old layout.
Though once the landscaping on the second sheet of plywood is done, I still need to get some new buildings! Probably a mix of old and new (definitely some Plasticville!)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on April 02, 2014, 08:42:59 PM
Here's a few more updates...

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I am experimenting with ballast. Maybe once I vacuum up the excess stuff, it won't look as messy.

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Landscaping on the second sheet of plywood. There is going to be a farm on this side, too (I will be getting Plasticville barn and "farm building with animals" building kits.)

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Already adding some scenic details to the existing plywood section as well.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Steve Magee on April 03, 2014, 03:05:53 AM
Nice work. If I can make one suggestion, use a flexible steel ruler to shape the ballast to get those nice even edges we see on the prototype. But definitely, keep on scenecin'! :-)

Steve Magee
Newcastle NSW Aust


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on April 12, 2014, 12:11:11 AM
Update time again!

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I've done some more detailing on the layout.

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An entrance to Roundpost Junction!

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The Dickerson Station and Honest Larry's Cars are in business now!

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Life-Like Supply House in the background, with the Tyco Crossing Gate and Atlas Gateman Tower.

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Farm with apple orchard. I thought the Plasticville barn was going to be large, but it's in perfect scale!

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Trees growing around the tunnel.

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Tyco operating box car dump station and freight unloading depot, and Life-Like dumping station and lighted yard tower.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on April 12, 2014, 07:01:09 AM
It's certainly coming along Wiley.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on April 16, 2014, 11:10:12 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10255610_10201135869197113_1586654971635371222_n.jpg)
Just installed this Life-Like flashing light storage tank...

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...along with a Bachmann swimming pool for the Tyco Colonial House!

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Plasticville split-level house. I still need to paint the figures (I have to get more colors of paints, for that matter!)

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Grade crossing. It's not hooked up yet, as I need to get a good controller that's somewhat easy to use and will be DCC-compatible. The nonoperating plastic signal I will replace with a Griswold-style crossing signal (http://www.njinternational.com/Griswald-1.jpg)from NJ International.

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Another overview showing the new stuff...


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: trainmainbrian on April 17, 2014, 09:25:29 AM
WOW your railroad layout is coming along rather nicely... But one thing I would really do & I think it would ENHANCE your layout I would INSTALL a BACKDROP to cover the BASEMENT Foundation WALL's "NO Offence" but looking @ your railroad is REALLY nice but then you get VIEWS of the BASEMENTS wall's & it's like " YUCK ".... I am building my Railroad already into my 2nd year I am always thinking what CAN I HIDE or ENHANCE the looks of the AREA of MY RAILROAD.... For Example I put & built a Mountain Back round up to hide my BACK BASEMENT WALL & installed DROP CELING Tiles so whoever comes to see my railroad or operate on my layout wont see the floor Joist's above there head I also installed Low Light accent lighting so I don't have to have my BIG 4ft LAYOUT Lights on when I am running my trains I mainly use my big LAYOUT lights for when I am doing scenery & other layout work... Installed Carpet I did not want anyone seeing the "GRAY Basement Floor" I mean everyone is different is different incomes $$$$... But these are some of the stuff I did to my railroad.......


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: electrical whiz kid on April 17, 2014, 02:48:15 PM
I have a suggestion; especially for you young people with the imagination, exposure to several aspects of life that are good, and the strength of youth.  Instead of following theses "book" layouts that don't let you use the "I" word, and further, let you put some individual credibility to it?  This way, what you have put on board will be your own, your own uniqueness, etc.
Rich C.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on April 19, 2014, 10:48:53 PM
Here's another overview from another angle...

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A big update is that this layout is finally going to be DCC! I ordered a Bachmann E-Z Command controller pack that comes with a DCC-equipped BNSF GP40 locomotive, and I will soon order a second DCC locomotive (eyeing a Bachmann Santa Fe FT...) and then maybe upgrade a few of my other locomotives, except they aren't DCC-ready, so I'll need to learn to solder first...

I figured E-Z Command would be the best way to start out before I eventually move up to a higher-end system.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on April 24, 2014, 12:31:36 AM
Finally made the big upgrade to DCC!
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It arrived in the post right before I left for work, so I brought it inside, then opened it up after my shift and tried it out! Here's the locomotive it came with:
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I am actually impressed by it. It seems as detailed as a Bachmann Plus locomotive from the 1990s, but with a typical mid-range motor (sort of like the Model Power all-wheel drive can motors, but with a better chassis.) It runs very well anyways.
Plus, it's the first BNSF locomotive on my layout! (Though the BNSF is my main railroad on the layout, I have mostly used separate ATSF and BN locomotives prior to this.)

And for the heck of it, I also took this pic:
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Newer Bachmann GP40 next to its' 1980s equivalent! Sure has come a long way, hasn't it?

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My new control panel. The E-Z Command unit will only run the trains, so I pulled out a TYCO power pack (1970s style) for the switches and other AC accessories.) I'm keeping the MRC 280 power pack for if I ever need it again (and I'm sure I will, for any future DC runs and whatnot.)

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The train's all hooked up!

I'm going to do some more toying around with the system pretty soon, and I will also soon set up an electrically-isolated siding for running a DC locomotive on the layout as well.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jonathan on April 24, 2014, 07:26:10 AM
Watching your layout progress has brought up some fond memories of building a layout in my youth.  My Tyco power pack burned out decades ago.  Thanks for sharing with us!

Regards,

Jonathan


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on April 24, 2014, 10:12:53 AM
Wiley, I take it by your earlier comment about learning how to solder, to mean that you did not solder the rail joiners on your layout?  I bring this up bc rail joiners themselves often become poor conductors over time and when running DCC it is my understanding from all I have read that w/o uninterrupted continuity, you will have headaches running DCC.   


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on April 29, 2014, 11:51:58 PM
So far things have been running smoothly with my upgraded layout.

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An action shot.

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The old Roundpost Junction school house, which has been closed for a long time due to it being too small for public school standards. A new school building will be built in front of it, and the old school house will be reopened as an annex to the new building (it will be a Life-Like "Union Avenue School" building kit.) The playground equipment will also be moved.

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A grade crossing with Bachmann Plasticville crossing signals as a temporary setup. I will eventually replace them with working crossing signals of some sort.

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The downtown section again.

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A couple of structures on my layout that I fitted with lights. I will be illuminating a few more of my structures, to enhance the layout.

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Trying out some two-train action. The second train is powered by a Mantua Burlington Northen GP-20. I plan to soon get a second DCC locomotive (probably a Bachmann FT-A Santa Fe diesel.)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on April 30, 2014, 06:34:19 AM
Are you bummed over the news about Model Power?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on April 30, 2014, 10:02:02 AM
Are you bummed over the news about Model Power?

Yeah I heard; it does stink. I'm hoping someone else will pick up the Mantua line, like maybe Walthers. (I was thinking of getting a DCC Mantua GP-20.)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: RAM on April 30, 2014, 11:51:51 PM
You may still be able to find them in some hobby shop, or on ebay.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: RAM on April 30, 2014, 11:58:14 PM
Wiley, If you are going to put lights in your building, On the inside paint the out side wall black or some other dark color.  It will make a world of difference.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Doneldon on May 01, 2014, 06:33:37 AM
Wiley, If you are going to put lights in your building, On the inside paint the out side wall black or some other dark color.  It will make a world of difference.

Wiley-

You can also glue black construction paper to the insides of your structures. This is usually easier to do than painting the insides of structures after they've been built. Painting is the way to go pre-build. Put masking tape across the outside of any opening in the wall like windows and doors, and wrap around the edges if you plan to spray the black paint. That sure makes things go fast and it's nice to have structures which don't look like you have X-ray vision.
                                                                                                                                                                                                -- D


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on May 01, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
one thing i've noticed in your overview photos is that your entire layout is built on unsupported plywood sheets. do you intend on keeping it this way or building some support framework underneath. unsupported plywood has a tendency to warp and sag, which would quickly render your layout unusable.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 02, 2014, 12:12:07 AM
one thing i've noticed in your overview photos is that your entire layout is built on unsupported plywood sheets. do you intend on keeping it this way or building some support framework underneath. unsupported plywood has a tendency to warp and sag, which would quickly render your layout unusable.

I did put some supports under the plywood to keep it all at the same level, actually.

And RAM and Doneldon, with some of the buildings, I do paint the interiors of some buildings black so far when I plan to illuminate them. I also did that with my Life-Like flashing storage tank, as I wasn't too thrilled about how the whole tank would blink on and off. So I got out my black model paint, and now only the very top blinks like it's supposed to.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 03, 2014, 06:22:14 PM
Here's a few more updates!

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Life-Like Mt. Vernon Manufacturing Company building kit. It's designed in a modular way so you can build it any way you want; I just simply reversed how it appears on the box/stock photo.

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The new school campus! The front building is a Life-Like Union Avenue School building kit from the 1990s (it seems to have used the same mold as Life-Like's Mainline Station kit from the same era), and I put the Plasticville schoolhouse behind it for additional classroom space, and the playground in between.

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Late '70s Life-Like semaphore. It has the bulb in the bottom, and uses fiber-optics to light the indications, and has a lever for moving the banner. After this photo was taken, I wired it up and it is now active.

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Early '90s Tyco Chattanooga Choo-Choo locomotive, tender and rolling stock. The loco and tender are actually made by Mehano (it's a modified Mehano Mikado 2-8-2 that AHM/IHC used to offer), and it ironically runs much better than Tyco's own Chattanooga locomotives did (the way it's built and powered reminds me of a newer base-line Bachmann locomotive, with the weights and the can motor.) That second boxcar (red white and blue one) has one of those rollers with little rock-like materials that simulates a "chugging" sound when in motion, just like those older Lionel "chugging" tenders. Tyco made an electronic "chugging" boxcar in the '80s that was battery-operated and sounded more convincing (it had speed-synchronization too), and I am trying to find one of those to use.

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Yes, on my layout, steam and diesel locomotives run together!


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Joe323 on May 04, 2014, 09:16:29 PM
I like your layout very much and am looking forward to further updates.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 09, 2014, 07:37:06 PM
Some more updates, in time for tomorrow's National Train Day!

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This locomotive's body was a little beat, so I thought I'd swap it out with a different shell...

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Now it's been updated with the BNSF "Heritage" paint scheme! I may probably upgrade this one to DCC.

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Amtrak comes to the layout! The Amtrak Dash 8-32BWH in the "Pepsi Can" paint style of the early '90s is also a Walthers TrainLine locomotive. I'll probably upgrade this one to DCC as well. The passenger cars are mostly Life-Like, along with a Tyco coach.

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Train parked at the station.

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From another angle.

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Several of the locomotives in my current roster. So far only the BNSF GP40 is DCC-equipped. I plan to upgrade one of the Walthers GP9Ms, both Dash 8s and the Proto 1000 F3A. I'm also getting a Bachmann Plus Santa Fe Consolidation steam locomotive!


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on May 10, 2014, 04:21:34 PM
the trainline gp9ms are a pretty easy hardwire job. if you are handy with a soldering iron, you can install a decoder in under an hour.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 14, 2014, 11:26:51 PM
Got another DCC-equipped locomotive!

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Bachmann FTA Santa Fe Warbonnet diesel.

I also upgraded my Proto 1000 Santa Fe F3A loco with a TCS A4X decoder, and it so far works pretty well! (But I need to replace the bulb though...)
So now in total I have three DCC-equipped locomotives on my layout. Now I'll probably get set to work on upgrading my Walthers Trainline locomotives (need to get the decoders for them first!)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 15, 2014, 08:37:02 PM
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Showing some multiple-train action. My sidings are starting to come along; now I just need to buy another left-hand switch!


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 16, 2014, 11:50:12 PM
So I installed a Life-Like lighted bumper on a small siding...
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Griswold crossing signal! I'm planning on getting a controller/detector for this crossing (maybe a Logic Rail Tech "Grade Crossing Pro")...

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My newest locomotive: an early 1990s Bachmann Plus Santa Fe Consolidation steam locomotive and tender! It runs pretty well, and the smoke unit works pretty well, but I find it best to not let it sit still for long, because when run off a DCC unit it continues to smoke... is that bad for the locomotive or the layout?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Joe323 on May 17, 2014, 10:35:16 AM
Leaving a non dc equipped loco idling will burn out the motor eventually since it will overheat.  As to the smoke it will not damage the loco but it leaves an oily mess.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on May 17, 2014, 03:46:25 PM
smoke and dcc do not mix. you will find the smoke condenses on the rails and making operation on dcc erratic.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on May 17, 2014, 04:20:25 PM
smoke and dcc do not mix. you will find the smoke condenses on the rails and making operation on dcc erratic.

Agreed.

Smoke is, in general, a bad idea, DCC or straight DC.  It gets over everything and leaves a sticky film.  Besides, it's not even realistic looking, just a cheesy effect.

Cheers

Roger T.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 17, 2014, 06:49:01 PM
Leaving a non dc equipped loco idling will burn out the motor eventually since it will overheat.  As to the smoke it will not damage the loco but it leaves an oily mess.

Which is why I am going to add an electrically-isolated siding for that purpose!

As for the smoke, I imagine once the stuff is used up in the engine I won't add any more smoke liquid for some time...


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Doneldon on May 17, 2014, 07:23:46 PM
wiley-

I agree with the others that smoke is a bad idea except if you have some young children who would get a kick out of it. Even at that, I'd only use it very occasionally.

For clarification, I'm sure that Joe meant "Leaving a non-DCC equipped loco idling will burn out the motor eventually since it will overheat."i] Eventually [/i]should probably be interpreted as pretty soon.
                                                                    -- D


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 18, 2014, 12:30:39 AM
For clarification, I'm sure that Joe meant "Leaving a non-DCC equipped loco idling will burn out the motor eventually since it will overheat."i] Eventually [/i]should probably be interpreted as pretty soon.
                                                                    -- D

Yeah, that's what I figured. This is why I typically don't leave non-DCC locomotives on the layout, particularly now that I have three DCC-equipped locos to play with. BUT, I will have one of my sidings electrically isolated, so I can turn the power to it off and on, making it easy to park a non-DCC locomotive there! (I will be using an Atlas Connector, terminal rail joiner and insulated plastic joiner for this trick.)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on May 18, 2014, 12:42:10 AM
For clarification, I'm sure that Joe meant "Leaving a non-DCC equipped loco idling will burn out the motor eventually since it will overheat."i] Eventually [/i]should probably be interpreted as pretty soon.
                                                                    -- D

Yeah, that's what I figured. This is why I typically don't leave non-DCC locomotives on the layout, particularly now that I have three DCC-equipped locos to play with. BUT, I will have one of my sidings electrically isolated, so I can turn the power to it off and on, making it easy to park a non-DCC locomotive there! (I will be using an Atlas Connector, terminal rail joiner and insulated plastic joiner for this trick.)

A siding or a spur?  There is a major difference.

A siding is double connected and serves as a meeting place for trains and is named in the timetable.  It is a "running line".

A spur is a single connected track that serves an industry or as a single ended track in a yard.  It is not a "running line".


Cheers

Roger T.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 18, 2014, 06:01:28 PM
A siding or a spur?  There is a major difference.

A siding is double connected and serves as a meeting place for trains and is named in the timetable.  It is a "running line".

A spur is a single connected track that serves an industry or as a single ended track in a yard.  It is not a "running line".

Sometimes the source I'd read would refer a spur to a "siding," and then the above type would be a "passing siding."
But what I am planning to make is a spur (the electrically-isolated one.)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on May 18, 2014, 06:57:01 PM
A siding or a spur?  There is a major difference.

A siding is double connected and serves as a meeting place for trains and is named in the timetable.  It is a "running line".

A spur is a single connected track that serves an industry or as a single ended track in a yard.  It is not a "running line".

Sometimes the source I'd read would refer a spur to a "siding," and then the above type would be a "passing siding."
But what I am planning to make is a spur (the electrically-isolated one.)

Upon reflection, I have to agree.  Even prototype sources mix spur and siding as you noted.

Cheers

Roger T.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Joe323 on May 19, 2014, 01:28:39 PM
Yes eventually means pretty soon. I have 13 locos of which 7 are dcc equipped.  They operate the SIW The rest are shelf queens.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 22, 2014, 11:31:41 PM
I tried experimenting with an elevated track on my layout...

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While an interesting concept, it was rather cumbersome to try and fit on the layout anyways. I may revive it for any future layouts...

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I have now connected the two spurs to the rest of the track! One of them is electrically-isolated, using an Atlas Connector switch, terminal joiner and plastic insulating joiner. This way I can park a non-DCC locomotive on the layout with ease.
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Current overview.

I will also be getting another decoder to upgrade one of my Walthers TrainLine locomotives (the TCS T1.)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Br 98.75 on May 23, 2014, 02:22:40 AM
Speaking of smoke KM1 is doing awsome with the dynamic smoke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW0iGOSuVvg

Its only $4099.00 for those with that kind of money


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on May 23, 2014, 07:04:15 AM
I'll take 2 !! :D

Agree Wiley, elevations can be a pita and they can eat up a lot of layout space. But, they do add interest to the layout.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Jhanecker2 on May 23, 2014, 08:38:13 AM
I may have to stop in at Reynaulds next time I  drive through Elburn , IL . and take a look . They do have some  interesting stuff on display. John 2 .


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 26, 2014, 02:20:36 PM
OK, so I removed the smoke unit from the Consolidation, due to the advice I've gotten that smoke and HO DCC do not mix (even though the track is nickel-silver, it's better not to take chances.) I also did a bit of cleaning and lubing. BUT, the wheels are a little lose, and that can make for some inconsistent electrical contact. It was like this when I got it. I remember the old version of the Consolidation from the '70s and '80s had this problem, along with the older pancake-motor USRA 0-6-0 steam locomotive. Anyone have advice for this?

It also looks like it would be very tricky to put DCC in it anyways; I may just keep it as a non-DCC locomotive and park it on that isolated siding when not in use on my layout. But I plan to upgrade my Walthers TrainLine locomotives next, since they are rather easy in terms of hardwire DCC upgrades. (Was that their intention?)
Currently I have three DCC-equipped locomotives: the Bachmann BNSF GP40-2 that came with the E-Z Command controls, a Bachmann Santa Fe Warbonnet FT-A, and my Life-Like Proto 1000 Santa Fe F3-A (blue/yellow colors.) Not a bad start, if I say so myself.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Doneldon on May 26, 2014, 06:52:52 PM
wiley-

What do you mean by "loose?" Both prototype and model steam engine wheels and axles purposely have some slop built in to help them negotiate tight curves and irregular track. As long as the looseness isn't causing derailments, shorts or electrical continuity it's not a problem. In that case, the if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it rule applies. If the looseness is causing problems, please tell us what they are and perhaps one of us will have an idea for you.
                                                                                                                                                                                                             -- D


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 30, 2014, 10:31:38 PM
OK, I will leave it as it is. But anyway, here's a few more updates...

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Wild deer are now on the layout, too!

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TYCO Lighted Factory building from the 1970s.

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Nice shot of a couple of my trains from the control panel. Both of them are Bachmann locomotives!

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Action overview with the factory on the layout.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on June 01, 2014, 11:15:14 AM
Lookin good Wiley.

JH2, thanks for your response regarding the Titanic on the now Locked thread of "Locomotive Speed" under HO Discussions, but I knew all of that; saw all the movies, read the books, have even done papers on the Titanic.  Did you know  that Charles Lightoller actually used his own sailboat during the evacuation of Dunkirk to ferry British troops back to England?

But your response unfortunately did nothing to help me understand how the reference of the Titanic made by  ALCO001 related to the topic of the TYCO locomotive that runs faster backword than forward ???


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on June 04, 2014, 10:33:08 PM
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Life-Like Hotel building. This has been available since 1980. I bought the kit new from Walthers!

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A.H.M./TYCO Pizza Hut building!

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A nice shot of the town section of the layout.

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Getting in some more Amtrak action!
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Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Jhanecker2 on June 05, 2014, 06:38:01 PM
To  Jbrock27 : If  ALCO001's assessment of the cause of the problem is the slop in the bearings causing binding  and misalignment of the worm gear is the correct . It bespeaks of insufficient  design  and engineering in that section . It must also be said the Tyco  trains  were engineered  to the level of toys  and not to the level of  model railroad equipment . By the way , why was the  topic locked ?  I assume it was due to the fact that  it was not a "Bachmann Product" and that the original manufacturer  would have been unable to voice an opinion . Regarding  Dunkirk : the British Public worked miracles removing the British Expeditionary  Forces and other Foreign Troops from France with the use of their private boats ,   Weapons can always be replaced  but trained  combatants  are far harder to replace in a timely fashion . Generals  always  try to fight current  wars with the techniques  of their last engagements  whether they apply or not .  John2


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on June 05, 2014, 08:22:49 PM
JH2, I agree 100% with what you say about both TYCO trains and Dunkirk.  Most of the "other foreign troops" you reference, would be French troops, but not as many were evacuated, which led to some bitterness between England and France. If the connection between the Titanic and TYCO locos are insufficient design, then I also agree 100% and say I now understand why the reference was made.  Thanks for the clarification.
As far as the "locked"?  I have no idea why or what for, but since the manufacturer is long dead and buried, I am not sure what difference it would make that they have no opportunity to respond-they have no more market share at stake, unlike Bachmann.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on June 05, 2014, 10:40:56 PM
JH2, I agree 100% with what you say about both TYCO trains and Dunkirk.  Most of the "other foreign troops" you reference, would be French troops, but not as many were evacuated, which led to some bitterness between England and France. If the connection between the Titanic and TYCO locos are insufficient design, then I also agree 100% and say I now understand why the reference was made.  Thanks for the clarification.
As far as the "locked"?  I have no idea why or what for, but since the manufacturer is long dead and buried, I am not sure what difference it would make that they have no opportunity to respond-they have no more market share at stake, unlike Bachmann.

Going waaaaay off topic here but vast majority the French troops evacuated to the UK were sent back to France.   More than 100,000 evacuated French troops were quickly and efficiently shuttled to camps in various parts of southwestern England, where they were temporarily lodged before being repatriated.  British ships ferried French troops to Brest, Cherbourg, and other ports in Normandy and Brittany, although only about half of the repatriated troops were deployed against the Germans before the surrender of France. For many French soldiers, the Dunkirk evacuation represented only a few weeks' delay before being killed or captured by the German army after their return to France.

Of the French soldiers evacuated from France in July 1940, only about 3,000 joined Charles de Gaulle's Free French army in London.

Cheers

Roger T.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on June 05, 2014, 10:43:15 PM
It must also be said the Tyco  trains  were engineered  to the level of toys  and not to the level of  model railroad equipment .

Also keep in mind, Bachmann's trains used to be like that as well. In the 1970s and 1980s, Bachmann and TYCO products could be considered a joke compared to higher-quality stuff from Athearn, Atlas, Walthers, etc. (No surprise, since Bachmann and TYCO used to dominate the consumer HO model train market during that period!) Fortunately, Bachmann then came out with the Spectrum line, and then the Plus and Silver Series, and then they updated their base line with better-quality motors and bodies to make their locomotives less toy-like (though I do have a newer BNSF caboose that does have the old-style plastic wheels.)

But why don't you save the whole "French troops" thing for PMs or something, guys?  :)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on June 06, 2014, 07:05:07 AM
Bachmann trains certainly were like that Wiley, I agree with you.  Don't forget Life Like and A.H.M. during that time period as well.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on June 08, 2014, 11:20:08 PM
Some more updates...

Got another Center St. series building kit for the layout:
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The Miracle Furniture Company store! This one is branded by TYCO, and has a small hole in the bottom so I can feed a light bulb through it (I'm thinking of illuminating the interior.)

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Did some weathering to the TYCO Piggyback loader/unloader. It did make it appear a bit more realistic...

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The school is still in session for two more weeks, after which it will let out for summer vacation! (I will temporarily remove the school bus, and move the figures to different parts of the layout, until September.)

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New motive power meets old! (Both are Bachmann, for those who don't know already.) That Bachmann Plus Consolidation steam engine I will probably not bother to install DCC in, as it doesn't even have any wiring!


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on June 19, 2014, 11:40:30 PM
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Life-Like Car Wash building. Atlas now offers this, but I went with the Life-Like version as it was a cheaper buy :D

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Walthers Trainline GP9M locomotive. It may not look totally realistic, but I like it because it kind of has a 1970s/1980s feel to it, but with a much better motor and drive (the exterior kind of reminds me of TYCO's old Santa Fe GP20.)

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And here's a more "prototypical" Walthers Trainline locomotive. Note how this Dash 8-40BW has "SANTA FE" on the front but "BNSF" on the sides. This is supposed to represent an ex-ATSF "Superfleet" locomotive that had been updated to reflect the BNSF merger by simply painting over "Santa Fe" on the sides with "BNSF." (Sometimes the front would have its' logo updated as well.) Some railfans refer to these as the "Fakebonnets," and some locomotives like this are still in use today.
This is somewhat more upscale than the GP9M; it has a reversing headlight and a dual-flywheel motor. I plan to install a TCS T1 decoder in it to upgrade it to DCC.
I will say this: I'm a little miffed off at how Walthers discontinued the Dash 8-40BWs in the early 2000s. They may not have been as well-detailed as Bachmann, Atlas or Athearn's upscale equivalents (the detail is more similar to a current lower-end Bachmann model), but they are great runners, and a decent affordable way to have "modern" diesel power on your layout that would work with 18-radius curves (if I'm not mistaken, the Dash 8-40B and Amtrak's Dash 8-32BWH are the only eight-wheeled locomotives in GE's Dash series.)

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Now I am running three trains on my layout! Since the BNSF Dash 8-40BW is not DCC-equipped yet, I park that train on my isolated siding when not in use.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on June 25, 2014, 08:29:50 PM
Here's a neat accessory from Life-Like...
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Operating gravel unloader. Back when it was released in the 1970s, it was called "Bob's Dumping Station." Today Life-Like only includes this in their "Freightline U.S.A." train set.
Uniquely, the "gravel" that came with it is bits of REAL gravel! Talk about authenticity...

I also performed a DCC hardwire upgrade on my Walthers Trainline BNSF Dash 8-40BW...
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Progress photo. In lieu of a soldering iron, I used "Wire Glue," as I learned that it's a good solder substitute from some model railroaders.

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I used a TCS T1 decoder, since this locomotive comes with a reversing headlight. Works pretty well, too, but the electrical contact is a little funny. But it was like that when I got it. I guess the wheels need extensive cleaning...
I programmed it as "6" on the E-Z Command controller. My other DCC locomotives are numbered "2," "4" and "5", which brings up to four DCC locos in my roster now!
I will be getting another T1 decoder to install in my Amtrak Dash 8 locomotive, as well as a TCS MC2 decoder to put in my second Proto 1000 F3A locomotive. (I will assign it the same address as my other Proto 1000 F3A, if I ever want to do a double-header unit.)

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Current overview.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on June 25, 2014, 08:55:10 PM
You'll have to let us know how the Wire Glue works over time.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on June 26, 2014, 08:06:12 AM
i've noticed you have a tendency to take shortcuts. it is better to do it right the first time. learn how to solder, and you won't have problems with your decoder install.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on June 27, 2014, 11:43:20 PM
i've noticed you have a tendency to take shortcuts. it is better to do it right the first time. learn how to solder, and you won't have problems with your decoder install.

It actually worked for me. I just need to let the wire glue set after applying it for an hour or two, and it bonds it pretty well. I plan to also do this installation by that method as well...
http://www.tcsdcc.com/Customer_Content/Installation_Pictures/HO_Scale/Life_Like/Proto_1000_F3A_alternate/Proto_1000_F3A_alternate.html
(I got a second ATSF Proto 1000 F3A locomotive, with a different road number.)

But besides that, time for some more updates!

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TYCO Operating Pipe Loader (second version, made from 1982 to 1993.)

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TYCO Machine Shop building. This was manufactured by Pola in Germany, and for a while after the TYCO train line's demise, IHC offered it. (TYCO sold it from 1977 to 1992.)

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Three trains, rearin' and ready to go! The Bachmann Plus Consolidation steam locomotive is analog, and thus is on the isolated siding. The other two locomotives pictured are DCC-equipped, as you may know by now.

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I also bought one of those Life-Like SceneMaster "Scene Essentials" sets, the farm one, to enhance the small farm on my layout. Only problem is, nowhere to put the crops!

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The school has let out for the summer! I will probably temporarily disconnect the light until September (unless they decide to keep them on during the day to protect from burglary, or if fix-ups or renovations are occurring!)

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Two kids preparing to camp out in their backyard. (The family dog came to join too!)

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Overview from another angle.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Doneldon on June 28, 2014, 01:42:27 AM
Re: The wire glue

I have some of this but I haven't had occasion to try it yet. I'm wondering if anyone
has tested for resistance across a glued joint. Or if anybody has noticed and heat at a
glued joint. If no one has any info on this I just might run a test of my own.
                                                                                                                   -- D


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on September 07, 2014, 11:59:15 AM
Hey; it's been a while, but I have some more updates! I've been busy this summer, but now I've had some more time to get back to my model train layout (as the recent Walthers sales flyer said, autumn is not only when kids go back to school, it's when model railroaders go back to their layouts!)

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Pola/TYCO/IHC Exxon gas station! This is the IHC version offered in the 1990s.

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Life-Like 50" Union Pacific boxcar I bought off eBay, with Kadee knuckle couplers and metal wheels!

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This school is back in session!

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TYCO Baby Ruth boxcar.

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TYCO Burger King building kit! A.H.M. also used to offer this from 1984-1986, and then TYCO from 1986-1990. I might put some kind of glazing glass/plastic in the windows though, to make it look more realistic, and pave a road for the back entrance to the drive-thru. The reason I put it near the TYCO crossing gate is to mirror the location of a Burger King in Bridgewater, MA.

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One of my current freight train roster lineups, with two ATSF "Shock Control" boxcars (one Life-Like, one TYCO) and two TYCO piggyback trailer cars.

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Rail yard shot. I'm also getting another Bachmann DCC locomotive soon, and I'll also be upgrading my Walthers Amtrak "Pepsi Can" Dash 8 with a DCC decoder as well.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Doneldon on September 07, 2014, 10:03:29 PM
Wiley-

It looks like you really enjoy your model railroad. Good for you!

                                                                                     -- D


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Irbricksceo on September 08, 2014, 11:39:32 AM
Looks nice! I'm loving the retro theme here.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on September 17, 2014, 09:25:21 PM
A little auto-carrier train, hauled by a modified Bachmann Santa Fe "Warbonnet" GP40-2 equipped with DCC.
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I would've also gotten a Bachmann tri-level auto carrier car, but IDK how well it would perform on the layout due to its size, compared to the TYCO and Life-Like auto carriers seen here. TYCO's was first offered in the late 1960s, and was still made until 1993 (though beginning after 1986, it would only be included in train sets), and Life-Like's version was first made in 1982 and is still available today (but it still comes with X2F couplers. D'oh!) The Bachmann tri-level auto carrier seen here...
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It first came out in 1976, and I believe was discontinued some time in the mid-1990s, when Bachmann began to cut back on operating accessories (too bad, I'd love to see a version of this come out with metal wheels and E-Z Mate couplers! Maybe Bachmann will see this and get the idea  ;D )

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Showing several of the illuminated components of my layout!

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Rare TYCO 50th anniversary boxcar! (Though this was actually supposed to be celebrating Mantua's 50th anniversary, not TYCO, but then again TYCO started out as a division of Manuta...)
Now why didn't Bachmann try something similar?!

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Tried relocating the Atlas water tower near the Plasticville Suburban Station.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: gehdoc97 on September 17, 2014, 10:48:14 PM
I like the new design especially the way you incorporated the horizontal siding to use an existing switch.

My new design is somewhat similar to yours without the horizontal spur and the 90deg side panel.

Good luck on the design and have fun working it all out - like to see some pics of the finished layout or work in progress
if you can too.  I am going to put a layer of 1" insulation foam on my benchwork to help deaden the sound, paint over it
and then while the paint dries sprinkle on landscape grasses etc.

HAVE FUN!

gehdoc97


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on September 21, 2014, 08:10:07 PM
Some more updates!

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My attempt at a gravel driveway for the TYCO Lighted Ranch House, due to the slightly raised base that the house is on. It does look nicer that way...

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Life-Like Snap-Loc commuter station. Since I now have two (one of them the elevated version) I thought I'd use the non-elevated version on my layout, removing the Power-Loc tab that goes on the bottom.

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My TYCO 50th Anniversary boxcar now has E-Z Mate knuckle couplers to allow it for easy layout use.

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Currently I'm using it on this small train, that has both of my auto carriers! And yes, that Santa Fe GP40 is DCC-equipped!

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I also just installed a TCS T1 DCC decoder into this Walthers Amtrak Dash-8 locomotive! So now I have six DCC-equipped locomotives for use on my layout.

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The full Amtrak train, now powered by DCC!

A word of note when installing a TCS T1 decoder into the Walthers Dash 8...
http://www.tcsdcc.com/Customer_Content/Installation_Pictures/HO_Scale/Walthers/GE_Dash_8-40BW/Walthers%20Trainline%20GE%20Dash%208-40BW.html

When it comes to the motor pick-up wires, you must solder the red wire to the gray one, and the blue one to the orange one, instead of the other way around as shown in the pic. When you do that, it will mess up the direction of the locomotive on a layout, at least when you're using a Bachmann E-Z Command system.

At this rate, it'll soon be time for me to get the E-Z Command booster!


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on September 26, 2014, 11:09:44 PM
For those curious, this is my current roster of locomotives for layout use...

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The six in the front row are all DCC-equipped.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: clan line 35028 on September 27, 2014, 03:44:30 PM
I found that buying the cheaper DC locomotives and upgrading them to DCC tends to actually be a bit more costly in the long run. 30 of my locomotives are still DC but all together cost me the same as to buy the New Atherns Genise SD-70 Alaska Railroad with sound and DCC. the other locomotives do not have as much good looks to them as the new SD-70. same with my passenger stock. instead of buying regular passenger coaches i have bought walthers proto coaches and on my British line some Hornby Oriental Express coaches with lights and full interior.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: clan line 35028 on September 27, 2014, 04:11:23 PM
my pullmans feature Merchant Navy 35028 Clan Line, 1st class kitchen Minerva, 1st class parlour Onyx, 3rd class Parlour NO 97, 1st class Parlour Leona, 1st class Kitchen Adiran and 3rd class brake NO 65. the train measures 74 1/4 inches from buffer to buffer.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on September 27, 2014, 05:27:45 PM
my pullmans feature Merchant Navy 35028 Clan Line, 1st class kitchen Minerva, 1st class parlour Onyx, 3rd class Parlour NO 97, 1st class Parlour Leona, 1st class Kitchen Adiran and 3rd class brake NO 65. the train measures 74 1/4 inches from buffer to buffer.

Actually, to accurately model a BR(S) steam era Pullman train, you need two brakes, one on each end of the train.  You should also marshal one the kitchens between the 1st class parlour cars as that's how it was done with the other kitchen car next to the 2nd class cars.  Remember, on Pullman trains in the UK there were no dining cars, passengers were served at their seats so the kitchen cars need to be placed so as to give convenient access for the waiters to the passengers.

Here's a typical formation of the Bournemouth Belle from around 1950 until near the end of steam.  Sometimes, an Ex SR eight wheels GUV would be added to the front of the formation for passenger luggage.

Car No. 95  Third Class   Brake Parlour
Car No. 60  Third Class   Kitchen Car
Car No. 32  Third Class   Kitchen Car
Car No. 35  Third Class   Parlour Car
Car No. 34  Third Class   Parlour Car
Philomel    First Class         Kitchen Car
Lydia            First Class         Kitchen Car
Rosemary    First Class         Parlour Car   
Car No. 31  Third Class   Kitchen Car
Car No. 94  Third Class   Brake Parlour

For our North America  viewers, in the UK a "Pullman" was not a sleeper, it was an extra fare "luxury" passenger car with dining and alcohol service at your seat, not in a dining or club car.

Cheers

Roger T.



Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: clan line 35028 on September 27, 2014, 06:13:00 PM
yea i have not been able to get another brake car yet. but then how many americans model British railways and so forth. your railway does look awesome except why did you not use cork roadbed?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on September 27, 2014, 08:53:46 PM
yea i have not been able to get another brake car yet. but then how many americans model British railways and so forth. your railway does look awesome except why did you not use cork roadbed?

I don't use cork roadbed in yards, I lay the track directly onto Homasote ("Donnacona" in Canada).  I use cork outside yards as that's more realistic for open country road bed.  If I need drainage ditches in yards, I carve them into the Homasote.

Cheers

Roger T.



Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on September 28, 2014, 08:39:36 AM
I found that buying the cheaper DC locomotives and upgrading them to DCC tends to actually be a bit more costly in the long run. 30 of my locomotives are still DC but all together cost me the same as to buy the New Atherns Genise SD-70 Alaska Railroad with sound and DCC.

clan, I'd like to see your math on that.  (And it's Athearn Genesis ;))


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Irbricksceo on September 28, 2014, 11:37:33 AM
Well, for one, sound is a big expense. But I think you need to look at the value of said Locomotives first. I could go buy an assortment of old Tyco Locomotives now for less than a new one, sure, but they wont run as well.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on September 28, 2014, 12:51:14 PM
Brick, not sure exactly what you are stating here, but in the category of "cheaper locomotives" (diesels as pictured), I hope you are not trying to compare some diesel loco made by TYCO, which is indeed the definition of cheap, to a lessor expensive or "cheaper" if you will, in cost loco such as an old Athearn, old Atlas old P2K or current Walthers Trainline or P1K locos.  Buying cheaper does not necessarily mean buying cheap, if you get my drift.  I personally would never bother putting DCC in a TYCO diesel.  The others?  Yes.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on September 28, 2014, 07:23:48 PM
Yes, I would not put DCC in a TYCO diesel. Not only would it be kind of tedious, but I don't plan to run TYCO or early Bachmann diesels on my layout. I do have a few as collectibles, but that's pretty much why I buy them.

My locomotives for layout use are generally modern Bachmann (as well as any Bachmann Plus/Silver Series engines from the '90s), Walthers TrainLine, Life-Like Proto 1000 (some are now sold as Walthers MainLine or Proto locomotives), newer Mantua (now sold by MRC), and probably Athearn as well in the near future. A good Bachmann example:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3006/2857123802_022b4126fb_o.jpg)
This Bachmann Consolidation steam locomotive. It has nice detailing, and can often be found on eBay. But it has a cheap pancake motor, two of the wheelsets have traction tires, the tender has plastic wheels, etc. In 1992, they upgraded it to a "Bachmann Plus" locomotive, replacing the crappy pancake motor with a much better 5-pole motor with a worm-gear flywheel, and it also had all-wheel drive, and the tender had a body-mounted coupler and metal wheels added. I obviously went with the latter, as I wanted the higher-quality version for my layout. (But I removed the smoke unit among learning that it would be bad for the rails.)

One thing I like about Bachmann is how many locomotives they had in the 1970s and 1980s are still available today as much improved models.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Joe323 on September 28, 2014, 09:31:51 PM
Bachmann locos are fine but I would tend to lean toward the sound value line at the very least as I think 5th soundtraxx decoders are much better than standard line.

Anyway I like the way your layout is processing Wiles however I am wondering 2 things

First do plan on ballast in your track and second have you thought about putting a back drop?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on September 28, 2014, 10:19:30 PM
Anyway I like the way your layout is processing Wiles however I am wondering 2 things

First do plan on ballast in your track and second have you thought about putting a back drop?

I DID ballast the track in some areas. But maybe I'll do other areas too.
I'm also thinking about a backdrop as well...


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: clan line 35028 on September 29, 2014, 12:40:43 AM
just our of curiosity. have you thought about adding street lights in the city yet?
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Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Joe323 on September 29, 2014, 06:39:20 AM
I thought you had Ballasted some areas. Anyway you enjoy your layout and keep us posted.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on October 09, 2014, 11:03:51 PM
Some more updates!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1499469_10201981108807575_1519574651084138089_n.jpg?oh=90097f58327de107607c6d58656740fe&oe=54CA0B49&__gda__=1421330800_b6c5c0abb6bbcb438146917f4851fb26)
Just working on re-arranging the structures and fences along that area. Might also get a "real" farmhouse building kit for the farm (maybe the Pola/AHM/Tyco/IHC/Walthers one...)

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Bachmann Gandy Dancer handcar! It does have a little trouble running on certain areas, but generally I treat it like an analog/non-DCC locomotive.

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I now have a second locomotive for my main BNSF freight train! It's a DCC-equipped Bachmann Santa Fe GP38-2. I've set it to the same address as the BNSF GP40 to allow for double-header operation.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10659287_10202010384019437_5299259956624123501_n.jpg?oh=2e9ac94d77834ef05237496c2b94fc3f&oe=54C18821&__gda__=1421052020_d3c7501b18a479051c9b0e383e6dd914)
I upgraded a few of my TYCO rolling stock pieces with Intermountain metal wheels. It makes quite a difference in traction! I hope to upgrade more soon.

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10509578_10202010919992836_6561580142647140175_n.jpg?oh=b94f718e74d18d04d7f85897a362f237&oe=54BA162C)
Since I love the look of trees in September and October, I thought I'd get some more autumn-colored trees, from Woodland Scenics and Life-Like. On my layout, these stay year round!

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"Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!"
I had gotten these new Walthers Scenemaster figures of elementary school students today, and since two of them were in a fighting position, I couldn't resist! Man, do I not miss seeing that during my days of public school...

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I also now have a light in my Plasticville Suburban Station!

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Just a couple pieces of Walthers TrainLine rolling stock I recently acquired. The BN tank care I got today (same Walthers order that included the school kids figures.) They're pretty similar to Bachmann's current line of rolling stock (which dates back to at least 1996, when the "Silver Series" came out.)

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Overview of the yard section of my layout.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on October 10, 2014, 07:14:01 AM
I like Walthers Trainline rolling stock.  But, I do not like the plastic pins they use to hold the trucks in place.  But, there is a very easy fix for ditching the pins and replacing them.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: stationmaster12 on October 10, 2014, 11:21:06 AM
I'm really enjoying the pics of you layout! I love that you run what you have and you make it all work. I say this because I get caught up on the  "discipline" of making sure it's realistic and prototypical. Your layout inspires me to "loosen up" and just enjoy my trains! Thank you so much for sharing your railroad with us.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on November 01, 2014, 09:12:07 PM
Some updates, including a new locomotive!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p417x417/10527662_10202051191439597_7268591662114755700_n.jpg?oh=f7fd04bf608f6a028ae7e51abade0a9c&oe=54DE3033&__gda__=1425577932_2c8e2efb70ad3b04ca3d9d191824aaaf)
Mehano/IHC 2-8-2 Mikado in Santa Fe livery. This is the later version that had an improved flywheel motor, and the tender even had a knuckle coupler as default! (No having to do a coupler upgrade among getting it; yippee!) I wound up removing the front wheels though, as they were derailing on the turnouts, making it somewhat like some Mikados that were re-purposed for switcher use in real life. Very nice runner though! This was sold in IHC's "Premier" series. It's not DCC-ready, and though an upgrade is possible, I don't plan to put a decoder in it for the time being.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10639351_10202070475801694_6143237210976467357_n.jpg?oh=95db0fd797d98209472ed116c56e5709&oe=54F2AB3F&__gda__=1425093673_2e9b3df92c7b9df4067f50edcb38f82b)
My Life-Like Proto 1000 F3A. As I said, these are also very nice runners, and this one is also DCC-equipped. Think of these as being Life-Like's answer to the Bachmann Plus and Silver Series lines. I think Walthers is bringing these back in the Walthers Proto line really soon (if they haven't already.)

(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10414491_10202090927792981_8122406635428981505_n.jpg?oh=81a550a9110f20d9b45c1ca5ba8a1fbd&oe=54DB3455)
Check out these two streamlined cupola cabooses. On the right is the classic TYCO version (upgraded with metal wheels and knuckle couplers by yours truly.) On the left is the later version made by Mehano and often sold by IHC (and included in later TYCO train sets.) This one also has metal wheels, but they were upgraded by the seller (bought it off eBay from ggnlars, the seller that often sells older rolling stock upgraded with metal wheels and knuckle couplers.)

(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10698580_10202051191479598_6065317996977874290_n.jpg?oh=7972eb4040065261c92a45250c32d1e6&oe=54D997A2)
I also now have the TYCO lighted signal crossing set up on my layout, replacing the TYCO signal man. Sure, the lights do alternate rather fast, but it's MUCH better than Bachmann's old "dual crossing gates with flashing lights and bell" from the '80s and '90s! (No motor noise, as the bell is clockwork-operated, triggered by a pressure sensor like the kind on Bachmann and TYCO's crossing gates.)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/559550_10202090984674403_4598833837936877394_n.jpg?oh=76c4d2d86e066ea07f871c22729786a2&oe=54EBC857&__gda__=1424331915_f87ea703013761bddee7512b5d4143c2)
These two trains look straight out of the 1940s or 1950s!


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Irbricksceo on November 01, 2014, 09:51:29 PM
Looks great. I think that your layout really captures one of the essences of the hobby, having fun. There are those that would complain about the lack of super detailing, I am not one. I love how your layout looks and I love the excitement you seem to have about it! Glad you are having fun.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Doneldon on November 02, 2014, 04:20:49 AM
Wiley-

You always have something new. Will you ever run out of space?

Your streamlined cabooses aren't actually streamlined. That's just the industrial look the Pennsylvania Railroad adopted. I think there were a few eastern railroads which had some financial overlap with the Pennsy also used them. I'm pretty sure they weren't ever used by the Santa Fe but they do look kind of cool with the bright red color.
                                                                              -- D


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on November 02, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
those tyco cabin cars are loosely based n the pennsy n8 class. the n8 was a center cupola design, and lacked the small side windows, but the other main features of an n8 are all there, the rolled roof, the streamlined cupola, the rectangular side windows, and the extended side walls on the end platform. in fact, by cutting the tyco cabin apart and reassembling it with a centered cupola and the rectangular side windows spaced towards the ends you could come up with a passable model of an n8. this is how pennsy fans who couldn't afford brass made them before bowser came out with their n8.

doneldon, the cabins you are thinking of that were on other lines were based off the earlier n5, which had the rolled roof but a squared cupola. new haven and boston & maine both had them.

(http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/photos/Request-Gallery/PRR%20N8%20E18689%20478120%20800x.jpg)

pennsy n8 cabin, courtesy of bill's pennsy photos


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on November 03, 2014, 12:45:01 AM
Wiley-

You always have something new. Will you ever run out of space?

Your streamlined cabooses aren't actually streamlined. That's just the industrial look the Pennsylvania Railroad adopted.

Yeah, I don't have much space for new buildings now.
As for the cabooses, the 1970s TYCO catalogs call them "streamlined."  ::)

Well, I went to a model train show and picked up some good stuff today, including my first Proto 2000 locomotive!
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Those who say Life-Like is cheap apparently was not including the Proto locomotives. Look at all that detail! It's even DCC-ready! (I just need to find the right decoder to plug into it... would a Bachmann decoder work?)
I also got an older Athearn SW-9 diesel, also in Santa Fe colors (naturally.)
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10801797_10202129416795182_1685143878629915841_n.jpg?oh=2d7524d175a1e18dfbbbec15844f046d&oe=54DD1E73)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10606518_10202129416875184_1880329552081793637_n.jpg?oh=e396d21db5bf5a28be64cd8ee7562fbc&oe=54AD69EF&__gda__=1420626937_aede80bb88cf6d0443ce95572f47e175)
TYCO Tru-Steel lighted bumper track section from the late '70s or early '80s. I think Bachmann should make a lighted version of their Hayes bumpers; they're especially handy when you have an isolated siding so you can know whether it's powered on or not. (I know Atlas also used to make lighted bumpers, and Life-Like currently makes steel and nickel-silver versions for conventional track. I'm not sure if MRC will bring back Model Power's lighted bumpers though.)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on November 08, 2014, 10:14:48 PM
A few more updates!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10423306_10202153516677664_1963592041697437516_n.jpg?oh=20a3163d13605d02881b5bb410f54cec&oe=54ECFB10&__gda__=1423797615_6d5c5f4ff2fab539f506b5ea061998e8)
What's a layout with classic operating accessories without a log dump car? This is TYCO's version, made from 1968 to 1982, which operates electrically via remote control (like Lionel's version.) Mine is dated from at least 1978.

(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1512373_10202153516637663_6941876821962338133_n.jpg?oh=07507b6fe9c2a705fd00336c2bb62381&oe=54EFDE7D)
A few of my current train consists.

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I removed that small siding that wasn't getting any use; plus it made for a cumbersome arrangement at the railroad crossing there. I'm going to get a couple of crossing signal controllers from Logic Rail Tech, and power a couple of my crossings this way (the one pictured, and another one using Model Power crossing signals.)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1513899_10202153788804467_5029543168745230790_n.jpg?oh=1faf64b50f6e68acc81126566c7a785b&oe=54F2CCA8&__gda__=1428188664_89a4bc407d87dee754ad6e2b27b10c49)
I got a new Life-Like Town Church building kit too! The old church was looking pretty crummy, like an old run-down building (it was one of the first building kits I attempted to assemble myself as a kid), so I figured it was due for a replacement. It's just the right kind of church for my community.

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TYCO traffic light I just installed on my layout. I don't know if I'll wire it up yet, but it does look pretty cool. It even has a metal mast! I believe it has a small blinking incandescent bulb in it; it wouldn't actually sequence like a real traffic light.

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Overview of the layout with that small siding removed.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Desertdweller on November 08, 2014, 10:33:35 PM
Wiley,

I just want to tell you how much I enjoy looking at your railroad.  It reminds me of the HO railroad I had in the late 60's-early 70's.  Yours is much more developed.

This was a sort of "golden era" of HO railroading.  Good variety of products at a low cost, even for those days.

Les


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on November 09, 2014, 01:04:15 AM
Wiley,

I just want to tell you how much I enjoy looking at your railroad.  It reminds me of the HO railroad I had in the late 60's-early 70's.  Yours is much more developed.

This was a sort of "golden era" of HO railroading.  Good variety of products at a low cost, even for those days.

Les

And other than Athearn, most of it was, how to put this kindly?  Lacking in quality?

Cheers

Roger T.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: James in FL on November 09, 2014, 03:01:09 AM
I’ve been following this thread Wiley.
Thanks for the pics.

I love the nostalgia look of your layout.

It’s good stuff.



Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Doneldon on November 09, 2014, 03:55:41 AM
And other than Athearn, most of it was, how to put this kindly?  Lacking in quality?CheersRoger T.

Roger-

Your comment is anything but kindly.

We all know that you are a focused, detail-oriented, prototypical modeler, but that doesn't make you special or give you the right to make nasty comments about someone else's model railroading interests. The worst part is that your comment reveals that you knew your statement was out of line and yet you did it anyway!

You know, people could make fun of you as a rivet counter. Although I know such comments are often worn, ironically, as a badge of honor, I'll wager that you wouldn't appreciate the slight or the malice behind it. I'm happy that you enjoy how you participate in this hobby but I'm equally happy that Wiley enjoys his pike, too. In fact, Wiley's enthusiasm suggests he enjoys model railroading at least as much as anybody and more than most. Judging from your chronically sour, condescending attitude, he's getting something out of our shared hobby that seems to be eluding you.

Please don't try to weasel out of what you wrote. Your put-down and intent are obvious. You need to acknowledge your arrogance and apologize to Wiley.
                                 -- D


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on November 09, 2014, 09:12:18 AM
well said doneldon.

wiley may not do things the way I would but neither does roger. the big difference is that wiley is too busy havng fun to put down others with comments that are not constructive.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 09, 2014, 09:24:39 AM
I agree with Doc and Jeff.  It gets old and tiresome ole boy ::)

I would also add that Atlas was around at that time as well as being quality.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Jerrys HO on November 09, 2014, 10:29:07 AM
As said in the last two posts.....
VERY WELL SAID, my hats off to you D.
I don't visit much here for a couple of reasons, one, me and my son are doing R/C cars right now, two, for the reason that was just given.
I still have my layout up and ready to go back to. I love trains but do not have all the knowledge of the railways most of you have. So my layout is built to what I like not a prototypical era.
Although Wiley's layout is a lot of old stuff, he has done a remarkable job with it. I think he should stand proud for what he accomplished.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on November 09, 2014, 11:08:52 AM
It's also worth noting that back in the '60s and early '70s, TYCO's locomotives were pretty decent. They had good motors (the diesels typically had Mantua's MU-2 drive) and could be solid runners. Only when TYCO was sold to Consolidated Foods Company and they came out with that crummy PowerTorque motor was when they began to go downhill. (From the mid '70s onward, TYCO's locomotives were a lot like the older Bachmann ones from the '70s and '80s, if not worse.) But they still offered a bunch of cool accessories and building kits, and quite a bit of their rolling stock looked cool too. Had I been running a model railroad in the late '70s or early '80s, I probably would've started with a Bachmann or TYCO set like that, but eventually get a better-quality locomotive for it, very much like with my model railroading.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Desertdweller on November 09, 2014, 11:10:03 AM
Those 45 year old HO items may be crude by today's standards (horn-hook couplers, passenger cars without interiors, etc.).  But they were affordable, and worked well enough for me.

More importantly, they made the difference for a broke college student like I was between having an HO railroad that provided many hours of creativity and enjoyable operation, and no model railroad at all.

There seemed to be a bigger price difference back then between trainset quality items and high quality brass imports.  Nothing to fill in the gap between them.

Back then, my 4x6 ft. HO railroad had about $150 1970 dollars tied up in it.  About the price of a single top-shelf non-DCC locomotive today.  A nickel-plated brass HO E5 back then (Hallmark) sold for about the same price as an N-scale plastic E5 today (Kato).  I'll never know how well the Hallmark model performed, but I do know the Kato version performs very well.  If I had the attitude that "only the finest is good enough", I maybe could have bought one state-of-the art loco, but would have had no train for it to pull, nor anything to run it on.  So why bother?

Les


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 09, 2014, 11:20:23 AM
I feel very fortunate to be able to say, that I was lucky in that I avoided throwing any $$ away on TYCO or Bachmann locos from the '70s and '80s.  $$ was tight then and a shame to have wasted it on such products.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Desertdweller on November 09, 2014, 02:58:02 PM
jbrock,

If the product performs up to expectations, it is not a waste of money.  Tyco was a continuation of the Mantua line of HO trains, a well-established brand. Their locomotives were smooth running and quiet with an acceptable speed range.

The major problem I had with Tyco was that their couplers were truck-mounted.  While they would operate well with each other, they had problems operating with Athearn stock, which used body-mounted couplers.
It took me quite a while to understand why.

The Tyco Diesels back then used a self-contained power truck.  They didn't have the pulling power of the Athearns, but they were plenty sufficient for short trains on a small layout.

My model trains back then were mostly a mix of Tyco and Athearn.  I had some AHM-branded Rivarossi models, and two sets of Con-Cor streamlined passenger cars.  I remember riding the Milwaukee Road Hiawatha to get to my nearest hobby shop to buy an Athearn SW switcher.  Those were exciting days.

Les


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 09, 2014, 10:03:56 PM
I should have clarified, I was referring to diesels by those 2 makers, not steam locos.

I stand by what I said is my sentiment.  Here is why: People make choices in their lives over what to spend their disposable income on and when to spend it.  Bc many people take the "want it now", "need to have it now", approach they fail to grasp that with some patience, they can save their money, spend a little more and get a better product, ie: Atlas or Athearn locos from the '70s and '80s as opposed to the need for instant gratification, for what back then would be to  buy a cheap and less expensive TYCO or Bachmann (diesel) locomotive.  Even at their lesser cost, I could never justify buying either TYCO or Bachmann back then; you got so much more for the $$ from either of the 2 "A"s.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on November 09, 2014, 11:47:49 PM
the big drawback with the early mu2 drive is that they didn't have all wheel pickup. I would imagine that somebody resourceful who didn't mind tearing one completely apart, and rebuilding is could add all wheel pickup. probably the easiest way to get wheelsets that had metal wheels on both sides would be to find an old tyco trolley, or Plymouth switcher and use its wheelsets in the rebuilt mu2 drive. there are also those who have successfully rebuilt powertorque drives with motors from cd player disk drives. neither conversion is for the faint of heart, and it is a modification that, once started cannot be put back to the original configuration.

having cut my teeth in the 1970s, my locomotive fleet was primarily athearn diesels which were solid performars right out of the box, with all wheel drive and pickup. only minor modifications needed to be made if desired, namely the replacement of the bus bar which clipped onto the top of the motor and contacted both trucks, with a soldered wire, in the early 1980s, Ernst came out with a drop in replacement gear set which lowered the top speed of the locomotive to about 45 scale mph. measured against that standard, even the atlas units came up short.

the only reason I had tyco and ahm locomotives on my roster was my weakness for alco locomotives. I had to have alcos, even if the sat in a line on one of my yard tracks out of service. that was not an uncommon sight on the real railroads of that era.

it should also be mentioned that certain of the ahm locomotives were the worst of the whole bunch, having a cheap 3 pole open frame motor mounted directy on top of the truck, directly driving one of the axles through a worm gear with no gear reduction whatsoever. they had very little low speed control, and rubber traction tires that would bounce the locomotive off the rails when attempting to pull a heavy load.  the c liner, rs2 and "alco 1000" (s2) were among those so configured.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on November 10, 2014, 12:19:36 AM
And other than Athearn, most of it was, how to put this kindly?  Lacking in quality?CheersRoger T.

Roger-

Your comment is anything but kindly.

We all know that you are a focused, detail-oriented, prototypical modeler, but that doesn't make you special or give you the right to make nasty comments about someone else's model railroading interests. The worst part is that your comment reveals that you knew your statement was out of line and yet you did it anyway!

You know, people could make fun of you as a rivet counter. Although I know such comments are often worn, ironically, as a badge of honor, I'll wager that you wouldn't appreciate the slight or the malice behind it. I'm happy that you enjoy how you participate in this hobby but I'm equally happy that Wiley enjoys his pike, too. In fact, Wiley's enthusiasm suggests he enjoys model railroading at least as much as anybody and more than most. Judging from your chronically sour, condescending attitude, he's getting something out of our shared hobby that seems to be eluding you.

Please don't try to weasel out of what you wrote. Your put-down and intent are obvious. You need to acknowledge your arrogance and apologize to Wiley.
                                 -- D


No, the intent was to put down the products, which I clearly did, not someone's modelling interests.

Unfortunately, you chose to interpret my comments as an attack on someone's model railway.

I never mentioned the model railway in question and as I have written on here many, many times, in various forms, your modelling is whatever makes you happy.

I will repeat, this time without mincing words, other than Athearn, most of it was, how to put this kindly?  Lacking in quality?  And I'm referring to the products of Tyco, AHM, Rivarossi and yes, even our host Bachmann, none of them came up to the standard of Athearn.

As jward wrote "having cut my teeth in the 1970s, my locomotive fleet was primarily athearn diesels which were solid performars (sic) right out of the box, with all wheel drive and pickup....."

I wouldn't touch any of the other products mentioned.  In fact, my diesel fleet was all Athearn until Life-Like introduced their Proto 2000 line, which even put Athearn to shame and then Atlas really upped the standard with their improved line of diesels and my purchases of even Athearn came to a halt and still have by the way.  Finally, Bachmann came along and blew the steam competition out of the water with their Spectrum line.  Even my Athearn diesel fleet was retired from active service and given to teenagers in the school where I worked, once the improved P2K and Atlas diesels come onto the market.  I therefore stand by my original comments.

However, if I upset Wiley with my comment, I sincerely apologize as it was not my intent to criticise his modelling choices.

Cheers

Roger T.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on November 10, 2014, 12:29:32 AM
the early p2ks were improved athearn clones. the Ernst gears would fit them as well, and if you needed replacement parts, athearn gears were a drop in replacement. the biggest improvement I saw with p2k was the can motor.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on November 10, 2014, 12:32:13 AM
the early p2ks were improved athearn clones. the Ernst gears would fit them as well, and if you needed replacement parts, athearn gears were a drop in replacement. the biggest improvement I saw with p2k was the can motor.

Agreed, the can motor made a vast improvement in the running quality.

Cheers

Roger T.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Doneldon on November 10, 2014, 04:00:40 AM
my layout is built to what I like.

Jerry-

These eight words describe our hobby as well as any I've heard in a long time.

                                                                                                           -- D



Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Doneldon on November 10, 2014, 04:12:49 AM
Roger-

While I'm glad that you apologized to Wiley, I'm disappointed that you chose to ignore most of my last paragraph: "Please don't try to weasel out of what you wrote. Your put-down and intent are obvious."

Do you really think you can rudely ridicule another modeler's choices without deriding the modeler as well? I'm afraid your smirk and your scorn were all too obvious.
                                            -- D


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 10, 2014, 08:09:00 AM
I agree, AHM and Life Like pre Proto locos were/are also junk.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on November 10, 2014, 11:26:25 AM
Roger-

While I'm glad that you apologized to Wiley, I'm disappointed that you chose to ignore most of my last paragraph: "Please don't try to weasel out of what you wrote. Your put-down and intent are obvious."

Do you really think you can rudely ridicule another modeler's choices without deriding the modeler as well? I'm afraid your smirk and your scorn were all too obvious.
                                            -- D



That's your interpretation, I know what my intent was and I stick by it.

Cheers.

Roger T.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 10, 2014, 01:22:16 PM
Tough sell.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on November 21, 2014, 11:53:26 PM
Got a cool new piece of rolling stock today...

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Bachmann's animated horse car! Not surprisingly, it was in "Silver Series" packaging. It's very reminiscent of Lionel's old horse car (do they even make it anymore?) Almost like something Bachmann would've made in the 1970s or 1980s, but with much better wheels and couplers! (Or maybe TYCO would've beaten them to it?)

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Here it is on one of my trains.

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Signs of Christmas are starting to show up on my layout too! The town tree was set up next to the church.

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The downtown train station has been decorated for the holiday now, too!

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My Christmas train so far.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 22, 2014, 08:03:27 AM
W, if you are asking about LIONEL HO, they've long since stopped selling/making HO freight cars.  There is a  Bachmann connection though-at the time, the same factory producing cars for Bachmann, also produced some for LIONEL.

Of course, if you hanker for "rare" "vintage" "hard to find" LIONEL HO cars, you can always find them for exorbitant prices on Flea Bay.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on November 22, 2014, 10:53:12 AM
W, if you are asking about LIONEL HO, they've long since stopped selling/making HO freight cars.  There is a  Bachmann connection though-at the time, the same factory producing cars for Bachmann, also produced some for LIONEL.

Of course, if you hanker for "rare" "vintage" "hard to find" LIONEL HO cars, you can always find them for exorbitant prices on Flea Bay.

Yes, but I meant Lionel making the horse car in O scale.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 22, 2014, 04:22:34 PM
Why?  Thinking of switching to O scale?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on November 22, 2014, 05:26:39 PM
Why?  Thinking of switching to O scale?

No, but I noticed it wasn't on Lionel's website, and that made me curious because usually Lionel action cars and accessories stay out for a LONG time.
Turns out the O-gauge Lionel Rodeo Car was only made from 1962 to 1969. Fascinating... maybe that's why Bachmann decided to start making one?

Though I'm thinking some day when I get my own place, I may have both an HO layout and a Lionel "toy train" layout as well.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 22, 2014, 06:18:30 PM
You could have one now, for around the Xmas tree... ;)

Where did you get the Bachmann livestock car?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Joe323 on November 23, 2014, 01:21:58 AM
I looked up that Lionel Horse car on Ebay and found one for sale at about $149 with the pen.  Not my thing but I thought I'd mention it.  Wiley your layout really good and I am enjoying following it.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 23, 2014, 09:11:41 AM
Joe, was it the one where the animals come in and out of the car via the pen that has the motor/magnets underneath?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Joe323 on November 23, 2014, 05:20:01 PM
Yes they come out and march around I believe.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on December 21, 2014, 11:31:22 PM
Now it's looking more like Christmas on my layout!

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My Christmas train! The consist: Bachmann DCC-equipped Santa Fe FTA locomotive, TYCO/Mantua "Season's Greetings" boxcar, TYCO 50th Anniversay boxcar, A.H.M. 1979 holiday boxcar, Bachmann animated reindeer stock car, Life-Like christmas tree gondola car, and Bachmann wide-vision caboose.

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The church at Christmastime.

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Another Santa can be found at the drug store!

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I've also modified my IHC/Mehano Santa Fe Mikado steam engine and made it into a Consolidation, as the rear trailing wheels were rather troublesome.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on December 24, 2014, 05:10:13 PM
Well, it's Christmas Eve, and things are getting busy on my layout, especially at the church!

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Yep, got the Walthers Scenemaster Christmas figures (made by Noch) to use for the holidays.

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Santa Claus is spotted delivering presents! But since there's no snow, it means no sleigh. So how DID Santa get there? Or is it just an impostor?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: JimJim on December 24, 2014, 08:00:55 PM
Hello and congratulations on expanding your pike,

Looks GREAT!!! Keep the photos coming!!

From the, "Been there, done that" files...Go DCC now!

I'm on a 4x8 layout and before converting to DCC I had 16 power blocks with two-cab control. The cost of wire and analog controllers alone would have paid for a basic DCC system in the first place.

By switching to DCC there are now only 4 power blocks with the ability to control many more locomotives simultaneously.

Since you are in the early phases of your build, wiring at this time would be easiest and you can build-in for future expansion- -turnouts, signals, lights, etc.

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on December 24, 2014, 08:29:15 PM
JJ, Big Bad Wolf/wiley is running DCC now ::)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on December 24, 2014, 10:13:40 PM
JJ, Big Bad Wolf/wiley is running DCC now ::)

JimJim probably just read one of my early posts in this thread, before I bought the E-Z Command unit set.
When I built the layout, I originally planned to have two blocks with the TYCO blocking control, but then I decided not to and set it up as single-train operation initially, since I knew I would eventually upgrade to DCC, and did not want to go through the hassle of removing all those wires and insulated joiners once I did so. Plus, going with the E-Z Command control that includes a decoder-equipped locomotive made it very easy for me to get started with DCC right away.
It also helped that I researched about it in advance, like in Robert Schleicher's "101 Projects For Your Model Railroad" and "The HO Model Railroading Handbook" (1998 edition). The more I read about DCC, the more I wanted to give it a shot! And I am glad I did.
Now I just need to buy a decoder for my Proto 2000 Santa Fe GP9 (at least it's DCC-ready!)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on December 24, 2014, 10:28:17 PM
Doubt he read any more than what was on the page he posted on today.  That's how I find most people roll on here, even if they bother to read what anyone else said before them.

Anyway, hope your impostor Santa doesn't get busted for B & E!

How's that conductive goop been working on the rail joiners?

Merry Christmas man!


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on December 25, 2014, 12:15:21 AM
How's that conductive goop been working on the rail joiners?

You mean the liquid solder substitute? I used it when hard-wiring two of my Walthers Dash 8-40BWs with TCS T1 decoders, and it worked pretty well, but maybe it's because those Trainline Dash 8s are a pretty easy hardwire install job. I've never tried it on rail joiners and don't plan to, as I already have a nice set of terminal joiners on my layout providing power. They're the new Life-Like ones, as they've got slightly thicker wires than the Atlas ones, and seem a little more efficient at supplying power. Now I just need to get the booster unit, or would that be unnecessary for a layout my size when I'm only running two or three locomotives at the same time?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on December 25, 2014, 07:59:59 AM
One of the DCC boyz can tell you for sure, but I was suspect with that few locos, that it would not be necessary to, no.

And yes I was asking about the liquid solder. Thank you for the update.

Can you tell what gauge the wire is on your terminal joiners?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on December 25, 2014, 03:52:18 PM
Merry Christmas from Roundpost Junction! Here are my Pola/Walthers Trackside Maintenance buildings I got... (A.H.M. and TYCO also used to sell them)

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And of course my Christmas train on its' last day of operation for the year.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on January 04, 2015, 12:31:24 AM
Recently bought some more stuff for the layout...

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TYCO chrome Shell tank car. It may not be prototypical, but it sure looks cool! I've already swapped out the horn-hooks for knuckle couplers. I also like the separate details on it.

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Again, not very prototypical but what can I say? It's Conrail! (I say this because Conrail used to own the tracks running through Brockton before the MBTA bought the line; freight services here are now done by CSX.)

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Bachmann tri-level car transporter. I don't plan to run it on my layout because it is pretty long; I just think it looks cool and makes a great display piece. These were made from 1976 to at least 1997. It would be neat if Bachmann started making these again!

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This I got for Christmas; a Woodland Scenics Tidy Track roto-wheel cleaner! Handy for cleaning my locomotive wheels!

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Life-Like moped dealership!

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A couple of my freight trains in action.

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Overview as of today.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on January 04, 2015, 03:17:29 PM
Can you tell what gauge the wire is on your terminal joiners?

Still hoping for a reply.

Always had good luck cleaning loco wheels spraying some WD40 or PB Blaster on a paper towel, put the towel on the tracks and run one set of wheels then the other on the towel while the other set is powered by the track.  Easy to see how much gunk is removed by the amount on the paper towel.
Do you know how much the wheel cleaning device costs, if I may ask?  Cost of the cars, as well?  And do you bother to put coupler boxes on the cars?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on January 04, 2015, 07:01:02 PM

Still hoping for a reply.

Always had good luck cleaning loco wheels spraying some WD40 or PB Blaster on a paper towel, put the towel on the tracks and run one set of wheels then the other on the towel while the other set is powered by the track.  Easy to see how much gunk is removed by the amount on the paper towel.
Do you know how much the wheel cleaning device costs, if I may ask?  Cost of the cars, as well?  And do you bother to put coupler boxes on the cars?

Let's see, the wire on the terminal joiners are gauge #22.
The Roto Wheel Cleaner device is $30, which is a real bargain to me. Though to get power, you use the included alligator clips and attach them to either the track or the DC terminals of a power pack (I find my spare TYCO power packs to do the trick nicely; you can't have too many of them, and I find them useful for powering lights on my layout in different areas.)
The cars can vary at cost. I also got this lot at a thrift store yesterday; cost me all $25.
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Not a bad bargain! I'll probably be saving the hopper unloading set for a future layout or something, but I like how it can operate without electricity. It actually dates back to 1964, from the days when TYCO was a division of Mantua. (In fact, the unloader itself says "MANTUA COAL CO." on it!)

I haven't tried coupler boxes yet; I'd need a lot of screws and the appropriate drill bits to try it out, but I am considering trying it out with one of my TYCO Amtrak cars.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on January 04, 2015, 11:22:20 PM
Thank you for the info on the gauge of the wire.

I haven't tried coupler boxes yet; I'd need a lot of screws and the appropriate drill bits to try it out...

The kind of screws you would need are dirt cheep and the drill bits easy to find and not expensive either.  In my opinion, a better investment of your $$ than the $25 you just paid for the above.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on January 07, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Here are some more updates!

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My Proto 2000 GP9 now has a DCC decoder in it! (I used a TCS LL8 decoder; it was a pretty easy plug-and-play install job.)

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The classic Pola "Aunt Millie's House" building kit (TYCO version.) I'm using this as a farmhouse for the layout's farm.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10527307_10202486739728032_411605420810564245_n.jpg?oh=259ed83605540a4a6e556f26648002f1&oe=553463B7&__gda__=1428291388_90f8f9bebb09ec388f0eb99bb4aa08e2)
The town library so far. This is a Bachmann Plasticville Silver Series kit (sold in the mid-to-late 1990s), which claims to be more detailed than the "regular" Plasticville kits. I may do some painting and detailing to it on my own soon.

(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10906117_10202486739808034_2303377763545656191_n.jpg?oh=502836bcf5629a1c40e76a942161db75&oe=556CFC94)
The residental area of my layout in its current state.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1798864_10202492120782555_6745674342160206119_n.jpg?oh=78d110dc2c1daf696c6a4d7634f74a7d&oe=552098EA&__gda__=1428316602_33dae045c6aa603b248fc6f933205088)
I've also now put the Bachmann "action caboose" loading platform here.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: GS_Train on January 15, 2015, 12:01:40 PM
Great layout Wiley, what do you think of your Proto with the LL8 in it? I've been using DH165LO, but thought about trying the LL8.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on January 15, 2015, 05:31:53 PM
Great layout Wiley, what do you think of your Proto with the LL8 in it? I've been using DH165LO, but thought about trying the LL8.

So far it's pretty good. The headlights are the originals that came with the locomotive, and work really well with the decoder, so I don't have to replace any bulbs as the locomotive's instruction sheet described!


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Len on January 15, 2015, 06:01:16 PM
I've used, and liked, both. The DH165L0 makes it easier to add sound with a "Sound Bug" unit, but I don't use a lot of sound units so it's not that big a deal to me. On the flip side, the TCS documentation is a lot easier to follow than most Digitrax instructions.

Len


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 02, 2015, 03:34:10 PM
Been a while, but I have some updates to share over time...

I got a few new locomotives. First off is one from IHC:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/IHCConsolidation02.jpg)
It's their Premier series 2-8-0 Consolidation steam locomotive! If the body looks familiar, IHC reused TYCO's old 2-8-0/Chattanooga steam loco tooling, except it's obviously a much better runner, with a nice flywheel can motor, all-wheel drive, even the tender has electrical pick-up and a headlight on its back! I have since replaced the horn-hooks with knuckle couplers (an E-Z Mate coupler could fit easily into the tender's coupler pocket, but the front pilot required a small-hole coupler, but a Life-Like knuckle coupler did the trick nicely.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/trainshow0315loot-03.jpg)
Walthers Trainline BNSF GP9M locomotive in the "Heritage I" paint scheme. I bought this at a train show in Wilmington, MA last March, and it even came with a decoder already installed! The previous owner even installed an LED headlight on the front.
As I said, one reason why the BNSF Railway is my line of choice for my model railroad is because, according to Wikipedia, its' assortment of locomotive colors make it one of the most colorful large railroads in North America.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/newamtrakloco03.jpg)
Another Walthers locomotive, but this time it's an Amtrak F40PH in the "Phase III" paint scheme! I've always loved those locomotives in that paint scheme, as I used to see them a lot at South Station (I even remember seeing one pull an MBTA commuter train when I was younger!) It even has Operation Lifesaver markings, as I thought I wouldn't mind having a locomotive with them (I remember seeing an MBTA F40PH once with the Operation Lifesaver logo.)
I went with the Trainline version, for when I eventually install a DCC decoder in it, it's a relatively easy hardwire upgrade (compared to the old Bachmann Spectrum F40PHs!)
The Trainline F40PH is a little more upscale than their GP9M, with a reversing headlight and dual flywheels. There are even detail pieces you can apply (so far I put on the plow thingy, some truck details and the back railing.)

But now that I have more engines and a large layout, my trains seem to struggle a bit. I tried cleaning the track, and wheels on several locomotives, but it appears that the power for my E-Z Command unit may not be enough right now (just one amp.) SO, I ordered the E-Z Command 5-amp booster, since I figured I've had DCC for over a year now and am willing to upgrade it a bit more. (I might get a walk-around companion for it too, so I can have walk-around control and a second throttle.)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on May 10, 2015, 06:34:57 PM
Well, it turns out that the tracks need some more cleaning, hence the stalling, so I will do that. I still got the E-Z Command booster anyway, since I figured for a layout my size, one amp may not have been enough.

When I was doing a bit of maintenance (oiling and lubing) to my BNSF GP40, I was surprised by what I saw when I removed the shell:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/bachmannGP40flywheels.jpg)
It did not look much like the diagram that came with it. It even has flywheels! Maybe the DCC version is a little more upscale than the regular/train set version? I know my DCC Santa Fe FT doesn't have flywheels; maybe it's a little older than this GP40?

I also installed a decoder into my Amtrak F40PH, and it works pretty well.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/amtrak051015-02.jpg)
With this consist, I can say if I were running a model train layout in the late 70s or early 80s, I probably would've gotten Bachmann's Amtrak F40PH and TYCO's Amtrak 72' passenger cars for it to pull (as I'm not too keen on TYCO's old Amtrak F9 or GG1, and Bachmann's Amtrak cars would be too big for the 18-radius curves.)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/amtrak051015-03.jpg)
The Amtrak commuter train passing through the rail yard.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on September 03, 2015, 09:22:20 PM
Now that summer is over, I'm going back to my model train layout a bit more (I usually spend less time on it in the summer, and plus I've been helping out more with the model train museum's layout!)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/tycochattanoogaDCC.jpg)
Believe it or not, that TYCO Chattanooga GP20 is actually DCC-equipped, and has LED headlights and Kadee couplers! Normally I go for more prototypical locomotives for my layout, but I always thought that Chattanooga paint scheme looked cool. Definitely an interesting piece from what was once one of Bachmann's biggest rivals...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/DCClocos0815.jpg)
My current fleet of DCC-equipped locomotives. I may soon be getting an Amtrak Genesis locomotive of some sort (probably Athearn) and one of Walthers's brand-new Mainline Dash 8s.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics082215-01.jpg)
An interesting kitbash I did; I took the body of a TYCO Santa Fe GP20 (1978 version), modified the inside a bit, and installed it on a 90s-style Mantua GP20 chassis. Not a bad runner so far, but the wheels may need a bit of cleaning (it's been a while since I ran it.)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics082215-02.jpg)
There was a lot of Amtrak travel going on during the summer, with people going on long train trips and such.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics082315-01.jpg)
Comparing my TYCO/Mantua Santa Fe GP20 and my Walthers Santa Fe GP9M, both in the red/silver "SuperFleet" colors.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics082315-02.jpg)
A family camping near the woods on my layout. Hopefully they aren't woken up by passing trains (like when my family and I stayed at a hotel next to the railroad tracks in Old Orchard Beach, Maine!)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics090215-01.jpg)
A freight train waiting for clearance on one of the switches.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics082215-03.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics090215-02.jpg)
A couple of rail yard shots.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics090215-03.jpg)
As of yesterday, the kids are going back to school on my layout.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics082215-04.jpg)
A "daytime" overview.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics082315-03.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics082315-04.jpg)
Some "dark" shots on my layout, showing the various lighted buildings and accessories, as well as the lighted Amtrak cars. I think some day I'll try some of those newer LED building light units by Bachmann.

I also got an E-Z Command walk-around companion for the layout as well; pretty neat stuff.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on September 30, 2015, 11:22:36 PM
Some more updates...


(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics091215-01.jpg)
Sometimes you can't have too many rerailers!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/tycoamtrakcars.jpg)
This is the Amtrak train I currently run on my layout in most cases. The locomotive is a Walthers TrainLine F40PH in "Phase III" (with Operation Lifesaver markings) with a DCC decoder installed, and the cars are by TYCO. The first one is in a fictional blue-stripe paint scheme, and the other two are in "Phase I." I find them better for operating on a layout with 18" radius curves than Bachmann's Amtrak cars (the Amtrak cars by Athearn and Life-Like are also suitable for those curves.) At least they look cool being pulled by a more prototypical-looking Amtrak locomotive than what TYCO (http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/tyco_f9a_amtrak.jpg) used to offer. (http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/tyco_gg1_sketch_image.jpg)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics092215-01.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics092215-02.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics092615-04.jpg)
I've also been working on adding stripes and markings to my roads. They may not be totally realistic-looking, but it's an improvement over the blank roads. Most of the railroad crossing markings were done with a stencil I bought off walthers.com. (Next layout I do however, I might actually put some kind of material down for the roads instead of just painting on the plywood.)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics092315-02.jpg)
Here's a sight you'd probably never see on the real railroads: a steam-powered freight train and a modern Amtrak diesel passenger train in the same area!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics092315-05.jpg)
Another good use for the TYCO Pak on my control panel that I use for operating turnouts and action accessories is that I can hook up my Woodland Scenics Tidy Track Roto Wheel Cleaner to the DC terminals for cleaning my locomotives!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics092615-02.jpg)
The Proto 2000 Santa Fe GP9 doing some yard work, moving a TYCO Santa Fe caboose.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics092615-03.jpg)
Disaster occurs! Now normally a handcar can't cause a train wreck, but I based this off the early 90s Winnie-the-Pooh episode "The Good, The Bad and the Tigger," where at one point a speeding handcar collides with a runaway steam train, causing it to blow up!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/autocarriertrain.jpg)
My attempt at an auto-carrier train. Unfortunately, the Athearn auto-loader car has the problem where one of the coupler covers keeps falling off, messing up operation. So I am not running it right now. (I just linked the TYCO auto-loader to my main BNSF freight for now.)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/exATSFwarbonnet01.jpg)
Here's another locomotive I got recently. It's another Walthers Trainline Dash 8-40BW in Warbonnet colors, but it has the "Santa Fe" markings on the sides, small BNSF patches under the road numbers and the orange BNSF AC unit, LED headlights (no headlight on the rear yet), even a DCC decoder already installed! (I believe it's a TCS T1.) A real steal if you ask me  :)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics093015-03.jpg)
One of my current freight train setups, with the Santa Fe warbonnet locomotive. Except for that and the Walthers caboose, the rest of the rolling stock is TYCO!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics093015-01.jpg)
The train backs into the TYCO piggyback terminal to drop off one of the BN trailers...
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics093015-02.jpg)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics093015-04.jpg)
The TYCO freight-unloading depot in action.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics093015-05.jpg)
One BNSF freight waiting for the other to pass so it can pull onto the main line...


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Len on October 01, 2015, 11:59:15 AM
If the coupler cover that keeps falling off is the metal type, with a hole over the mounting hole in the pocket, there is a simple fix. Use a #50 drill bit to drill through the post, tap the hole with a 2-56 tap, install the coupler and cover, then run a 2-56 screw in to hold it all together.

Len


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on October 01, 2015, 01:33:04 PM
What length screw Len?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Joe323 on October 01, 2015, 02:02:35 PM
Wiley:

What type of track are you using and how is it fastened to the plywood?



Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on October 01, 2015, 03:48:27 PM
Wiley:

What type of track are you using and how is it fastened to the plywood?



I am using mostly Atlas Code-100 nickel-silver snap track, fastened to the plywood with track nails. Did it the old-school way! One of the two lighted bumpers is a TYCO Tru-Steel bumper, and the other is a Life-Like nickel-silver lighted bumper track (they started making nickel-silver Code-100 track early last year.)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Joe323 on October 01, 2015, 04:42:51 PM
Thank you! Did you find it hard nailing the track directly into the plywood.  I ask because I am thinking  of doing the same thing on my new layout (The New Staten Island West coming in 2016) but using atlas code 83 track since I have newer equipment I was wondering if it would be a good idea to laminate some pink foam or homosote to the plywood bench work. My concern is that the softer material won't grip track nails sufficiently.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Len on October 01, 2015, 06:27:26 PM
What length screw Len?

1/8" - 3/16" should work fine.

Len


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Joe323 on October 01, 2015, 06:38:24 PM
One other question would that tyco unloader work with more modern 40' containers?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on October 01, 2015, 07:11:27 PM
Thank you Len.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on October 16, 2015, 10:58:43 PM
One other question would that tyco unloader work with more modern 40' containers?

I don't think it would. The containers need to have kind of a ridge on the top for the crane to grab them. This only works with TYCO's post-1978 trailers.

Here's some more new stuff...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics100815-01.jpg)
Doing some cleaning with my new Walthers Trainline track-cleaning boxcar.
I know Bachmann makes one, but I was tight on money at the time and opted for the Walthers one. I also noted Atlas makes one as well, and I saw that AHM, IHC and Life-Like had made them in the past, yet this is one thing TYCO never made!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics100815-02.jpg)
Once again it's autumn on the layout. (Then again, it's ALWAYS autumn with the trees in that area!)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics100815-03.jpg)
A yard worker shouts up to the locomotive crew...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics100815-04.jpg)
Two of my trains in the dark. The Amtrak train especially looks neat...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics100815-07.jpg)
My new traffic light setup! The hanging one is a Walthers Cornerstone 4-way traffic signal. I plan to get a Walthers traffic light controller to hook it up to soon, along with maybe an additional signal for one part of the intersection. The horizontal fire station signals are TYCO blinking traffic lights! (Maybe I'll even wire them up so they flash on and off like the real ones do.)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics101015-02.jpg)
A slightly-longer double-header freight train!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics101015-03.jpg)
Another configuration for my DCC BNSF Warbonnets. They're on the same address, so I can run double-header trains like this.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/lighteddrugstore01.jpg)
My TYCO Corner Drug Store is now illuminated! When I bought it back when I was building my current layout, there wasn't an opening in the bottom of the base, but the roof was removable. I didn't attempt to install interior lighting in it until today; I drilled a small hole in the base and into the table, stuck a Model Power peel-and-stick light onto the ceiling, ran the wire through the hole, wired it up to one of my "accessory" power packs (already powering some of the lights), and it was all set! It does make a difference, especially with the interior detailing.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/lighteddrugstore02.jpg)
A shot showing some of the illuminated buildings and accessories on my layout.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Len on October 17, 2015, 11:16:10 AM
It's possible to glue thin styrene strips to the top of modern containers so the Tyco container crane can grab them. Some minor painting to blend them in is required. Keeps the grandkid's happy when they get to use "their" container cars.

Len


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on November 03, 2015, 10:54:38 PM
Here's some more updates, including new stuff I bought at a train show in Randolph this past Sunday (they moved from Brockton)...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics110315-01.jpg)
An AHM Rio Grande gondola car. I already swapped out the horn-hooks with Life-Like knuckle couplers, though I did have to fix one of the coupler pocket covers...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics110315-03.jpg)
I also got a TYCO Durango-style stock car. On this one, I used E-Z Mate Mark II couplers.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics110315-05.jpg)
Another TYCO Santa Fe boxcar, this time the red El Capitan 50-foot car.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics110315-06.jpg)
Another long-distance Amtrak passenger train of sorts; this one I kind of based off the 1954 Encyclopedia Britannica documentary film "The Passenger Train."

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics110315-07.jpg)
A Model Power railroad signal.

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/wile_e2005/16186524/380314/380314_original.jpg)
I've even let K-O, the Brockton Rox kangaroo, play with my model train layout! ;)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 04, 2015, 07:56:13 AM
I have that El Capitan.  (Who doesn't, right?!?!)  Have replaced the trucks and wheel-sets with Tichy's and added knuckle couplers in their own draft boxes.  Have plans to turn it into a track cleaning car with a piece of hardboard as the track cleaner.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: electrical whiz kid on November 07, 2015, 11:44:09 AM
Jim;

Jim; use un-tempered Masonite.  it is more effective.

Rich C.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 07, 2015, 10:37:05 PM
Thank you for the tip Rich.  I have always used 'hardboard' interchangeably with 'Masonite'.  What I have now to use is the back of a piece of wall paneling.  Is this perhaps un-tempered Masonite?  If not, what is an example of un-tempered Masonite and where can I  find it?

Thank you.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on November 08, 2015, 04:04:44 PM
Hardboard and Masonite are the same thing.  Masonite is just a brand name for hardboard.

Both tempered and untempered are available at any building supply store.

Comes in 4 x 8 sheets.  Just a little too large for a track cleaner.  Go to your local lumber yard and see if they've some scrap pieces available.



Roger T.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: James in FL on November 08, 2015, 06:27:03 PM
Quote
Jim;

Jim; use un-tempered Masonite.  it is more effective.

Rich C.


@ewk,.

Is there anything I might possibly read, or be directed to, that proves, in some way, that un-tempered Masonite is more effective/efficient, than tempered Masonite in removing track crud?
Or is this a matter of opinion?

Either way, you are dragging a piece of Masonite below a car.
Is the Masonite permeated with some type of (wet) cleaner? (To provide some lubrication?).

Physics is Physics.
IMO that’s way more load then I want to apply, you have to admit (after doing the math), that’s a lot of drag.
 I don’t do “HO”.
Just trying to find the logic in it all.

My personal experience dictates that liquid cleaners (volatile solvents) are the most effective in my application.
Applied with the hand of “GOD” rather than stressing my lokies, applied on some type of medium,
In a friction application to the track.
But… to each his own…

@wiley209;

I love it.
Keep posting pics.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 08, 2015, 09:46:30 PM
Go to your local lumber yard and see if they've some scrap pieces available.
Roger T.

Thanks for the info Roger but why are you sending me to the store?  Did you not read what I wrote above?

No liquid needed James when using the hardboard/masonite rigged car.  When the board gets dirty, a little sandpaper will clean it right up like fresh and new.  I, like you, also like to use liquids for cleaning, but also believe that variety is the spice of life ;)


@wiley209;

I love it.
Keep posting pics.

Agree, just not ones of creepy looking mascots or costumed characters...


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on November 08, 2015, 10:10:24 PM

Go to your local lumber yard and see if they've some scrap pieces available.
Roger T.

Thanks for the info Roger but why are you sending me to the store?  Did you not read what I wrote above?



Info was not directed to anyone in particular just a tip for anyone interested in making a hardboard track cleaner.

However, to directly answer one of your questions, you usually can tell the difference between tempered and untempered hardboard by its colour.  Tempered is a dark brown colour and untempered is usually a light tan in colour.  :)

Tempered will also bend, good for curved backdrops, whereas, untempered will snap.

Cheers

Roger T.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 08, 2015, 11:10:34 PM
Hmmmn it sure appeared you were responding to me since your post directly followed mine, but I thank you, again. 
It would appear by what you say, that the pieces of paneling I have are of the un-tempered variety of hardboard.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on November 12, 2015, 07:59:27 PM
More updates!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/amtrakP42-03.jpg)
I got a new locomotive this week! An Athearn ready-to-roll Amtrak P42 "Genesis" diesel in Phase III! Today I installed a decoder in it, and it was quite a pain at first; the "dummy" plug was stuck into the DCC harness pretty tight, and then a wire got pulled out by accident and needed to be re-attached, and then a couple of the motor wires got tangled in one of the shafts! But after fixing all that, it runs pretty well now.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/woodlandscenicspainter02.jpg)
Here's the Woodland Scenics painter and van I got for my birthday set up on my layout...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics111215-03.jpg)
Parked on my isolated siding is my Mantua Classics BN GP20 locomotive with the TYCO crane car and boom tender.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics111215-04.jpg)
Even in my town, the school buses must stop at railroad crossings before going over the tracks! (After all, that's what the Schoolhouse Rock bill was for!)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics111215-01.jpg)
A freight train stopping at the TYCO freight station...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics111215-05.jpg)
The full Amtrak train, powered by my Amtrak Genesis locomotive. I will say even though the TYCO and Life-Like cars don't look that prototypical, at least having a prototypical locomotive like the Genesis pull the cars looks better than having TYCO's Amtrak F9 or GG1 pulling them!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics111215-07.jpg)
I already have two of the Walthers Cornerstone electrical towers built. I may even string some thread on them to simulate the power lines.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics111215-06.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics111215-08.jpg)
A couple of overviews of my trains...


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on November 22, 2015, 09:44:52 PM
Some more updates, especially since I've been to the November Greenberg's Train and Toy Show...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics112215-02.jpg)
Installing knuckle couplers on some new rolling stock I bought...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics112215-03.jpg)
Today I bought a Bachmann Deleware & Hudson hopper, an IHC/Mehano Railbox 50-ft boxcar (like TYCO sold in some of their later train sets), and a Walthers Trainline Santa Fe hopper and BNSF wide-vision caboose!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics112215-04.jpg)
I also installed a second Walthers traffic light at my main intersection, and also hooked up a Walthers traffic signal controller. It took hours or trial and error to get it working properly, but so far it looks great. Here's a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhphDMpuhWM) of it in action...


(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics112215-05.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics112215-06.jpg)
Just a couple shots showing my new Bachmann "Train Crew" figures. Bachmann has been making these since 1979.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics112215-07.jpg)
The Walthers Santa Fe hopper. I know AHM and Life-Like also made similar ones in the past. It may not be that prototypical, but I will say it does look cool. Maybe with a bit of weathering it would look even better.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on November 22, 2015, 11:14:43 PM
Love the traffic signals.  The Mehano have filled in step rails?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on December 23, 2015, 07:13:59 PM
Some more updates, in time for the holidays!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics112615-01.jpg)The train station has its' Christmas roof added...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics112615-02.jpg)
I've placed the town tree near the church...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics112615-03.jpg)
And my Christmas train is all set up!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics121715-01.jpg)
Here's a neat sight; my steam-powered Christmas train passes a modern Amtrak train; something you probably wouldn't see in real life!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics121715-02.jpg)
The Amtrak train stopping at the Christmas-decorated train station.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics121715-03.jpg)
Just another shot of the residential area...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics121715-04.jpg)
A shot of one of the BNSF freight trains waiting for the Christmas train to pass.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics121715-05.jpg)
People waiting at the crossings are definitely surprised to see live reindeer in the stock car!


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on December 23, 2015, 09:02:39 PM
I had asked if your Mehano car had filled in step rails.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on December 24, 2015, 01:14:14 AM
I had asked if your Mehano car had filled in step rails.

Yeah it does; sorry I didn't initially respond. Those freight cars were meant to be kind of lower-end, as they were also included in the later TYCO train sets when they began using Mehano-made equipment. (Early 90s TYCO sets could come with Mehano's EMD F9, Alco FA, C430 or even C628, while their Chattanooga set used a modified Mikado 2-8-2 with the front and back trailing wheels removed to make an 0-8-0.)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on December 24, 2015, 08:25:45 AM
Yeah it does; ...Those freight cars were meant to be kind of lower-end

Yes, I know they were.  Do you like them looking like that?  Did you know you can change the look?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on December 25, 2015, 05:09:07 PM

Yes, I know they were.  Do you like them looking like that?  Did you know you can change the look?

I'm planning to weather many of them soon.

Anyways, here's some Christmas updates!
Here are some Christmas Day updates!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics122515-01.jpg)
Last night, Santa Claus was sighted preparing to climb down this chimney, except there was no sleigh anywhere. So what's going on? Some say it really was Santa, but he didn't use his sleigh this year due to very little places getting snow this Christmas. And other say it's the father of the family living in that house, dressed up as Santa to go down the chimney and put the presents under the tree!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics122515-02.jpg)
One of the things I got for Christmas this year were a few of these wind turbines for the train layout. I got three, but so far I might just stick one or two on the layout.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics122515-03.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics122515-04.jpg)
I also got some sidewalks that I have laid in the downtown area!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics122515-05.jpg)
Another angle of the wind turbines. Unfortunately, they won't stay up on their own, even if I tried gluing them onto the platform. They fell over after I took this pic; I will find another way to keep them standing.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics122515-06.jpg)
The stock pen with a couple of the new Walthers Scenemaster farm people figures I got.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics122515-07.jpg)
The Christmas train passing through town, of course...


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on December 25, 2015, 09:03:16 PM
I'm not talking about the overall look of the car.  Weathering is only going to help so much.  I'm talkin 'bout the filled in step rails.

And I hope that bird is not still flyin 'round your basement, I heard those turbines kill birds...


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: brokenrail on January 02, 2016, 02:54:58 PM
Hello,
I seen you post and went through what your going through .Most important thing I learned was easy access to all points of the layout  should be considered wisely .I had a 20 by 8 layout that was complete ,but it took up so much space and was very difficult to access every point that it turned into a shelf type layout that is now shaped like a J .Basically a bent dog bone.Every point is accessible even the corners and the loops with access doors in each loop so everything  is in arms length.Along with this being sectional in a layout of size is important in the planning for things may have to move one day and without the sectional idea put into the design it will have to be cut up.My neighbor had the same type of bent dog bone design,but did not section it in the bench-work and spent 5 years spiking hand laid track with wood ties that he ended up having to cut up ,,,,rather then take apart  the sections so he could move it to his new residence.It was sad.He gave me a few pieces and a strong reminder of a sectional design. His track work and scenery was a work of art that had to be basically destroyed because of this major error in planning.
Johnny Adam


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Striker1945 on January 02, 2016, 04:45:43 PM
Love the progress here man! For the wind turbines falling over I was thinking you could drill a small hole in the base of the turbines maybe 2-3inches deep then drill a hole in the table where you want the turbines to stand. Place a small rod (metal or wood, I'd say wood) in the bottom of the turbine and then you can effectively stick them into the table like you would pegs to a board. If that doesn't work I'd consider using an adhesive around the pins youve placed in the turbines. There's my two cents, take it for what its worth. Anyways I love the progress on your layout man! Keep havin' fun!

-Striker


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on January 18, 2016, 02:39:06 PM
First updates of 2016!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics010516-01.jpg)
A Walthers Trainline Santa Fe boxcar I got for Christmas.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics010516-02.jpg)
I also got this Life-Like container flatcar recently. Surprised I never had one of these yet!

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics010516-03.jpg)
Winter break is over, and the school is back in session...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics010516-04.jpg)
I had put some more new figures on the farm.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics010516-05.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics010516-06.jpg)
I've been installing a bit more fencing for one of the houses and the library. It's a Bachmann picket fence kit. Bachmann has been making it since the '80s.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics010516-07.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics010516-08.jpg)
A couple action shots of one of the freight trains on my layout.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics010516-09.jpg)
The current consist for this freight train, pulled by a Bachmann blue/yellow Santa Fe GP40.
I may soon be getting one of those E-Z App Bluetooth-controlled locomotives; probably the BNSF GP35.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on January 18, 2016, 05:47:17 PM
You do anything yet with those filled in step rails?  Buy anymore freight cars like that?  Do you like rolling stock with molded in roof walks?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on January 18, 2016, 06:58:30 PM
You do anything yet with those filled in step rails?  Buy anymore freight cars like that?  Do you like rolling stock with molded in roof walks?

Yeah, sometimes I don't mind them. It might just be me, but when it comes to separate details like those, I usually seem to prefer them on locomotives rather than freight cars. Older rolling stock (from firms like AHM, Bachmann, IHC, Life-Like, TYCO, etc.) can still be run very well today, especially if the horn-hooks are replaced with knuckle couplers, and with a bit of weathering and any separate details that can be added if desired, they'd look amazing. Though at one time, those companies did offer un-prototypical colors (remember TYCO's crazy boxcars and hopper cars with logos like Baby Ruth, Kellogg's, Old Dutch Cleanser, Pepsi, Jell-O, etc?) I do have a few, but mostly for collecting purposes; for running on my layout, I prefer rolling stock of prototypical railroads and such. For a while, I had a train on my layout that, aside from the locomotive (usually a modern Bachmann or Walthers one) and caboose (again, Bachmann or Walthers), all the rolling stock was TYCO!

BTW, I just ordered one of those Bluetooth "E-Z App" locomotives; not surprisingly, I went for the BNSF GP35. If that all goes well, maybe I'll get the Santa Fe FT or RS-3 as well. I seem to also recall hearing somewhere Bachmann will be making plug-in E-Z App Bluetooth decoders for use in DCC-ready locomotives. If that's the case, I can then probably have myself a nice Bluetooth-equipped Amtrak locomotive! (either an F40PH or a "Genesis" P42.)


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on January 18, 2016, 07:11:36 PM
Older rolling stock (from firms like AHM, Bachmann, IHC, Life-Like, TYCO, etc.) can still be run very well today, especially if the horn-hooks are replaced with knuckle couplers...

Only if you go the extra mile and expense and replace the wheel sets, trucks, add weight and when replacing with knuckle couplers, you install coupler boxes and screws to hold the new trucks in place.  This also requires having a Kadee Coupler gauge to do it right.

(remember TYCO's crazy boxcars and hopper cars with logos like Baby Ruth, Kellogg's, Old Dutch Cleanser, Pepsi, Jell-O, etc?)

Except for maybe the Old Dutch Cleanser, no, I've tried to forget them.  And am thankful to say, I don't own any, including an Old Dutch Cleanser car.

How about a soldering station?  Obtain one of those yet?

Have any pics of anything you have weathered?






Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on January 19, 2016, 12:41:28 AM
wiley,
it is my understanding that the aftermarket Bluetooth decoders will be sold by blue rail trains, which is Bachmann's partner in ez app. on the blue rail website they have photos of the decoders they are developing.

in a previous post about ez app and blue rail trains, I alluded to the possibility of battery powered trains. the blue rail decoders will have provisions for the addition of an external power source (battery) in addition to the track power connections. I am not sure if the Bachmann locomotives will have this feature as well.

as for me I am awaiting the android version of ez app before I start my experiment into Bluetooth trains.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on January 21, 2016, 05:37:42 PM
Digital technology has made it's mark even more with my model railroad layout...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/BachmannE-ZAppTrain-01.jpg)
Yup, I got one of Bachmann's new E-Z App Bluetooth locomotives! Naturally, I went with the BNSF GP35.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/BachmannE-ZAppTrain-02.jpg)
Look at that detailing! I believe this is because the Bachmann originally introduced the GP35 as a "Bachmann Plus" diesel locomotive, hence the slightly better-detailed shell than, say, their GP40 or FT diesels.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/BachmannE-ZAppTrain-03.jpg)
Here I am controlling it with my iPod Touch 5G. It runs really well, even on areas where the track often needs to be cleaned (they say this is a big advantage with Bluetooth locomotives like these.)
Bachmann says an Android version of the E-Z App will come out soon; when it does, I can install it on my Samsung Galaxy smartphone!

Here's a video of it in action...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8R_A6rfwwA


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on January 22, 2016, 07:42:38 AM
wiley, do you have any pics of any of the cars you have weathered?

Do you always like to run your trains fast?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on March 22, 2016, 12:38:30 PM
Do you always like to run your trains fast?

Not too fast; I usually try to go for an even, medium speed. I often run passenger trains a bit faster than freight trains, as I usually see passenger trains travel faster than freight trains.

But here are some more updates, now that I've also been to the March 2016 Greenberg Train and Toy Show in Wilmington MA...

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics032016-04.jpg)
Updating the firmware in my Bluetooth-equipped Bachmann GP35. This also removed the problem with the noticeable hum caused by the decoder when operating, and also allows for better slow-movement operation.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics032016-02.jpg)
The latest version of Bachmann's blinking oil storage tank, equipped with an LED light! I'm thinking of painting the tank to resemble the Rainbow Swash tank in Boston.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88922162/model%20train%20pics/modeltrainpics032016-03.jpg)
Walthers Trainline CSX hopper car. I thought I'd get this to support the freight railroad that runs through my hometown of Brockton MA.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on March 22, 2016, 09:01:51 PM
Have any pics of anything you weathered?


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Len on March 23, 2016, 08:39:54 AM
Weathered?? Good grief man, didn't you know the wash rack on this road operates 24 hours a day to get rid of all that crud and mud?

Len


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on March 23, 2016, 12:39:20 PM
Weathered?? Good grief man, didn't you know the wash rack on this road operates 24 hours a day to get rid of all that crud and mud?

Len


But not on freight cars and even then, no loco is as clean as a new model loco.  The wash racks don't clean trucks and neither do they clean roofs.  :-)


Cheers


Roger T.




Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jbrock27 on March 23, 2016, 12:40:49 PM
Some more updates, especially since I've been to the November Greenberg's Train and Toy Show...
The Walthers Santa Fe hopper...It may not be that prototypical, but I will say it does look cool. Maybe with a bit of weathering it would look even better.

I'm planning to weather many of them soon.



Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Trainmaster247 on March 23, 2016, 12:58:25 PM
Pretty nice layout, defnitely more of the fun than ops style. What control do you use? DC or DCC


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on March 23, 2016, 02:25:01 PM
Pretty nice layout, defnitely more of the fun than ops style. What control do you use? DC or DCC

Have you ever run a prototype style operations based model railroad with a car forwarding system, TT&TO or CTC operations, with multiple stations, a yard or two, interchanges, staging yards, two man crews, switch lists, walk around controls be they wired or radio etc., etc.? 

That to me is where the fun is.  Running a model railroad as close to the prototype as practical.  Not my cup of tea to just run trains for no rhyme nor reason.

But, as usual, each to his own.


Cheers


Roger T.



Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Trainmaster247 on March 23, 2016, 02:58:27 PM
I have run a swithcing layout hope to start building a permanent one soon ;D


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on March 23, 2016, 07:27:45 PM
just wondering why "operating" a model railroad has to involve excessive amounts of paperwork........


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on March 24, 2016, 01:23:32 AM
just wondering why "operating" a model railroad has to involve excessive amounts of paperwork........

Reading a waybill or a switchlist is excessive paperwork?

How do you switch cars?  How to you block your trains?  Dealer's choice?  That presents no challenge, at least for me.  It's the challenge of getting the train from A to wherever following the railroad rules and prototype car handling procedures, that to me is where the fun is.  Just runing a train aimlessly and with no purpose just doesn't do it.  I may as well run model race cars around an  Indy track rather than a  Grande Prix circuit, it's that boring.

But, of course, your mileage and way of getting enjoyment from your model railroad may be different than mine so neither of us are right or wrong.


Cheers


Roger T.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Trainmaster247 on March 24, 2016, 10:30:13 AM
Well everyone has their own style, I use switchlists made in numbers for when i run. Or just block s train and pick up and replace cars in that.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Trainman203 on March 25, 2016, 05:50:17 PM
I operate shortline style .  No train is longer than 6 cars or 8 or so, and there are about 5 set out points out on the line, so the "waybills" and "switch lists" are all "mental"  :o :D.  No paperwork at home for me !   That is" work"!  :o :D. And "work" is for the "office"! :o. Not at "home"! :o :D ;D

Other than no papers, no railroad is operated more prototypically IMHO than mine.  At point A, the cars on the interchange are pulled by a MoPac road engine (that's who I interchange with) and the team track and the rice mill are switched.  The road engine makes up the train (always a mixed train) and spots it on the MP main with the combine on the end across the street from the hotel where tickets are sold (no depot.).

 The MP engine, a 2-8-2 or 4-8-2, then cuts off and the Midland Western engine, usually a 4-4-0 or 4-6-0 but sometimes an MP 2-10-0, all suitable for limited bridge ratings, couples up and pulls the train off the MP main line onto the weed grown Midland Western itself, running  30 scale miles to the other end at never more than 15 mph,  and in between switching two settlements with team tracks, wood yards , oil dealers and co-op warehouses.

Usually there's an opposing train that must be met and passed, always with a "saw-by". Anyone else here operate with saw-bys?

At point B at the other end, the Midland Western engine is cut off and a MOP road engine takes over for switching and interchange (MP again) work, more or less a mirror image of point A.

Getting from one end of the railroad to the other and doing all that can take 3 hours or more.  I've had all day ops sessions with two operators getting one train over the line from A to B and back.  On a 15" wide layout 50 ' long.  And all done with NO PAPERWORK!  :o :D


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on March 25, 2016, 09:14:11 PM
My through trains can be be up to 20 cars long and locals can depart the yard with 10 to 16 cars, so in my case some sort of paperwork is required.

My trains also are blocked, both through trains and locals, so again paperwork is required to keep cars in the correct order for setting out.

A different operator switches the yard and other operators run the through trains while a different operators run the locals so again paperwork is required.   And then there's the passenger trains, both mainline through and locals and branch passenger and branch mixed.  The mixed requires paperwork otherwise the operator has no idea where the freight cars are going.

Excample:


A through train stops at Farnham.  The through freight operator sets out the Farnham block.  How does he know what the Farnham block is?  Because the paperwork tells him what cars they are.  The cars in the train were blocked and the paperwork done by myself prior to the ops session.  Actually automatically by the waybills as they were written to keep cars in the correct blocks when trains arrive in staging.  A tedious task I must admit but that only gets done once per waybill.

The through train now lifts the through block from the previously blocked by the yard switcher operator.  

How does yard switcher operator know which cars go on which through freight?  Because the paperwork (waybills) tell him.  Otherwise he'd have no idea where a particular car is destined.

Now he again switches the newly arrived cars.  He switches the local cars onto the local track.  The branch cars onto the branch track, The eastward wayfreight cars onto its track and the westward wayfreight cars onto their track and the  U.S.A cars onto their track.

As the arrival of the next through freight approaches or the departure of a train originating in Farnham approaches, the yard engine pulls the cars for that train from its yard track and using the A&D (Arrival and Departure) track, he now sorts the train into its correct blocking order.  If it's an originating train, he also goes over to the Caboose Track and picks up the correct caboose (How does he know which is the correct caboose for this train?  Yes, you got it, paperwork) and tacks it onto the rear of the cars sitting on the A&D track.  Once the train engine (Either one steam or a couple of diesels depending on the train, is coupled to the head end, it's ready to depart.   And how does the roundhouse foreman/hostler know which engines are assigned to this train?  Yes, paperwork.

Maybe the yard engine's next job is to switch the industries.  He pulls all the cars, eight or more, waiting on the Local track and puts them in order to make the industrial switching easier.  How does he know which cars are going to which to which industries?  Yep.  paperwork.  Once he's got the cars in what he thinks are the best order, he starts to switch the industries.  How does he know which cars to pull and which to leave?  You got it, paperwork.

Now lets look at a 10 car wayfreight.  Doesn't matter which.  As it departs Farnham, all the cars have been placed in order behind the engine (Assigned by paperwork and not just randomly picked) and in block (station order) with each block in sequence first station to last with the last block in front of the van (Yes, placed on this train because all vans, like all engines, are assigned to particular trains).   As he arrives at the first station he switches the cars.  The paperwork tells him where the incoming cars are going and the paperwork tells him what cars are staying and what cars are leaving.  All outgoing cars are placed in front of the van, because that's typically how the prototype does it.  He then departs for the next station and repeats.

How could all of this be done with no paperwork?   I can see on a light traffic branch you may not need paperwork but even then I'd still use waybills as it's more of a challenge.

With six through freights setting out and lifting cars half a dozen or so cars at a time, four way freights and two mixed trains arriving and departing during a session plus switching the local industries, the yard switcher at Farnham is handling something like 60 cars during an operating session.  paperwork is needed.  :)

Cheers


Roger T.
  


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Trainman203 on March 25, 2016, 10:09:12 PM
You need paperwork Roger.  I don't.  You have a mainline railroad.  I have a short line that only has 20 switches.  I don't need paperwork.

The real Reader Railroad in Arkansas  only had 20 switches over 26 miles  of line, and two steam locomotives when I visited in 1963.  It was family owned and had the same employees for over 40 years.  

They actually issued train orders for the tri weekly mixed.  Paperwork  :o :D. It was always the same though because there was never anything else out on the railroad. :D if the crew felt like fishing they'd stop and do it.   ;D If it was raining at the wood yard they'd wait till it finished to do the switching. :)

That's my kind of railroad.  Simple.  Easy going. No timetable.  Almost zero paperwork.   :D


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: rogertra on March 25, 2016, 10:37:15 PM
You need paperwork Roger.  I don't.  You have a mainline railroad.  I have a short line that only has 20 switches.  I don't need paperwork.

The real Reader Railroad in Arkansas  only had 20 switches over 26 miles  of line, and two steam locomotives when I visited in 1963.  It was family owned and had the same employees for over 40 years.  

They actually issued train orders for the tri weekly mixed.  Paperwork  :o :D. It was always the same though because there was never anything else out on the railroad. :D if the crew felt like fishing they'd stop and do it.   ;D If it was raining at the wood yard they'd wait till it finished to do the switching. :)

That's my kind of railroad.  Simple.  Easy going. No timetable.  Almost zero paperwork.   :D


I agree.  But the real Reader Railroad still used paperwork. How else, for example, did they know which incoming freight car went were and what cars were they to pick up and where were they heading?

Really, you should try a simple Car Card & Waybill system.  It makes switching much more interesting and challenging, even on a smaller model railroad.  Been there, done that on a 12 x 2 foot switching layout.

Cheers


Roger T.

 


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: Trainman203 on March 25, 2016, 10:57:41 PM
If I remember right, the Reader had 3 on line customers, maybe 4.   I have 4 more than the Reader did.

About 90 per cent of Reader's  traffic came from an asphalt refinery.  The rest was between a wood yard and a couple others I can't recall, but single car loading type places.  So the trains were always nearly all insulated tank cars.

I do paperwork at work  :D. Not at home  >:(.

I am retiring within a year.  Maybe I'll feel more like it then.


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on March 30, 2016, 01:33:14 PM
Pretty nice layout, defnitely more of the fun than ops style. What control do you use? DC or DCC

I use DCC, to be exact, Bachmann's E-Z Command. I got it as the pack that comes with a decoder-equipped locomotive, in this case, a BNSF GP40-2, as I was basically upgrading an existing layout (it originally was analog/DC until a month after I began operating it.) Next month will mark two years since I moved up to DCC. It's much more interesting than analog train operation, I will say. I also have quite a few more DCC locomotives now, compared to when I first began using the E-Z Command system.
The E-Z App system is also very interesting. Once BlueRail Trains makes their plug-in Bluetooth decoder available next month, I'm going to buy one, along with a DCC-ready Amtrak locomotive (either another Athearn "Genesis" P40/P42, or a Walthers Mainline F40PH) and install the decoder into it so I can run an Amtrak train via Bluetooth as well!


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: jward on April 01, 2016, 08:41:39 PM
regarding operation....

roger, you and so many others seems to be fixated on  a yard and local freight centered form of operation. this is not the only form of prototypical operation, and there are other forms of operation that don't involve excessive paperwork like train orders, waybills, etc.

consider a heavily travelled mainline such as the northeast corridor. you'd have multiple tracks, and with most trains scheduled you'd know where each train should go without a consist. the line could be divided into various sections, each controlled by a tower operator who controlled that particular section. the tower operators would coordinate with each other to get the trains over the road. there would be a hierarchy of different types of trains as to which ones had priority. express trains would be top dog, followed by commuter trains, mail (freight) trains, general freight trains, with the local freight and work trains at the bottom of the list. at a station, only certain trains would stop, and they'd have to be routed on a track with a boarding platform. individual operators would be scored based upon their efficiency in moving the traffic through their section with a minimum of delays.

an optional working signal system would greatly add to the realism here,


Title: Re: A new layout!
Post by: wiley209 on April 03, 2016, 01:35:04 PM
Yeah, working signals would be a pretty good idea. As for how I model my railroad, it's because in my area, the freight trains passing through are local, so I mostly base my freight trains off that, except the real freights where I live are CSX, and I model the BNSF Railway. Plus, since I use 18"-radius curves on my layout (due to space reasons), local freights are easier to model, along with passenger trains with 72-scale-foot rolling stock (like the old Athearn, Con-Cor, Life-Like and TYCO 72-foot Amtrak cars), although while those cars may not be that prototypical, I prefer to have a more prototypical locomotive pull the cars (like an Amtrak F40PH or P42 Genesis diesel.)