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Title: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: TJ on February 13, 2014, 09:22:19 AM
I would have to say either a Boxcab diesel, the ALCO C415 or FM's H12-44 , I would say all three.

http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/id35.html

http://tycotrain.tripod.com/lifelikemodeltrainscollectorsresource/id9.html - See text under Santa Fe No.T237B -1972 Release -

http://www.spookshow.net/h1244.htmlNo.

TJ
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: gatrhumpy on February 13, 2014, 09:57:56 AM
Last two links don't work.
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: brokemoto on February 13, 2014, 10:40:23 AM
1.  An N scale version of their HO 'modern' eight wheeler
2.  An N scale version of their HO Climax (or was it a Heisler?  I forget).
3.  An N scale version of their HO 'Russian' decapod.


A boxcab diseasel would be allright, as well.
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: TJ on February 13, 2014, 12:39:55 PM
Quote from: gatrhumpy on February 13, 2014, 09:57:56 AM
Last two links don't work.

here :  http://tycotrain.tripod.com/lifelikemodeltrainscollectorsresource/id9.html
  and http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/id35.html , then  http://www.spookshow.net/h1244.html


TJ
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: Country Joe on February 13, 2014, 03:46:46 PM
I would like to see a New York Central Hudson or a Niagara.
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: brokemoto on February 13, 2014, 11:57:25 PM
Con-Cor sells a J-3a.  There is one with no shroud, one with the Dreyfuss bullet nose and a shovel nose.   The shovel nose is the Dreyfuss bullet nose shell with a shovel nose grafted to it.  There was only one like it, Commodore Vanderbilt.  Funny thing, in the second issue of this, the manufacturer misspelled 'Commodore'.  The manufacturer spelled it CommAdore.   The C-C shovel nose looks nothing like Commodore Vanderbilt did when it had its shovel nose.  It was later given a bullet nose shroud.

There are several different versions of this.  Take a peek at Spookshow's website for reviews on all versions.

There was a brass Niagara or Mohawk out there.  As I recall, it never ran well.  B-mann may have had an HO Niagara, back in the day, but I forget, now.  I seem to recall that it was a Niagara shell that was made to fit on the ATSF 4-8-4 chassis.  They never did do it in N.  For NYCS steam, I would like to see a K-5a, K-6 or K-11.  The first two would make P&LE, B&A, Big Four and P&E modellers happy.  The last was a rather versatile pacific that worked both passenger and freight all over the NYCS, especially on lines in New York State.

The only mass produced NYC specific steam out there, of which I am aware, is the C-C Hudson.  NYCS did operate USRA originals and copies.  There were a few USRA 0-6-0s, many USRA 0-8-0s (and even more copies), USRA light 2-8-2s and USRA 2-10-2s (which, I seem to recall, got sold off to Canada).  P&LE and P-Mickey had USRA heavy 2-8-2s, but those rarely operated anywhere else on the NYCS.  Shortly after USRA control ended, P&LE and P-Mickey swapped out the USRA standard tenders for the larger tenders from the H-8s.  The H-8s did not work out well.  The H-8s that P&LE did not confine to switching service were sold off to short lines and Mejico.  P&LE also moved the air pumps to the pilot deck and put a protective shroud over them.

I am surpised that no one ever did an A-2a, which was ALCo's last US steam.
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: Desertdweller on February 14, 2014, 11:53:35 AM
That Con-Cor (Brand X) shovelnose Hudson would be a good model to represent either of the two streamlined CB&Q Hudsons.

One of them (Big Alice, now "de-streamlined") is on display in LaCrosse, WI.

Les
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: TJ on February 14, 2014, 05:51:11 PM
How about a Standard gauge Shovel nose GE.

TJ
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: James in FL on February 14, 2014, 08:22:44 PM
I don't know,
For steam – Probably something they already make in HO.
Niagara, Berkshire, 2-10-4 etc.

Diesel maybe something we use to have, like the old SD-40.
The recent release of the F7, says maybe an F9.
Maybe the heritage units.
Maybe an early GP.

A WAG at best.
buts it's kinda fun to wish.
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: Mark.S+10 on February 17, 2014, 06:21:19 PM
A 4-6-2 Heavy Pacific with DCC and sound.

Have fun, Mark
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: Desertdweller on February 17, 2014, 07:19:11 PM
I'm all in favor of FM models.  I suggest an H-10-44; H-12-44 (one with early cab, one with late cab), Erie-Built, H-16-44.

You've got two cab variations possible for the Erie-Built.

A long time ago, Atlas offered a Rivarossi-built B-A1A C-Liner.  This had a nice body but only drove through the rear truck.  Not acceptable by today's standards.

Walthers offered (and may still) a B-B trucked C-liner.  Not a bad runner.

There might be a market for the big Trainmaster.

I wish there were more prototypes to model, but FM production didn't last long enough to create more versions.

An ALCO 415 might be a good seller, but it came in two body styles so would be specific to certain roads.

Boxcabs?  There were a lot of builders making them, and they all looked more-or-less alike.  A good call for a generic body.  Maybe something could be made by shortening up the gas-electric.

Les
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: brokemoto on February 18, 2014, 09:24:53 AM
An FM yard goat would not be bad.  As of this posting, there are no up to date FM yard goats, or Lima, for that matter.  The manufacturers have done up to date EMD, ALCo and Baldwin yard goats, but no FM or Lima.  With the exception of the NYCS road switchers, the only diseasels that Lima did build, before the Baldwin-Lima-Hamilton merger, were yard goats.  As only NYCS ran the road switchers, I would expect that if anyone did these, it would be brass.

Life-Like sold Erie builts.  They are hard to find in almost anything except KCS, and you must look even for those.   I forget if WKW announced another run of these, or not.  I even forget if another run from WKW ever appeared.  I know that WKW did do another run of the C-liners.  They did the NYCs in cigar band.  Every once in a while, one, two or three of the Eries will pop up on FeePay.  It starts a bidding/sniping frenzy.  I sold a NYCS A-B pair there a number of years back and got more than twice what I paid for it.  I could not believe it.  The buyer even gave glowing feedback.  I think that I still have one NYCS A and a PRR A-B pair, but I am not sure, anymore.  To look good, these things need at least a fifty car train.  My pike is not large enough.  A fifty car train would fit, but it would look really silly.  I have not even thought of running them for some time.

As for that old RR/Atlas thing, not only was the single powered truck not acceptable, but the motor lasted three months, if you got a good one and those sprung pick-up shoes created a tremendous amount of drag and caused derailments.  The thing had three speeds:  Way-too-fast, Very fast and Not-at-all.  All of the above are unacceptable by to-day's standards.   If I recall correctly, only four roads had the B/A-1-A FM:  NYCS, NYNH&H, LI and CN (or was it CP?--one of the large  Canada roads had it).  Of the three US roads, only LI liked theirs, but they were not in a line of service on the LI that was particullarly demanding.  NYC kept its Stored Serviceable for most of their tenure there.  The crews complained about electrical problems and the opposed piston engine was maintenance-hungry as it was.  Still, if someone did one, I would buy at least one.

Atlas sold the Trainmaster.  They might not have run it for some time, but I expect that it will appear, again.

I could go for a boxcab.  In fact, I bashed a boxcab by butting two front ends of the B-mann doodlebug together.

In addition to what has been cited, N scale still lacks a Baldwin road switcher.
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: TJ on February 18, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
If I do recollect correctly,  I believe
http://www.spookshow.net/locolist.php?diesels=6&steam=1&nonbrass=3&sortby=4&Submit=Submit reviewed these .. However, a

       TJ

FROM spookshow.net below.

C   1967   1950   .   Atlas   Rivarossi (Italy)   Fairbanks-Morse C-Liner
A   2001   1950   .   Life-Like   Life-Like (China)   Fairbanks-Morse C-Liner A & B
A   2006   1950   PNP   Life-Like   Life-Like (China)   Fairbanks-Morse C-Liner A & B
F   1994   1945   .   Con-Cor   Con-Cor/V-Line (China/USA)   Fairbanks-Morse Erie-Built
A   2002   1945   .   Life-Like   Life-Like (China)   Fairbanks-Morse Erie-Built A & B
B   1970   1956   .   Various   Minitrix (Germany)   Fairbanks-Morse H-12-44
A   2000   1953   E   Atlas   Atlas (China)   Fairbanks-Morse H-24-66 Trainmaster
A   2003   1949   E   Atlas   Atlas (China)   Fairbanks-Morse H15-44
A   2003   1949   E   Atlas   Atlas (China)   Fairbanks-Morse H16-44
A   2006   1949   F   Bachmann   Bachmann (China)   Fairbanks-Morse H16-44
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: TJ on February 18, 2014, 10:49:16 AM
Oh, almost forgot... I would like to see BACHMANN produce either the  H-10-44, H-12-44, let's not forget the line of CPA's and CFA's which FM offered. A reintroduction of the old ATLAS / RIVAROSSI  B-A1A FM and the old MINITRIX FM switcher both in DCC and  DCC ready for the Plug -N- Play version wouldn't be that bad. Until then again we have Walthers and the following not to mention countless other sources..

http://www.central-hobbies.com/products/lifeliken.html#CLiner
http://www.truelinetrains.ca/locomotives

                      TJ
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: brokemoto on February 18, 2014, 11:02:26 PM
I had forgotten about the C-C/V-Line Eries.  What is funny about that is that I have a NYCS pair in passenger lightning stripes.  Ol' Spookie gave them an 'F', but mine run well.  I have not run them in some time, but they ran well when I did run them.  To be sure, I ran them on seventeen inch radius curves or better.  Someone, maybe Spookie, mentioned that the front coupler fouled the shell on sharper curves.  I forget, now, I suppose that Spookshow says what it is in his review, but I seem to recall that they are jammed onto either PA or DL-109 chassis.
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: skipgear on February 19, 2014, 12:03:08 AM
My best guess for the next steam:

C&O / NKP Berkshire - Walthers obviously has forgotten that they own the tooling for them and Bachmann already does them in HO and seems to have a soft spot for C&O loco's. I hope for the C&O version, there are plenty of NKP's out there already.

PRR K4 - Lots of pent up demand.

Russian Decapod - Long shot, just to save face on the previously announced model.
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: heintz on February 19, 2014, 04:39:10 PM
Pennsy K4
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: TJ on February 20, 2014, 10:18:02 AM
How about this, Any locomotive which is either DCC  ON BOARD or DCC READY or ready to accept a  DECODER chip as simple as PLUG-N- PLAY version!

       TJ

Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: n-scale chesapeake & ohio on February 24, 2014, 12:01:30 AM
+1 for a K4
Although i would like to see an 0-6-0 with DCC
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: sumfred on February 24, 2014, 12:17:02 PM
It appears that something is happening, as the 4-8-4 Northern, 4-8-2 Light Mountain and the 2-8-0 Consolidation all have disappeared from the Bachmann list on their web-site. They still show them on the steam locomotive overall view but not on the individual engine list. ( "There are no products to list in this category." )
Fred
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: gmhtrains on February 24, 2014, 02:48:51 PM
I am less concerned about new prototype models than about new paint schemes for existing models. Bachmann is one of the few major manufacturers of N scale trains not to have produced any motive power or rolling stock lettered for Mexican railroads. Personally, I would rather see more equipment offered for National Railways of Mexico, FC del Pacifico, Chihuahua al Pacifico, FC Sonora-Baja California, FC Mexicano and Unidos del Sureste (1970's-'80's era) than for today's Ferromex, Ferrosur and KCS de Mexico.

Gil Hulin
Eugene, OR
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: duke2448 on February 27, 2014, 02:25:05 PM
4-6-2 Pacific or 2-8-4 Berkshire Dcc ready or equipped
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: TJ on February 27, 2014, 03:51:54 PM
Quote from: duke2448 on February 27, 2014, 02:25:05 PM
4-6-2 Pacific or 2-8-4 Berkshire Dcc ready or equipped

Duke,  I say any locomotive which is either DCC ON BOARD with or without sound or DCC READY or ready to accept a DECODER chip as simple as PLUG-N- PLAY version. As long as it is reasonably priced!

       TJ
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: skipgear on February 27, 2014, 10:28:35 PM
Quote from: TJ on February 27, 2014, 03:51:54 PM
Quote from: duke2448 on February 27, 2014, 02:25:05 PM
4-6-2 Pacific or 2-8-4 Berkshire Dcc ready or equipped

Duke,  I say any locomotive which is either DCC ON BOARD with or without sound or DCC READY or ready to accept a DECODER chip as simple as PLUG-N- PLAY version. As long as it is reasonably priced!

      TJ

Anything new that comes from Bachmann will have DCC. They have already stated that many times.

Quote from: sumfred on February 24, 2014, 12:17:02 PM
It appears that something is happening, as the 4-8-4 Northern, 4-8-2 Light Mountain and the 2-8-0 Consolidation all have disappeared from the Bachmann list on their web-site. They still show them on the steam locomotive overall view but not on the individual engine list. ( "There are no products to list in this category." )
Fred

It looks like the 4-8-2 Lt. and Heavy, and 2-8-0 are gone. WOW. Distributors are showing them all discontinued. I hope this means there are new replacements announced at this years NMRA show. I'm glad I have a couple of each stashed away. Always wanted a C&O 2-8-0 and never got around to getting one, too late now.

The 4-8-4 Northern has two new versions on the way. The Bachmann product listing is a webstore so it doesn't show items that are not in stock.
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: Mdaskalos on February 27, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Quote from: skipgear on February 27, 2014, 10:28:35 PM


Always wanted a C&O 2-8-0 and never got around to getting one, too late now.



Don't be so sure. trainworldonline.com. I got one around the turn of the new year for eighty bucks. They're still listing them - the latest series, with DCC onboard.

Select Bachmann - Steam locomotive - N Scale. Then go to last listing of last page.
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: Desertdweller on February 27, 2014, 11:15:55 PM
I would really like to see an updated H-12-44.  I've had four Minitrix examples over the past 35 years.
2 UP models I backdated to H-10-44's with the overhanging cab roofs.  I wore these out and bought a third for parts, then pretty much wore the replacement parts out.

Last year, my son bought me an ATSF H-12-44 new old stock.  I modified it with diode-controlled lighting at both ends and it is currently in service.  It should last another 10-15 years.

If I am still alive by then, I'll be looking for another.

Les
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: TJ on February 28, 2014, 09:16:02 AM
Quote from: Desertdweller on February 27, 2014, 11:15:55 PM
I would really like to see an updated H-12-44.  I've had four Minitrix examples over the past 35 years.
2 UP models I backdated to H-10-44's with the overhanging cab roofs.  I wore these out and bought a third for parts, then pretty much wore the replacement parts out.

Last year, my son bought me an ATSF H-12-44 new old stock.  I modified it with diode-controlled lighting at both ends and it is currently in service.  It should last another 10-15 years.

If I am still alive by then, I'll be looking for another.

Les

Les,

   I'LL second that motion.

      TJ
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: inkaneer on May 11, 2014, 03:09:40 PM
Quote from: Mdaskalos on February 27, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Quote from: skipgear on February 27, 2014, 10:28:35 PM


Always wanted a C&O 2-8-0 and never got around to getting one, too late now.



Don't be so sure. trainworldonline.com. I got one around the turn of the new year for eighty bucks. They're still listing them - the latest series, with DCC onboard.

Select Bachmann - Steam locomotive - N Scale. Then go to last listing of last page.

Gee,  I guess I was real fortunate to pick up two of them [with DCC on board] in the last two weeks on that auction site.  Got them for minimum bid of $65.00 each.  Some of the prices there just defy logic.
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: heintz on May 24, 2014, 06:49:43 PM
Obviously, PRR E6 and K4
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: Country Joe on May 27, 2014, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: heintz on May 24, 2014, 06:49:43 PM
Obviously, PRR E6 and K4

Not so obvious to me. I have no interest in either. Whatever they produce, some of us will be happy and some of us won't.

The K4 is a PRR loco. I don't know if Bachmann would sell enough of them to make it worth their while. They did produce a K4 in HO, but the HO market is about 3 times the size of the N scale market. I'd love to see some NYC steam engines but I think generic locos that could be lettered for a number of roads make more sense in our scale. Unfortunately, there's just not enough of us. I don't think we will ever see the road specific steamers like HO has. Of course, I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: LV LOU on June 02, 2014, 07:02:38 PM
How about ANY Baldwin diesel? Besides the Sharks,there's only the Atlas VO-1000,not a single road unit..I know I'm wasting my time,but what screams "Northeast" more than a CNJ Babyface? At least as popular as the Sharks..
Title: Re: What should the next model be from Bachmann?
Post by: gatrhumpy on June 16, 2014, 08:49:47 AM
I would buy, in a heartbeat, an N scale 2-8-4 Berkshire.