Hello Bachmann or Yardmaster
In the online Bachmann store they list a New EMD E7 coming soon with a picture of a O scale model.Are they going to make the B units for them ?Are there any pictures or pre -production photos that can be shared of the actual models?Ii is now may 2016 and they are in the 2016 catalog anything yet??
Thanks,
Johnny Adam
Hi I too am keenly interested in seeing at least a pre production sample of the new E7. How soon can we see that?
It seems by how many times this has been read many are interested ,but it is a mystery to me why this type of a question directly to Bachmann gets ignored after 10 days.Be nice to just get a we cannot or we do not know.Maybe it is the type of question where you must call service or something like that.Any Ideas?
Johnny Adam
Nothing to show at this time. It will only be sold as an A unit.
Thanks, No B units is disappointing when b units are offered for the f7 ,FT and the FA2 .I think many would agree .Would it make a difference if we took a poll since it is still early before there release?Maybe change who ever makes these type of decisions base on potential customer input???
Thanks Again for your time,
Johnny Adam
Yardmaster,
I know other companies will speculate that they'll do a variation on a model if the first sells well enough. Would you be able to speculate that if enough A units are sold, that Bachmann would consider doing the B unit? I ask because too often companies do limited runs of a model without announcing companion models, and it ends up being something I would have bought, if I had known I could get the rest later on....
It might help if I used specifics: For example, Walthers announced their MainLine passenger cars, but I didn't buy because they didn't offer an observation car. Now, they offer an observation car, but they're sold out of the first run of cars. I don't want an A unit, but I might be convinced to buy an A-B-A set (but to be fair, not in the offered road names) :-X
The problem with 'B' units is they don't actually sell that well, at least in HO. At the LHS my repair shop was located at, they started out buying 1 'B' for every 2 'A' units. Two years later almost all the 'B' units were still sitting on the shelf, and an inventory check showed they only sold 1 'B' for every 10 'A' units that went out the door. They finally had a 'B' unit clearance sale to open up the shelf space, and went to "Special Order Only" for 'B' units if they were offered.
Len
How about a packaged power A and dummy b all in one ?
Quote from: brokenrail on December 10, 2015, 03:52:46 AM
How about a packaged power A and dummy b all in one ?
They sold a bit better than just 'B' units by themselves, but people would complain about having to buy the 'B' to get the 'A'. Especially if it was a road that didn't actually have any 'B' units, or very few of them. About the only A/B combo that sold pretty well was the one of the restored "Southern" units.
Len
Didn't Burlington have a stainless steel finished E5? Humm?Who else did the E7 besides previously mentioned? Model power may be one of them.Hope the Bmann didn't acquire there tooling. Ya, um, by the way is this going to be a all new tooled E7 by the Bachmann ????
Johnny Adam
Another reason for a lack of B-units is that passenger B-units didn't sell very well on the prototype, whereas freight B-units sold in much higher numbers. This is partly because a passenger train needs less horsepower to get over the road than a long freight train, and partly because the passenger units in question had more horsepower per unit than their freight counterparts.
Lastly, whereas a freight B-unit could be (relatively) easily tacked on to any freight train consist, a passenger B-unit was only useful on the longest of passenger trains, while a stable of passenger A-units could be used, alone or in sets, on any and all passenger trains. Because of this, you'll such modifications as a Rock Island passenger B-unit with a cab at one end so that when the train split into Denver and Colorado Springs sections they wouldn't need to add an extra locomotive to the mix, CNW converted some ex-UP B-units into commuter locomotives by carving a cab and stubby nose into one end of the units, and then there was Missouri Pacific #7100. Built in 1940 by EMC/EMD, the AA-6 was basically an E6A carbody with one 1000hp engine and an A1A-3 wheel arrangement. In placed of the rear engine (EMD E-units are twin-engined locomotives) the #7100 had a baggage compartment.
Getting back on track, for the curious, here is a listing of EMD and ALCO "covered wagon" freight and passenger units....
| A-units | B-units |
EMD FT | 555 | 541 |
EMD F2 | 74 | 30 |
EMD F3 | 1111 | 696 |
EMD F7 | 2366 | 1483 |
EMD F9 | 99 | 156 |
ALCO FA/FB-1 | 445 | 249 |
ALCO FA/FB-2 | 334 | 194 |
EMD E3 | 17 | 2 |
EMD E4 | 14 | 5 |
EMD E5 | 11 | 5 |
EMD E6 | 91 | 26 |
EMD E7 | 428 | 82 |
EMD E8 | 450 | 46 |
EMD E9 | 100 | 44 |
ALCO DL-103~110 | 74 | 4 |
ALCO PA/PB-1 | 169 | 39 |
ALCO PA/PB-2 | 81 | 8 |
Any actual pics we can look at since it is in the 2016 catalog but ???
Johnny
Regarding the ALCO DL's in Piyer's list, the four "B" units were one DL-108 owned by the AT&SF, and two DL-108's and one DL-110 owned by the Southern.
60 of the 74 "A" units were DL-109's owned by the New Haven. GM&O and Southern owned 1 DL-109 each, the other 12 "A" units were primarly DL-107's, with a smattering of DL-105's and one DL-103b.
Len
Asking for a update on releasing some pics for the New E7 .It has been a few months from what we were told before. Just Curious.
Johnny
Not yet.
Yardmaster ,
Are they still expected in 2016? Should I assume that since there are not any actual photos of the E7 along with the rest of the Norfolk Southern Heritage diesels that they have not even been made?Just Curious how that works since they are both in the catalog for 2016.
Johnny
If Bachmann is going to build E-7s in HO, how about doing some in N scale?
Les
N scale has been underserved for decades. After working in N scale since 1978, this is the first time I have ever heard a complaint that N scale is getting the good stuff while HO is getting short shrift. You must be kidding.
Pick up a Walthers sale catalogue and compare the N scale offerings to the HO. And consider how many of the N scale structures and vehicles are of European or Japanese design.
N scale is still way behind HO in availability of North American items. Model a period operation and the situation becomes more acute. HO has about anything one could want, and always has. HO has plenty of E units, from brass to plastic. It has been only fairly recently that we have has early E units available in N. It seems to me HO has an embarrassment of riches.
Les
What's wrong with this picture?
HO scale e7 announcement I was excited and interested.
O scale pictures?
Long wait...
cold, short or no answers from Bachmann...
This thread is getting off topic and or going in another direction>>>>>>>
I mean, pre production art work would have been better than the 0 Scale representation.....
At this point I'm not interested anymore
??? :-[ #frustrated
We just approved the paint samples which means they are in production - shouldn't be much longer.
Yardmaster,
Are the Norfolk Southern Heritage Diesels.I mean the rest of them in the works also? Those drawings in the catalog are getting pretty worn out.Like to see the real deal also. Getting close to the end of summer.
Johnny
Recently received production samples of the Heritage units - they will be shipping to us very soon.
Hay Yardmaster,
Is the second run of the NS Heritage diesels going to have any upgrades from the previous run?Working dtch lights would be a winner.
Johnny