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Title: F3-A Diesel
Post by: bwalm on December 04, 2015, 12:10:57 PM
I just recently purchased a Williams F3 Diesel A-A set from Train World. The unit is a Baltimore and Ohio 20190. The train runs great but the horn sound is very weak and needs to be activated a couple times before it will sound. I am using a conventional transformer that does not have a bell button, it only has a horn button. Is this a problem that can be corrected and/or do I need an upgrade over my older transformer? Also, the color scheme is great and is there a B unit available to match the engines? The passenger cars are also B&O by Williams and the train would look even better with a B unit. And when was this unit manufactored, I do not see it on your website.......thanks for your anticipated help on these questions..................Bill Walter.       


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: bwalm on December 04, 2015, 12:50:32 PM
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Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: Country Joe on December 05, 2015, 12:19:05 AM
Hi Bill, I don't know if a B unit is available from WBB but I'm answering so you know we are seeing this. I assume someone will know if a B unit was ever made by WBB.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: bwalm on December 05, 2015, 08:47:03 AM
Thanks, this was my first use of this website and I was not exactly sure if anyone would answer. Hopefully, someone at Williams will be able to answer my questions........bw.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: 671 on December 05, 2015, 01:59:51 PM
Hi bwalm,
          
             671 here.

             Yes they did make a B unit for that F3 A-A Baltimore set. I too purchased my A-A plus B unit from TRAINLAND about two years ago. Great sale price........ < $ 200.00 for all three units A-B-A.

             The horn challenge is probably that the loco is so efficient, that you are running it at a low track voltage. I.e. 6-8 volts or less. The Horn/Bell activation at the lower track voltage is marginal.

             One very simple remedy is to change the motor wiring, within the power unit, from a parallel wiring to a series wiring. This allows you to increase track voltage without creating an over-speed condition of the loco. ( More scale like speed and brighter lighting plus a more positive horn activation )

             Joe Satnik, on this website, has the detailed wiring change. Reach out to him for help.

             I have used this parallel to series set-up on all of my dual motored Williams locos with excellent results. The loco is no longer super sensitive to small throttle advancements, brighter lighting within the cab, and instant horn response. I am using post war ZW 275 watt transformer.

             Hi Joe, could you please help this fellow?

              Don't forget, when you run your Steamers..."Smokem if you Gottem!"

                                             Merry Christmas...671


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: bwalm on December 05, 2015, 02:22:46 PM
671, thanks for the response. If you purchased all 3 units for that price, you got a great deal! I guess the best thing for me to do is to call TW and see if the B unit is available. I live in Baltimore and my great grandfather, grandfather and father were all train engineers for the B&O, so when I see B&O, I go for it! My Great Grandfather engineered the great passenger trains between DC, Baltimore and Chicago way back when. As far as modifying the engine, not sure I would like to do that, your comment about the power supply is probably the issue, my track needs a good cleaning, it is up all year and this may be the problem. But, the bell does not sound, will have to figure that one out. Thanks again for your response and have a very Merry Christmas.............................bw.     


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: bwalm on December 10, 2015, 01:24:24 PM
Comment: Does anyone from Bachmann read these messages? You would think that if a customer who just purchased a Williams F-3 diesel and wants to know if a B unit is available would appreciate the business and provide information as to the availability of such a unit. If not, ok and I will move on. But some of my earlier questions about the weak horn and bell should be answered by the company that makes the product, don't you think? The customer service needs improvement.   


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: the Bach-man on December 10, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
Dear bwalm,
As far as I know these locos are out of stock in Philly, but are likely available from a dealer somewhere.
Technical issues are usually addressed by 3 Rail, who is currently in Hong Kong. I'm sure he will respond upon his return.
Have fun!
the Bach-man


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: bwalm on December 12, 2015, 10:39:04 AM
OK thanks, when you say " locos" do you mean specifically the B unit or the set as a whole, still can not get a clear answer.  The B unit is not motorized and is not defined as a locomotive. And the only technical help available is in Hong Kong, are you kidding me? Is this where the trains are manufactured?


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: Country Joe on December 15, 2015, 02:17:39 PM
Bill, even though the B unit is a dummy it's still called a locomotive.

All Bachmann trains are manufactured in China. I don't know if their factory is in Hong Kong but it's definitely in China.

Hope this helps to clear things up for you.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: phillyreading on December 18, 2015, 09:59:25 PM
The term locomotive applies to any train engine as it is just another name for an engine, just like you might call a young man a boy or kid.

From what I am reading "the Bach-man" is telling you that the person, 3 Rail, who normally handles the issue is in Hong Kong away from the corporate office in the USA.

Lee F.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: bluedragon on January 03, 2016, 11:48:04 PM
I also have an F3 Diesel Atlantic Coast Line 20702.  I ran it using a 40 powermax transformer with bell and horn, but it ran very slow and the bell and horn was very very quiet, I then ran it using a Lionel 1033 90 watt transformer and it ran great, but because it has no bell or horn I could not test that. Can someone tell me a good transformer to use with this Diesel.?


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: Chessie1971 on January 04, 2016, 02:40:50 AM
Williams 80watt transformer.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: phillyreading on January 05, 2016, 06:20:28 PM
I also have an F3 Diesel Atlantic Coast Line 20702.  I ran it using a 40 powermax transformer with bell and horn, but it ran very slow and the bell and horn was very very quiet, I then ran it using a Lionel 1033 90 watt transformer and it ran great, but because it has no bell or horn I could not test that. Can someone tell me a good transformer to use with this Diesel.?

The Williams or Atlas 80 watt transformer would be the first choice and an MTH Z-1000 would make a second good choice.
My personal opinion is not to use a CW-80 with any engines other then Lionel.

Lee F.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: bluedragon on March 05, 2016, 01:25:20 AM
Well, I finally have time to order a MTH Z-1000 transformer to try the horn and bell on the Williams Diesel 20702, and
i have to turn the  power down on the transformer and then i can barely hear the bell and horn. The transformer is putting out
100 watts but running the diesel at 3/4 speed i cannot hear the bell or horn... any ideas pls.
Also, how do in get in touch with  Joe Satnik on this board so that i can check out a solution posted by 671.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: phillyreading on March 06, 2016, 04:55:43 PM
You need to take the shell off the diesel engine that has the sound unit inside and look for a small adjusting switch or volume pot.(potentiameter) to turn, it looks like you can put a small flat tip screwdriver inside it. If it don't adjust at first you may have to clean the contact area on the switch.

I had one that nearly blew me out of the room and had to turn the volume down.

Lee F.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: bluedragon on March 13, 2016, 07:37:00 AM
Thanks, i found the potentiameter and adjusted the sound.... sounds like yuk !!!
Has anyone tried replacing the speaker or know of a replacement speaker that doesnt sound like
sound is  coming through a  shredded piece of paper !! 
Anyone have the specs on the speaker particularly the OHM rating ??

Thanks.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: phillyreading on March 14, 2016, 01:34:56 PM
You have to clean the potentiameter's area really good(may have to clean the area 2 or 3 times) or it will sound like garbage. WBB uses a lot of wax or something on the pot. area to keep the contacts from corroding.
The speakers are either 8 ohm or 16 ohm, these are the most common speakers in use for miniature apps.

Lee F.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: bluedragon on March 15, 2016, 02:48:14 AM
The Potentiameter is not adjustable by a screwdriver and looks like a donut with a ring around it that can only be adjusted
by pushing on the ring, like pushing on a cog.  Also, it is located low on the sound board which is stood up on its thin end and the screwed into the chassis. Another words, it's difficult to adjust much less trying to somehow clean it. What do you suggest I try to clean it with, Alcohol ??

Thanks.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: phillyreading on March 15, 2016, 01:39:23 PM
To clean the potentiameter metal; I use alcohol on a Q-tip and lightly rub the wax off it.
You may need a jeweler's screw driver to adjust the potentiameter, I have used a very small needle nose pliers.
I keep some small tools on hand because I do H.O. race cars and repairs as well as O gauge trains, got hooked on H.O. race cars many years ago.

Lee F.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: bluedragon on March 15, 2016, 09:32:50 PM
Thanks, I will give it a try.


Title: Re: F3-A Diesel
Post by: 671 on March 23, 2016, 04:34:48 PM
671 Here,

           Use the "Search" box from the above choices. Type in "Series wiring mod" By Joe Satnik.

His post should come up. It is very detailed on the how to change the WBB Dual motor units from parallel to series wiring.
You will be very pleased with the outcome.

                                              671 ... WHOOOO! WHOOOO!