I run nothing but steam engines on my railroad. Always have, always will.
How many others here have an all steam railroad, and why?
I've always liked steam because you can see all the moving parts. Diesels are like watching a cracker box move.
The sounds of a steam loco getting up to speed is so much more appealing than a diesel that just makes a louder humming noise as it increases speed.
*raises hand, but not very high*
Currently my On30 layout only has a Porter, but I love watching the side rods of steam locomotives as they run.
While steam locomotives are my favorite form of rail power, I admit that I'd like my track cleaning cars to be powered by a gas-mechanical critter with side rods, and I also want a railtruck for whimsy.
I'll hold up my hand. All the major motive power is steam, both rod and geared. There is also a gas-electric car and some small MOW rail critters.
I'll allow a doodlebug exception ,
I'll also say that those of us of a certain age remember working steam on the railroad very well. My daddy, who was kind of a railfan and had a couple of railroad contracts, told me to look at them closely because pretty soon they'd be going away. I did. And to this day haven't gotten over their being gone.
No diesel will ever polish a rail on my layout. There will be no "transition."
Quote from: Trainman203 on November 18, 2016, 03:29:57 PM
I'll also say that those of us of a certain age remember working steam on the railroad very well. My daddy, who was kind of a railfan and had a couple of railroad contracts, told me to look at them closely because pretty soon they'd be going away. I did. And to this day haven't gotten over their being gone.
No diesel will ever polish a rail on my layout. There will be no "transition."
Not even as a cheap 'maintenance' or 'inspection' loco? Those are the purposes of my non-steams.
In the interest of full disclosure, I do "own" several vintage period diesels, but they run on other layouts, not the Midland Western.
As I model 1958, I'm still mainly steam, though diesels have taken over the major passenger runs and the run through freights.
Steam handles the Montreal commuter trains along with a pair of RDCs. A doodlebug handles the branch passenger with steam on the wayfreight. Interchange along the branch to the CPR are steam while CNR diesels now handle the CNR interchange run along the same branch. The daily wayfreight and interchange run down to the D&H and CV are still steam hauled. The daily Montreal - Megantic passenger is still hauled by steam as are the way freights east and west of the main yard in Farnham Junction.
Cheers
Roger T.
For me steam has always been a curiosity. The diesels have always done the heavy lifting. There is a reason they replaced steam. I think most of us want to model the things we remember. for me, steam was long gone but alcos were common. so, that is what I prefer. does this make modelling steam railroading wrong in my eyes? definitely not, if that's your thing go with it. But I personally want something I have experienced. I can't put things in proper perspective if I've never witnessed it.
What killed the steam locomotive was the cost of operation. Water tanks every 40 miles, fuel stations every 100 miles. The cost of hauling coal or oil. Cost for this and the cost for that.
Plus the engines had to be changed every 150 miles or so , then go in for a day of maintenance like boiler washing and tightening everything back up before they would go out again. This is how division points got spaced, and why so many went away at the end of steam.
The spacing of division points had more to do with what constituted a "working day" for the road crews. In the steam days (and early diesel days, too) union agreements generally set 100 miles and/or 16 hours as a working day. This was sometimes referred to as the "hog law". 100 miles in 16 hours works out to a little more than 6 miles per hour. This sounds real slow, but the local way freight could kill a couple of hours at each town working the various indutries. They may run at 30 mph between those towns, but the over-the-road time was slower. One reason passenger service was such high seniority is that the crews might hit that 100 mile mark in a couple of hours and their "day" was done. Modern steam didn't really need much at the end of a run besides fuel and water. An ash dump too, if coal fired. Unless the crews noted something needed attention, the hostlers could turn an engine around to the ready track in a couple of hours.
What is a diesel? I don't even like steam engines built after WW 11 - too modern.
Quote from: Trainman203 on November 21, 2016, 01:34:50 PM
Plus the engines had to be changed every 150 miles or so , then go in for a day of maintenance like boiler washing and tightening everything back up before they would go out again. This is how division points got spaced, and why so many went away at the end of steam.
Not really. At a division point, as
EBTNUT
has already pointed out, a team of hostlers could turn a loco around in a couple of hours ready for its next run. Boiler washouts were scheduled and were not done everyday. Ditto for other forms of scheduled maintenance. All that was done on a daily basis were minor repairs-adjustments as noted by the engineer.
For locally assigned engines, on my GER, boiler washout days are noted on the engine's waybill card, along with what trains it is scheduled to work, so every once in a while that loco has to be stabled in stall number one in the roundhouse for an ops session for a boiler washout and scheduled maintenance. It's then the responsibility of the roundhouse foreman to select a standby engine to cover that engines duties for the day.
Of course, this doesn't effect through freight engines as they are not locally assigned.
Add more interest and realism to an ops sessions.
Cheers
Roger T.
The division for passenger trains was either 150 or 200 miles.
Quote from: RAM on November 22, 2016, 10:05:02 PM
The division for passenger trains was either 150 or 200 miles.
Could only happen at a division point and they were between 100 and 125 miles apart.
Cheers
Roger T.
Not every road had what would be called " modern steam". The NO&NE, the T&NO east of Houston, and the L&N east of New Orleans never had the best and newest power, but rather the oldest and lightest because of local track conditions and also because they were somewhat the stepchildren of management. Nothing with a 4 wheel trailing truck ever ran on those lines. Old heads from the L&N and T&NO all told me what maintenance hogs steam engines were. One i knew very well and rode with often.
Maybe those big modern engine terminals way up east could flip an engine in a couple of hours but i don't think it really happened much down here much. And changing engines on trains at division points for maintenance reasons was the norm. If not, why the roundhouse at every one?
It might seem odd to some, but railroading after 1966 is the curiosity for me. That was the year I became non involved with railroading for many reasons, and did not look at trains for 40 years. Curiosities to me include roller bearing trucks on everything, no roof walks or ladders on cars, low nose road switchers, 6 axle road engines, no cabooses, Amtrak trains, welded rail, concrete slabs in towns instead of depots, ROW without telephone poles, etc. In other words, modern railroading is a curiosity to me.
I basically model the past because it is what is familiar to me. In years past I'd go down to the railroad to see action and just soak up an incredible and historical environment ..... but ..... for me, it just ain't there no' mo'.
Steam. Because diesels hadn't made it into the backwoods of Oregon and Washington states, on narrow gauge lines, in the 1920's. :-)
Steve Magee
On30 Lumber Mountain RR
Newcastle NSW Aust
Guess I'm the odd man out.
My 'KL&B Eastern Lines Railroad Museum' has lots of steam, but it's set in the modern era. While steam was still around when I was a kid, the only time my daughter, and now my grandkids, ever saw steam was at a railroad museum. But they think the diesels are pretty cool. So to keep everybody happy, I have the "museum" for my steam, and the mainline for their diesels.
Len