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Title: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 20, 2017, 08:13:58 PM
Here's the official thread to discuss your thoughts on the upcoming HO Scale Paxton model.

They used to announce at least two engines in HO Scale a year, but lately, they've only been announcing one a year. I think we can blame economics for that. Not just that, but they haven't made any tender engines since Donald and Douglas. Nowadays, we just get tank engines and diesel shunters. We still have yet to get a diesel who ISN'T a shunter, like Daisy. Not saying the announcements were bad though. No no no. They were good.

I think choosing Paxton was an economical decision, for obvious reasons. They could be saving Sidney for the next time they need to do something like this.

I'm not against Paxton at all. I'm actually really looking forward to him. Paxton fans can finally get their hands on a model of him without going through the trouble of modelling. Paxton is one of those NON-antagonistic diesels. After Paxton, the only Diesel clone left would be Sidney. I don't see them making Splodge anytime soon, due to the fact that they're one-offs, but, Bachmann sometimes surprises us, after all, we're getting the Spiteful Brakevan in Large Scale, a Season 2 character, only speaking in one episode. I still wouldn't really expect the Splodge pair anytime soon.

Share your excitement, and your thoughts.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: JLK2707 on February 21, 2017, 08:38:56 AM
Indeed. Another option is to make Sidney yourself if you want to.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: sean1994rail on February 21, 2017, 09:08:40 AM
Indeed. Another option is to make Sidney yourself if you want to.
Only trouble with that in Sidney's case, is getting the face. Sidney has no trackmaster model which it's face would be the right size, unlike his wooden and take-n-play versions, which are considerably underscale.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 21, 2017, 01:41:38 PM
Diesel's tooling is definitely the most versatile in the Thomas line.

Since products kept getting delayed left and right, Bachmann has to take things lightly this year.

I think when they run out of Diesel recolors, and they need to do recolors again, they could do things like black James or LBSC Thomas from The Adventure Begins, or for Narrow Gauge, Smudger. Yes, all of them appeared in only one production, but, so did Spiteful Brakevan, who's really the Large Scale Brakevan with a RWS style face. Unsure about them making Splodge though.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: MeganekkoFury1126 on February 21, 2017, 05:38:47 PM
Considering anything related to Thomas and the Magic Railroad is considered taboo today, and the fact that Diesel 10 or even Lady haven't been brought into Bachmann's conception, Splatter and Dodge being made sounds like one in a million shot.

Do kids in this generation even know who they are?...


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 21, 2017, 08:51:16 PM
Considering anything related to Thomas and the Magic Railroad is considered taboo today, and the fact that Diesel 10 or even Lady haven't been brought into Bachmann's conception, Splatter and Dodge being made sounds like one in a million shot.

Do kids in this generation even know who they are?...

That's exactly why I don't expect them, even if they are Diesel recolors. The movie itself wasn't even good either. Splatter and Dodge are out of the question. If anyone wants them, they're gonna have to modify Bachmann Diesel. A few modellers have done that.

If any other Diesel recolor has a chance at this point, it's Sidney.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: Metal on February 22, 2017, 12:25:54 AM
I think we aren't gonna see another Class 08 for a while, I mean sure Sidney has broken his silence when Brenner and his team took over, even given his own episode but he's not prominent to where he has enough of a wide appeal, especially when compared to the most recent characters like Ryan and Philip even though their debuts were much latter than Sidney they've already had quite the exposure to where they already have a decent amount of appeal.

As for my thoughts on Paxton. Well, I'll say is that I will consider getting him, given how much I enjoy him as a character in the show. :)


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 22, 2017, 12:54:34 AM
I think we aren't gonna see another Class 08 for a while, I mean sure Sidney has broken his silence when Brenner and his team took over, even given his own episode but he's not prominent to where he has enough of a wide appeal, especially when compared to the most recent characters like Ryan and Philip even though their debuts were much latter than Sidney they've already had quite the exposure to where they already have a decent amount of appeal.

As for my thoughts on Paxton. Well, I'll say is that I will consider getting him, given how much I enjoy him as a character in the show. :)

It's true that Sidney still hasn't had as much appeal as Paxton, but you never know the next time Bachmann has to take it lightly.

It really would be interesting if Bachmann were to make Ryan, a more recent CGI character, but he's a LIKEABLE one, like Paxton. Their voices are almost identical, as Ryan and Paxton are both voiced by Steven Kynman.

Philip on the other hand, is a rather questionable character. Sure, he's annoying, but when you think about it, he's not as annoying as Charlie, or the DREADED LOGGING LOCOS. Philip doesn't tell stupid jokes, nor is he that clumsy. He just goes on and on about the time he had beat Gordon in a race, despite Gordon not joining in. Philip really needs to shut up about it, I will say that. If Bachmann ever does announce Philip, I'm worried about backlash. Though, since he's small and boxy, he'd be simple to make.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: Chaz on February 22, 2017, 08:07:01 PM
Sidney's usage is pretty minimal compared to Paxton, so I don't necessarily think that the odds would really be in his favor.  If by chance it takes them a while to get Paxton out, I would honestly rather see them skip doing another engine in HO altogether and instead focus more on narrow gauge next year.

I think Paxton will turn out great, it's nice finally see Bachmann do a post season 7 character that fans actually like.  As I said earlier, I usually don't collect newer characters but I might make an exception for Paxton.  I never even cared for Arry and Bert either after their role in Stepney Gets Lost which is why I never bothered to get their models either.  I wouldn't be surprised if Paxton by himself did better than 'Arry and Bert combined.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 22, 2017, 08:45:06 PM
I guess those are good points about Sidney. He still hasn't had as much general usage as Paxton, and only now, he is slowly picking up. He needs more than just one episode in order to get the appeal he needs. I can't really argue with that. Still, Sidney's chances are MUCH higher than Splatter and Dodge will ever be. Unlike them, at least Sidney is a CGI character that kids would be familiar with. At least Sidney isn't a one-off character.

Will Paxton outsell 'Arry and Bert combined? I sure hope so. 'Arry and Bert did sub-par in sales.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: DrNickRiviera995 on December 29, 2017, 08:44:49 AM
Is this still coming out?  I don't see it listed on the website here.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on December 29, 2017, 06:24:24 PM
This thread needed a bump, since it is still relevant.

Paxton's image might get revealed in February, around the 2018 announcements. Rosie's image was revealed around this year's announcements.

Paxton's release will most likely be in summer, or at a stretch, spring.

Hopefully, he will have painted metal siderods. Plastic wouldn't be very strong.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: DrNickRiviera995 on December 29, 2017, 08:45:44 PM
Thanks for the reply.  Could we assume the same timeframe for Duncan then also?

Sorry for dumb questions, kinda fell out of intrest for a couple years and I'm figuring out what's been new to the line the past couple days.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: Chaz on December 29, 2017, 11:00:12 PM
Duncan has never been announced or confirmed.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: DrNickRiviera995 on December 30, 2017, 05:50:43 AM
Sorry, meant Rusty.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: Plow Bender on January 14, 2018, 01:39:10 PM
I'm going to be honest and say that I'm actually surprised we haven't seen or heard anything on Rusty by now.  I was kind of hoping we'd see something like a prototype of the model last year, but in reality I was thinking Bachmann would have at least given us some kind of update.  Then again, Rheneas and the new Ventilated Vans started shipping without notice from Bachmann, and the only thing they really did update us on was the poor excuse of a redesigned James model.  Personally I've got a feeling we'll probably see or hear something about Rusty come the 2018 announcements.

-Rusty


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: Sparks on January 14, 2018, 02:00:48 PM
We'll most likely find out at Toy Fair next month.

Dunno if it's just me, but I feel like it has been taking longer for prototypes of the newest engines to surface than it has in past years. As long as the products turn out accurate, the wait tends to be worth it.

Course in some cases like Toad, it never hurts to do some research beyond "it looks like the CGI model in the show", since the animation team themselves have made some glaring issues with the returning characters models (and they have stated awareness of this on Twitter), but I digress. The only other characters in the near future this could be an issue for are Sir Handel and Duncan (especially Duncan).


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TrainshockeylifE on January 14, 2018, 03:43:28 PM
Iím surprised they havenít put rusty on the website or Paxton


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: Chaz on January 14, 2018, 07:39:39 PM
The only reason why I would think that they haven't shown a lot of the new products that got announced last year is because they want to wait until they have official images of the new products rather than the illustrations that are used in the catalog.  This is pretty much the case for the vent vans that got announced last year.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on January 22, 2018, 06:21:11 AM
There's a very good chance Paxton's image will get revealed sometime next month. Either his image will be posted a few days before the announcements like Rosie, or he'll get revealed in the 2018 catalog. 'Arry and Bert weren't revealed until the 2014 catalog was released.

EDIT (to avoid double-posting):
Now that February has arrived, Paxton's image might be revealed any day now, and I know I've said that several times already. I'm excited for it, and I'm really getting anxious to see him. Will his siderods be painted metal, or plastic? We'll know the answer very soon. Paxton's siderods gained a metallic hue as of Season 19, while Sidney's are still the same bright red.

By the end of the month, we should hopefully get images of the rest of the products that were announced last year, or at least see them on display at the Toy Fair.

Summer is usually when delayed products get released. Who knows? Paxton might get in stock at other online shops before Bachmann even announces his arrival. Rheneas, and the HO Vent Vans share that dilemma. The same could happen to Paxton.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: InsideTrack on February 22, 2018, 03:41:19 PM
I'm ready for my close-up now.
https://flic.kr/p/24wmDQy


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: Chaz on February 22, 2018, 03:48:53 PM
And that's another model I'll be adding to my collection soon!  Thanks for the update :)


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on February 22, 2018, 04:59:47 PM
It's amazing how some of the smallest changes can make a huge difference  :).


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on February 22, 2018, 06:08:10 PM
Straight into my collection he goes... once he's in stock!

He might show up on other sites before Bachmann officially announces his arrival.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: Chaz on June 02, 2018, 01:08:02 AM
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Well, my Paxton model is here. Trainworld seems to do an excellent job of shipping things out quickly.  He sold out fast over there too.  A huge thank you to their wonderful customer service and fast shipping too, getting here a day earlier than anticipated.  Of course as per usual here are my thoughts on this new model:

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Talk about a character who quite literally went far. This is a character who is originally made just as a background character with no real personality or much of the following, aside from toy sales. However, when Blue Mountain mystery rolled around and his personality was a lot more fleshed out and was given more of a purpose than the rest of the characters from the "Miller era", he became a popular character almost instantly. This was even proven even further by his regular appearances since King of the Railway and season 17. When Paxton was first introduced on the show, if you had told me that he deserved a Bachmann model, I would've told you that you were crazy. However, now that the character is more fleshed out, he seems to be a lot more of a natural addition into the range. If anything I would argue that Paxton should have joined the range even sooner, right after Oliver to be exact, but unfortunately a stupid lavender tank engine was in the way of that oneÖ

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Of course, his popularity was not the only reason alone that he got made.  It's no secret, he's a re-color of the diesel tooling.  He was made more or less for economical reasons, and as we look even further into the model, we will be able to see why.  Despite this, I feel like now though would be a good time to stop with the Diesel recolors, especially when releasing a "Grumpy Diesel" model.  Regardless, the Paxton model is simple, yet effective. There is a lot to be said about this model, rather than just saying it is a re-color of the Diesel tooling.

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Paxton is the first of many things for the range, besides the fact that he is the first character from the CGI series to be introduced in HO, he is the first engine to have side rods of a different color -  bronze.  Now, the diesel and the Arry and Bert models were left unpainted to match their classic model look (despite faces coming from the CG era).  However, unlike those diesels, the siderod colors on Paxton have been more consistent. As a result, they were painted in the appropriate bronze color (though it would look even more accurate with some weathering).  It gets a solid thumbs up in my book for remembering that minor detail.  Hopefully if Bachmann makes Stepney it will be nice to see the model get red siderods too.

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I also love the small detail of painting his rear bufferbeam black.  This was something that was a small detail but not really noticeable unless you look carefully.  Bachmann could have easily painted the rear bufferbeam orange for consistency's sake, but instead they went the extra mile and added that extra detail.  Kudos to Bachmann for that one as I didn't know this originally when I first got the model.

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Almost everything else on the model though, is aesthetically the same on the Diesel apart from the face, which I will talk about in a minute, and the paintwork. The Diesel model has always had a great amount of detail for matching up with was seen in the television series.  I feel like the Diesel model and his recolors (and Oliver too) are easily the most detailed models in the Bachmann Thomas HO scale line.

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And yes Jay, the windows on Paxton are silver.  As they are with all the other diesels in the range.  This is nothing new for Bachmann and it will never change.  Deal with it. :P

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But now it's time to address the elephant in the room, something that people have talked about on numerous occasions before both in and out of the forum - the face.  A lot of people have complained about Paxton's face looking too big, and while I can see where they are coming from it doesn't bother that much.  It's definitely understandable why people are put off, but is it worth not buying the model?  Honestly? No, and anyone who thinks otherwise is majorly over-reacting. 

But then comes the question, why is the face plate as a whole is so wide in the first place?  After some examination, I can gladly answer this for you.

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After taking off the face from the model, you can see that this is literally the exact same diesel model from before repainted.  A no-brainer right?  But wait there's more!

The hole in the model with the eye mechanism fits the Diesel face perfectly, while the face for Paxton on the show is much too narrow and wouldn't fit in the gap on the body shell properly.  So, Bachmann decided to take the easier route with Paxton where instead of messing with the eye mechanism and making an entire new tooling for the model so the smaller face could fit the body better, Bachmann went the cheaper/cost-effective route and just made the faceplate on Paxton a little wider than it should, which explained the glaring error on the prototype model.  It's definitely better than the earlier prototype that was revealed and I'm glad they didn't go that route. 

With 'Arry and Bert, this was a non-issue since the faces were just the right size, if not bigger than Diesel's, to make the eye mechanism work on the model.  For Paxton though, Bachmann had to do the same thing, because they had to keep the eye mechanism intact on the model (it's the main gimmick of the Bachmann range).  For smaller models like the narrow gauge engines or Winston, the mechanism would have been too small and fiddly to add, but for a standard gauge engine, this was something Bachmann had to do and had no real control over.   It was either this, or they would've had to retool the entire Diesel body again to make Paxton's small face fit on the model.  You tell me what the better approach is.  (Honestly, it's a no-brainer.)  Again, in my opinion, it's an overreaction to turn down this model because of the face.  It's certainly better than putting a Trackmaster face on a Bachmann Diesel, which honestly looks a lot worse than the Bachmann face does.

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I can't really say this is Bachmann's fault entirely considering their track record and their cost in production, so I won't hold it against them.  I'm not even going to point fingers at Mattel for this one either.  Especially since this has been a requested model for a long time, and Bachmann had to take the cheaper route in order to make this model work because there's no getting around the recent budget fans have witnessed from Bachmann in the last year or so.  So, whether you choose to blame this on the eye mechanism gimmick that Bachmann offers their models, or the fact that Bachmann has been running on more of a budget in recent years, is entirely up to how you choose to view it.  I'm personally relieved that this model at least still got released regardless of what was going against it. The fact that the large scale Diesel got canceled further proves my point.

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All right, now moving on from the face, time to talk about everything else that this model has to offer, such as the motor and running quality. If you liked the Diesel model and appreciated it's slow and accurate speed and decent hauling power, you will definitely like what you see in Paxton. The model offers the exact same performance with no real difference between the two.  It's a smooth and sturdy runner, and will look great running on your layout, especially with your narrow gauge engines.  Paxton's always had a lot of appeal as a character and his Bachmann model would still carry that appeal in your collection.

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I also found myself having fun running him at the back sections of the layout shunting instead of pulling trains around the main loops at my layout (or in this photos case, giving Gordon a push).  His basis is a shunter in real life, and as well on the show but regardless of how you use Paxton he would still look great on anyone's Thomas layout. 

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Overall, whether you look at this model as simple a simple yet effective viewpoint or lazy recolor with a questionable production choice, you cannot deny the fact that Bachmann once again listened to the fans and made a character who in my opinion, was done almost the exact same way I expected Bachmann to do him.  The pros on this model certainly outweigh the one con everyone keeps talking about with this model, and it's great to have him in my collection.  It comes highly recommended by me if you are a fan of the character or if you are a collector of models from this range.  This is easily an improvement over the Rosie model and the James revision - no contest.  It's a model I'm glad I picked up, and I think fans who buy will also buy this model will be happy with what they got.  Thank you Bachmann for pulling this model off, looking forward to getting Rusty and the HO spiteful brake van next!

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It's nice having Paxton working with the narrow gauge engines... but at the same time, I can't help but feel that while it's nice having a green diesel in the range that perhaps next year a certain green narrow gauge engine joins the range next year...? ;)


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: Sparks on June 02, 2018, 01:48:36 AM
The fact that they went the easy route with the face is disappointing to me. The large amount of green plastic around his face, going all the way up to the piping around his face is very noticeable. I feel like this could've been a home run hit if they had taken the extra effort to change the eye mechanism to match his face better, but they didn't.

I feel like this is gonna have to be a model I'll end up getting when I'm in a good mood, but as of right now I'm definitely not feeling that face, and the "faceplate" method they went with it, especially when Arry and Bert have larger faces than their counterparts, but lack that jarring plastic. It's a shame since this is a model they definitely put a good effort into the paintjob, but my personal opinion is the facejob was an absolute dud.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: DinoNTrains on June 02, 2018, 06:34:51 AM
Excellent review, Chaz! It makes me want to get the Bachmann Paxton even more. Also, I agree with you about the face. I'm not that bothered by it either.

P. S. I love how some of your shots are remakes of episodes with Paxton in them.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on June 02, 2018, 05:02:47 PM
I was right. Paxton started showing up on other sites before Bachmann officially announced his arrival. I'm not buying just yet, but I will sometime soon.

As for Sidney, it would be very difficult to get his face right, especially using the exact same eye mechanism. The top part is rounded, but Bachmann could just put a painted frame around it to cover the gaping hole behind the face. Of course, his face would also need to be stretched a little, like Paxton's was to fit the eye mechanism.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: angelob6660 on June 03, 2018, 02:03:11 AM
I liked your review also Chaz. I agree with you the face plate doesn't really bother me.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: Metal on June 04, 2018, 09:10:57 PM
I'll say for a repaint, I would consider Paxton worth it's value, in comparison. Yeah the face might be.....big as most would say, but it doesn't seem too bad. Given how I enjoy the character in the show, this is something I would definitely pick up.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TerencetheTractor525 on June 05, 2018, 10:29:40 AM
As always, a pleasure to read your thoughts Chaz! This is a model that I will definitely pick up at some point. However, I'm still on same page as the majority of people who have stated that Bachmann should go for Stepney or Daisy next, rather than making yet another diesel with the same tooling.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: Rodimus Supreme on June 05, 2018, 01:08:46 PM
Not mine, but Train Tsar Fun posted a video of his Paxton and Grumpy Diesel that he got on his YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFlH6OK7ar8


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: TrainFan97 on June 05, 2018, 07:07:36 PM
Indeed! A Bachmann Sidney would be a waste of time, and his sales would be minimal compared to Paxton, since Paxton is clearly the more liked and fleshed out of the two. It would be a better idea to just save Sidney for another time, and Bachmann should announce either Stepney or Daisy next year, as those are engines the HO range has been needing for some time. Much higher priorities than another Class 08 recolor like Sidney. Not saying I never want Bachmann to make Sidney; just not for 2019. We already have Grumpy Diesel, which was a questionable announcement.

Paxton is the most expensive of the Class 08s. I need to save up. He's the first CGI character in the HO range, but he's a likeable one.


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: Chaz on June 05, 2018, 11:14:26 PM
Thanks for the responses guys!  Glad to hear that most of you will be looking into buying Paxton sooner or later.  Honestly in person, the model doesn't look that bad.  Pictures don't really do it all that much justice, including mine.  I think he's going to be a very popular model down the road.

Regarding Sidney, I agree it's best for Bachmann not to bother with him.  Even if they were in a situation where they can't make a new tooling in HO, they are in some ways better off adding more to the next lineup of narrow gauge announcements or possibly look into adding a new lineup of resin buildings instead than to bother with Sidney or any other character with that tooling (though besides Sidney I really don't see why they would make any of the other 08 characters). 


Title: Re: Bachmann Paxton Thread
Post by: angelob6660 on June 06, 2018, 11:42:50 AM
Not mine, but Train Tsar Fun posted a video of his Paxton and Grumpy Diesel that he got on his YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFlH6OK7ar8

I saw his video yesterday it was very entertaining!