Here's a look at Narrow Gauge Rusty. We will post a photo when available, but it will be a while.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4677/26629146928_70eac6bd0c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gz8kCU)T58603 (https://flic.kr/p/Gz8kCU) by Bach Mann (https://www.flickr.com/photos/155793881@N05/), on Flickr
Not much to say about his stock render, but hopefully we see him before the end of the year.
I still wonder if he'll be based off Midlander, as per Skarloey and Rheneas, or be more based on his CGI model.
Quote from: InsideTrack on February 26, 2018, 01:19:14 PM
Here's a look at Narrow Gauge Rusty. We will post a photo when available, but it will be a while.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4677/26629146928_70eac6bd0c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gz8kCU)T58603 (https://flic.kr/p/Gz8kCU) by Bach Mann (https://www.flickr.com/photos/155793881@N05/), on Flickr
Will his pic be out by the middle of the year?
Sorry for the error on the quote, will we see a pic of rusty by the middle of the year?
Got my hopes up the moment I saw this thread :P
Regardless of what design they go with, I'll still happily buy Rusty. I can see him coming in late November/early December like Skarloey and Rheneas.
Haha, is this a joke? It's just the CGI model! :P
Our favorite narrow gauge diesel! I will definitely get Rusty once he is released.
Additionally, hopefully, we will be able to see a clearer image of the Large Scale Spiteful Brake Van very soon. It is in the 2018 catalog after all.
Really looking forward to Rusty! Can't wait to get the red and blue coaches too! Expanding the NG collection little by little! ;D
I get the feeling this thread would have made more sense if it were posted on April Fools Day. :D Still, just like everyone else I'm really looking forward to Rusty when he becomes available. Still need to get my hands on Skarloey and Rheneas though.
Quote from: TerencetheTractor525 on February 26, 2018, 09:49:56 PM
Our favorite narrow gauge diesel! I will definitely get Rusty once he is released.
Additionally, hopefully, we will be able to see a clearer image of the Large Scale Spiteful Brake Van very soon. It is in the 2018 catalog after all.
Same. Stopped in at my hobby shop yesterday, but they didn't have any of the 2018 catalogs in stock yet. Not sure if it would have helped get a clearer image of things, but I wouldn't have minded picking one up. Interestingly though, my hobby shop still has Bachmann 2017 catalogs (which they still want full price for) and catalogs dating back to 2011.
-Rusty
Luckily I don't have to wait. To pay for Rusty cuz I have him for pre-ordering.
InsideTrack, there's an image of the Spiteful Brake van in the 2018 catalog, but it's very low resolution. Could you by chance upload the high resolution picture?
Quote from: Sparks on March 01, 2018, 07:46:22 PM
InsideTrack, there's an image of the Spiteful Brake van in the 2018 catalog, but it's very low resolution. Could you by chance upload the high resolution picture?
Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo...
(http://i64.tinypic.com/x36ark.jpg)
Quote from: Chaz on June 12, 2018, 09:54:45 PM
Quote from: Sparks on March 01, 2018, 07:46:22 PM
InsideTrack, there's an image of the Spiteful Brake van in the 2018 catalog, but it's very low resolution. Could you by chance upload the high resolution picture?
Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo...
(http://i64.tinypic.com/x36ark.jpg)
Gosh, I hope the HO Scale model of The Spiteful Brakevan looks just like this.
And yeah, I also wonder if this was a joke or not. It's just Rusty's CGI model, not an actual illustration of Bachmann's Rusty model. ???
I don't think it's a joke, but I did get excited when I saw new posts in this thread.
Ah well, the Spiteful Brakevan looks great at least. For a piece of rolling stock that Bachmann could only go by Wikia references for, they did a very good job with the face.
It's been almost a year and a half and still not even a prototype.... A little worried about Rusty...
Quote from: TrainshockeylifE on June 14, 2018, 08:12:35 PM
It's been almost a year and a half and still not even a prototype.... A little worried about Rusty...
Oliver went two years without any news, I think Rusty is fine.
Here's a FINAL image of Rusty. NO DELIVERY DATE YET!
(http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/images/HO_Scale/58603.jpg)
Well Rusty's design choice isn't entirely surprising. I'd be lying if I told you it was my ideal choice but at the same time I came into this thinking that they were going to go with the CG render as a reference as they have done here.
That being said, this is nothing new from Bachmann. Mattel has more control over how aesthetics look for the model, and naturally they were going to go with the design that people are most familiar with today which is the CG render. For what it is though, Bachmann did a great job capturing Rusty in his CG render so I can't complain about the models overall design. It's not as incredible as Skarloey and Rheneas but it's still a nice looking model.
Overall, not as impressed as I would like but not really let down either. The Bachmann Rusty deserves credit where credit is due and it did a spot on job of making him match his CG render. I'll still be picking this model up and sharing further thoughts on it when it's released.
So... do some of you guys still want Bachmann to make Duncan now considering how Rusty turned out? For me, I can safely say that a model Duncan would be a pass from me. Now it really does narrow my hopes for just Peter Sam at this point (since there's no telling if Bachmann has measurements for Sir Handel yet).
Defiantly going to be getting Rusty! Might have to pass on Duncan if his model based off the CGI render. Would defiantly get him if Bachmann used Douglas' proportions for their 009 version. Defiantly will be getting the rest of the NG engines though. Im quite content with the CGI renders of the rest of the NG engines so I would have no problem purchasing 009 models based off of them.im sure Bachmann will do a great job as always with their 009 RTR models. I'll be repainting and modifying the 009 models down the line (pun intended) with 3D printed kits as well as a RWS livery but I feel Duncan's model would be harder to modify. Will defiantly preorder Rusty soon!
Should've taken design inspiration from Midlander, rather than the CG render. Hate to say it but now Bachmanns gonna miss out on all the kitbasher market potential that made Skarloey sell out more than once. I can't see many people wanting to make Midlander out of a CGI Rusty. This issue already seems to be starting, as the person who made kitbashing kits for Skarloey and Rheneas will not be doing so for Rusty: https://twitter.com/2a_rail/status/1031997221292662787
While I am personally alright with the CGI Rusty, as will other people in the Thomas community, sticking to his CGI design is going to restrict his market much more than Skarloey and Rheneas. The reason Skarloey sold so well is because he was literally a Talyllyn model in Thomas colors. Rheneas was closer to his CGI model than he was Dolgoch, and had slightly less successful sale numbers as a result, from what I last researched.
Please skip Duncan, Arc did a very poor job with his CGI render that barely resembles the character at all. It's a wonder Duncans CGI design was approved. Peter Sam has the best and most accurate CGI model in relation to his prototype Edward Thomas, so if they do another engine, do Peter Sam. I'd love Sir Handel, but his CGI model does not make an overtly accurate Sir Haydn (his prototype).
You know what, I say skip the middle man and make Stepney before he gets tainted by CGI.
I am pretty happy with Rusty's final model. The larger face never really bothered me in the show, so I'm fine with it. The only thing I don't like are the vents on his side because they aren't accurate to his basis or the model series. However, That isn't Bachmann's fault considering they are taken from the CG model.
As for Chaz's question, I still have mixed feelings about a Bachmann Duncan. I would probably feel the same way I do about Oliver. Oliver is very nice, but he was also very disappointing just because of how terrible his CG model is. It just really annoys me thinking about how much better he could have looked if he was based off his classic series model. I'm sure Duncan will look good if he is made, but his bad CGI design will hold Bachmann back from making him great.
Overall, Rusty looks good. I'm honestly not surprised that the model is based off the CGI Era, considering how different Rusty's basis currently looks. The only thing that somewhat disappoints me is the absence of an open cab; I'm assuming that this has to do with the motor, which is understandable.
As for a Bachmann Duncan, if the model is based off Douglas (his basis), then I will purchase him. However, if Duncan is based off his awful CGI render, then I will take a pass. I'll leave it at that.
I may be one of few with this opinion, but I think it looks really good.
Personally I really do not mind the overall design of Rusty, but I can see why someone who would prefer the models to be more accurate to its basis to take a pass on it. I think it will probably sell okay, not as high as Skarloey and Rheneas but I don't think it will fall flat like Rosie or Paxton would.
I also find it really, really interesting how literally everyone who responded to the question on Duncan earlier mentioned that they would either pass on Duncan or suggest skipping him entirely. Personally I agree with these statements, since while I don't have an issue with Rusty's design, I was appalled at how horrible Duncan's render is by comparison. At least Rusty's render has some charm to it with the extra details and the accurate chassis.
I definitely agree on Peter Sam being the next choice for a narrow gauge engine. He would easily have the right sales power Bachmann would need for the narrow gauge range. Personally I don't mind Sir Handel's render, I think it looks miles better than most of the other renders on the show, but I think Peter Sam should be done first. Then after Peter Sam and Sir Handel, then I would consider Duncan or possibly a different narrow gauge engine at that point, or better yet just skip Duncan entirely if he is going to be based on his render like Rusty was.
If anyone ever does a thread for engines people don't want, I would definitely put Duncan on there for sure, along with Nia and Rebecca (for obvious reasons).
Quote from: Chaz on August 22, 2018, 02:42:24 PM
I also find it really, really interesting how literally everyone who responded to the question on Duncan earlier mentioned that they would either pass on Duncan or suggest skipping him entirely.
I don't think I would skip Duncan entirely. I really do think he will be a nice model no matter what he is based on. Oliver was still really nice despite his CG model having just as many flaws, and I still picked him up. I just think that basing Duncan off the model series or his real life basis would make the model much nicer.
I hope Rusty has that open door panel since its on the other side of the locomotive.
I agree that the grills on the top panel on Rusty are the CG render but I do I like the old look of the smooth panel. I don't mind the face length but I looks like season 6 or 7.
I'm okay with Rusty in his CGI design, since his render is FAR better than Duncan's. If Bachmann makes Duncan solely based on his awful CGI render, I think I'll pass too. They MUST do Peter Sam next.
Bachmann Oliver was still successful, but he would've been even more successful if he was based on his model series design, but nope, Arc Productions just HAD to give Oliver a really bad and blatantly undersized CGI render, so we can't blame Bachmann. Blame Arc Productions (now Jam Filled) and Mattel. I still enjoyed Bachmann Oliver though.
For HO Scale, I'd say Bachmann needs to make Stepney before CGI ruins him. He's a simple tank engine.
It's interesting how Oliver has been brought into discussion when discussing poorly done renders, but I feel like there is a difference between Oliver being done in his render vs how Duncan would do in his render.
When it comes to the narrow gauge range, the biggest market out there for that range is modifying the engines to look like their real life basis. With Skarloey, he was all ready to go as he had the right design of Talyllyn and was painted in the correct livery and had the right face used on the show. While it seemed to be an issue for some people already, I feel like Rusty would at the very least have a good chassis and have the right details in his render to justify decent sales. He won't reach Skarloey and Rheneas level of sales, but I think that's expected. I personally think he will do okay overall. Duncan on the other hand who has no details on his render and looking so poor overall to the other narrow gauge engines wouldn't do so hot, as responses on here have shown. It's why I feel Duncan should be skipped entirely and Bachmann should bother with Peter Sam, as he not only has a more popular demand, but both Peter Sam's render and basis are fairly similar and would allow a handful of conversions and would have the same strong sales that Skarloey had.
Oliver is an entirely different field altogether. When it comes to buying the standard gauge characters, people who generally buy models from this range are buying them because they are fully aware that they look more like the characters on the show. Real life conversions of the standard gauge characters are a lot more rare, and nowhere near as apparent as the narrow gauge range. The narrow gauge range actually depends on the real life basis accuracy in order to have strong sales. The standard gauge engines do not. Oliver having such strong sales (even outselling almost half the steam team in the process) had nothing to do with his render, but more along the lines of people buying the character because they want it for the character, nothing to do with the design with the model or even matching the real life basis for Oliver. (The CG render doesn't even come close to matching a real 14xx). Plus, with the Hornby model being so hard to come by, it's clear that there is no other market available for Oliver, other than the Bachmann model which is why I feel why Oliver sold so well and why Duncan in comparison wouldn't.
Yeah, I guess I wasn't really thinking about it in that way when it came to the Duncan/Oliver thing. You are probably right when it comes to Duncan then. It better off just to skip him, unless he is directly modeled after his basis.
It wouldn't surprise me if Bachmann did make Duncan's model based on Douglas as Jam Filled has expressed an interest in fixing some of the models in the series. They already promised a corrected coach model, I don't see why they wouldn't proceed to making Duncan look better. But that's just speculation, but look, the new coaches aren't based of their ugly CGI counterparts, so who knows really.
Just food for thought.
HLCR
Quote from: Chaz on August 21, 2018, 02:45:21 PM
(since there's no telling if Bachmann has measurements for Sir Handel yet).
Well they could always ask ThomasTankMerch...! ;)
Quote from: HLC Railroad on August 23, 2018, 02:16:30 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if Bachmann did make Duncan's model based on Douglas as Jam Filled has expressed an interest in fixing some of the models in the series. They already promised a corrected coach model, I don't see why they wouldn't proceed to making Duncan look better. But that's just speculation, but look, the new coaches aren't based of their ugly CGI counterparts, so who knows really.
Just food for thought.
HLCR
Can you point me to where they said this? I'd like to read/hear what they said, especially since it means we'll get corrected CGI models!
Quote from: Sparks on August 23, 2018, 10:20:51 PM
Quote from: Chaz on August 21, 2018, 02:45:21 PM
(since there's no telling if Bachmann has measurements for Sir Handel yet).
Well they could always ask ThomasTankMerch...! ;)
What do you mean, "you could always ask ThomasTankMerch..!"?
Quote from: Rodimus Supreme on August 23, 2018, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: HLC Railroad on August 23, 2018, 02:16:30 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if Bachmann did make Duncan's model based on Douglas as Jam Filled has expressed an interest in fixing some of the models in the series.
Can you point me to where they said this? I'd like to read/hear what they said, especially since it means we'll get corrected CGI models!
https://mobile.twitter.com/JamFilledStudio/status/933841606763048960
This is what I could find with rudimentary googling, but I swear they specifically said that they would change the models after they got the dimensions. In the meantime I'm sure you can make a pretty good guess by them saying "will be passed on to the modeling team", and from what I can see from the pictures on the site, Bachmann's models are based off the model series ones.
Quote from: TrainshockeylifE on August 23, 2018, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: Sparks on August 23, 2018, 10:20:51 PM
Well they could always ask ThomasTankMerch...! ;)
What do you mean, "you could always ask ThomasTankMerch..!"?
ThomasTankMerch is on twitter and they just bought and received the original Season 4 Sir Handel. They also have Jack and The Pack scale Trevor, a few faces, and some rolling stock from the show.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2r27ldu.jpg)
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThomasTankMerch
They could also go to cudak888 who just finished his replica Sir Handel about a week or so ago. In fact, at first some people thought this was cudak's because he just packaged it up and apparently shipped it somewhere after he had finished it. But no, ThomasTankMerch does have the real season 4 Sir Handel. Funnily, cudak is the one who sent Jam Filled the measurements of the original coaches while he was vacuforming his modified version of the (if I remember correctly) season 3 coaches. He's also building a James replica, and James would complain if he had to pull dirty trucks.
HLCR
If they do fix Duncan's render and make it look better than the current render, then I would be more open to it. For now though, with the references that they have I think it's best for Bachmann to wait on him until we are lucky enough to get said revisions.
Quote from: Sparks on August 23, 2018, 10:20:51 PM
Quote from: Chaz on August 21, 2018, 02:45:21 PM
(since there's no telling if Bachmann has measurements for Sir Handel yet).
Well they could always ask ThomasTankMerch...! ;)
Too bad I can't "like" posts on here, so you get an emoji instead. 👍
Quote from: HLC Railroad on August 23, 2018, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Rodimus Supreme on August 23, 2018, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: HLC Railroad on August 23, 2018, 02:16:30 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if Bachmann did make Duncan's model based on Douglas as Jam Filled has expressed an interest in fixing some of the models in the series.
Can you point me to where they said this? I'd like to read/hear what they said, especially since it means we'll get corrected CGI models!
https://mobile.twitter.com/JamFilledStudio/status/933841606763048960
This is what I could find with rudimentary googling, but I swear they specifically said that they would change the models after they got the dimensions. In the meantime I'm sure you can make a pretty good guess by them saying "will be passed on to the modeling team", and from what I can see from the pictures on the site, Bachmann's models are based off the model series ones.
Quote from: TrainshockeylifE on August 23, 2018, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: Sparks on August 23, 2018, 10:20:51 PM
Well they could always ask ThomasTankMerch...! ;)
What do you mean, "you could always ask ThomasTankMerch..!"?
ThomasTankMerch is on twitter and they just bought and received the original Season 4 Sir Handel. They also have Jack and The Pack scale Trevor, a few faces, and some rolling stock from the show.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThomasTankMerch
They could also go to cudak888 who just finished his replica Sir Handel about a week or so ago. In fact, at first some people thought this was cudak's because he just packaged it up and apparently shipped it somewhere after he had finished it. But no, ThomasTankMerch does have the real season 4 Sir Handel.
HLCR
Thank you! This is some interesting and amazing stuff!
Quote from: Chaz on August 24, 2018, 03:39:22 AM
If they do fix Duncan's render and make it look better than the current render, then I would be more open to it. For now though, with the references that they have I think it's best for Bachmann to wait on him until we are lucky enough to get said revisions.
Quote from: Sparks on August 23, 2018, 10:20:51 PM
Quote from: Chaz on August 21, 2018, 02:45:21 PM
(since there's no telling if Bachmann has measurements for Sir Handel yet).
Well they could always ask ThomasTankMerch...! ;)
Too bad I can't "like" posts on here, so you get an emoji instead. 👍
I think adding the ability to like posts on this forum would be fun.
Sweet.
Loving how Bachmann Rusty looks. I grew up with Season 5 so I'm more attached to big face Rusty instead of small Season 4 face Rusty. Those vents on the side look gorgeous. Very impressed with this model. My only hope is that they alter the face a little bit. The mouth looks a little off in the picture. Then again, Rheneas' face looked off to me when it's pictures first came out. Maybe it's just for the angle.
Also I think it would be really cool if Bachmann used the restored Sir Handel model as reference for the shape but I don't think I'd like if they based a Bachmann Sir Handel off the classic design. Not because I dislike the classic design, it's because classic Sir Handel would look weird compared to the likes of CGI Skarloey, Rheneas, and Rusty.
If Bachmann makes Sir Handel, they would, more likely than not, go for the CG render, which I personally wouldn't mind nearly as much as say Duncan (or even Rusty for that matter), but it wouldn't make for as much of an accurate representation of his basis as much. Peter Sam is more of a win-win regardless if they go for a full Edward Thomas painted in his CG render with a giesl funnel, or the CG render he would win over both fans and 009 modelers.
As much charm as the season 4 models have, I agree that having Sir Handel look less detailed compared to the Skarloey, Rheneas, and Rusty models he would stick out like a sore thumb with the major lack of detail (though nowhere near as bad as Duncan's CG render... :P).
True, true. Even though I grew up with the classic series, I usually tend to lean more towards the CGI versions of the characters mainly because they are more accurate (real life basis), detailed, expressive, and are all around just the current versions of the characters. I still love the models but I've always been drawn to the current designs... for the most part.
I will admit that Duncan is one of the few CGI designs that I genuinely have a problem with. Next to the other narrow gauge cast he's too small, but on his own he looks too tall! ??? His boiler is way too small, his funnel is way too thin, and do I even have to mention the running board.
It gives me hope that Duncan (along with Oliver and Bulgy) have been absent during Season 22. Maybe Jam Filled is using this season to fix their models like what happened with Rosie in Season 20. We can only hope.
Quote from: InsideTrack on August 21, 2018, 01:57:52 PM
Here's a FINAL image of Rusty. NO DELIVERY DATE YET!
(http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/images/HO_Scale/58603.jpg)
Lovely job on Rusty Bachmann! Well done! Take your time getting him ready. i'm sure he'll be worth the wait.