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Started by J3a-614, February 13, 2010, 02:02:28 AM

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J3a-614

As a fan of the C&O as it was in the postwar Superpower era (before Diesels and blue and yellow paint), I lean toward the big engines.  But that doesn't mean there isn't a market for smaller power.

One additional engine could come from Bachmann's current production.  This is the Shay, which could also pass for Sierra Railway No. 12.  This engine was later sold to Standard Lumber Co., and later to Pickering Lumber.  It's still around, in a safety-orange paint scheme at that!

http://www.ncry.org/roster/s_12/srr12.shtml

Baldwin and Alco rod loggers would also be something that might be considered.  These 2-8-2's and 2-6-2's typically had 48" drivers--which, if I measured the model correctly, happens to be close to the size used under the 0-6-0T, which I believe has 44's.

http://www.trainweb.org/mccloudrails/LocoImages/Loco-0016-2.html

http://www.trainweb.org/mccloudrails/LocoImages/Loco-0018.html

http://www.trainweb.org/mccloudrails/LocoImages/Loco-0010.html

http://www.trainweb.org/mccloudrails/LocoImages/Loco-0021.html

http://www.trainweb.org/mccloudrails/LocoImages/Loco-0025.html

http://www.tidewatersouthern.com/contents/motivepower/steam/Baldwin_2-6-2_132/baldwin_2-6-2_132.htm

http://www.tidewatersouthern.com/contents/motivepower/steam/Baldwin_2-6-2_132/Sierra32Jamestown1/sierra32jamestown1.htm

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=312694&nseq=0

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=170780&nseq=0

One of the interesting things to note is the collection of subtle differences between Alco and Baldwin engines, most notably in domes.  This applied to narrow gauge power as well, illustrated here with engines from the East Broad Top (Baldwin) and the Sumpter Valley (Alco).

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=305965&nseq=6

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=300061&nseq=37

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=81311&nseq=19

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=81132&nseq=21

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=286081&nseq=2

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=221440&nseq=4

Domes are fatter, but they are still Baldwin domes on this modern, post-war 2-8-2 on the White Pass & Yukon in Alaska:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=297785&nseq=9

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=128925&nseq=75

Enjoy.

pdlethbridge


J3a-614

In regard to rod logging engines, I forgot to mention the tank engine variants.  Again, like the tender locomotives, these often used drivers in the 44 to 48 inch range, suggesting some parts (such as wheels, motors, gears) from the 0-6-0T that could be used to reduce tooling costs.

Some examples:

http://www.ncry.org/roster/s_02/q2builder.shtml

http://www.ncry.org/roster/s_03rd/rd3.shtml

Tank Mallet variation:

http://www.ncry.org/roster/s_04/cv4.shtml

Logging Mallet page; great reference!

http://loggingmallets.railfan.net/

One that runs:

http://www.1880train.com/

A large 2-8-2 tank; believe it or not, this same company rostered a similar-looking 2-10-2T!

http://www.sdrm.org/roster/steam/s-11/index.html

An HO brass model, very typical Baldwin prototype:

http://www.victorianweb.org/cv/models/glanville/locos/9.html

http://www.victorianweb.org/cv/models/glanville/locos/9b.html

Other stuff:

http://www.railroadpix.com/rrphotos/detail/551.html

http://www.railroadpix.com/rrphotos/detail/549.html

Another variant of the Baldwin logging 2-8-2:

http://www.orcorail.org/Locomotive_104.html

http://loggingmallets.railfan.net/oregon/oregon.htm

Vintage movie footage of rod loggers in action (commercial video preview); one of the engines shown is the famous (former) Sierra Railway 38:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmniR8ziNOc

Another commercial video trailer--but it still looks good, and explains part of what we like about short lines and loggers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzKnDZSP1mo

Enjoy!






pdlethbridge

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how about a 4-6-4t or 2-6-4t like this, a commuter loco

ryeguyisme

Quote from: pdlethbridge on February 17, 2010, 08:59:21 AM
how about a 4-6-4t or 2-6-4t like this, a commuter loco


this is something I've been deff looking forward to having

sparkyjay31

B&M 2-6-0 Mogul.  Pretty please?
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jettrainfan

Quote from: pdlethbridge on February 17, 2010, 08:59:21 AM
how about a 4-6-4t or 2-6-4t like this, a commuter loco


I'll defiantly buy it! that and a 2-8-2T + A hesier!
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J3a-614

One could make the case for a variety of 2-8-0s, ranging from small 19th century design engines like the PRR H3 and the stock small 2-8-0s used by the Ma &Pa (and the closest available model being the Athearn-MDC 2-8-0).  My choice would be a combination of a PRR H-6-sb and a C&O G-7/9.  Both of these engines had 57" drivers and a driver axle spacing that had a slightly longer distance between the first and second axles (originally to accommodate the rocker shaft from Stephenson valve gear), a minimal spacing between the second and third axles, and a longer spacing between the third and fourth for the firebox.  Both engine series were in the 100-ton range, and the C&O engine seems to have become the basis of a stock Alco locomotive used by a number of roads, among them a West Virginia shortline called the Kellys Creek & Northwestern.  This engine, their No. 6, would be sold to another road, the Buffalo Creek & Gauley, where it became that road's No. 13.  That engine is still with us, and ran in tourist service until just a few years ago on the Ohio Central. 

This is a neat site on the BC&G:

http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/

The left-side view below illustrates the driver axle spacing mentioned above:

http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/LOCOMOTIVES/No13/Loco13.html

A C&O G7, from the image gallery of the C&OHS; this engine illustrates a rebuilt version with a short, "sports model" cab:

http://www.cohs.org/repository/Archives/cohs/web/cohs-23890.jpg

A G9, still with its original cab:

http://www.cohs.org/repository/Archives/cohs/web/cohs-23910.jpg

Not shown are some 2-8-0s that got the tender Bachmann is bringing out with the H-4 2-6-6-2.

For comparison, a PRR H6:

http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/5/5d/PRR_H6b_2837.jpg

http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/1/1a/PRR_H6b_7758.jpg

Back to the BC&G; check out those Baldwin domes on No. 4.  And the tender, as shown in a photo when the engine was new, not only looks sharp in its Baldwin factory striping, but also looks very similar to some Pennsy tanks.  More possible ways to save on tooling costs, and prototypical, too!

http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/LOCOMOTIVES/NO4/Loco4.html

Want a prototype for kitbashing your Life-Like 0-8-0 to a 2-8-0?  BC&G had one. . .

http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/LOCOMOTIVES/No14/Loco14.html

The comments about 4-6-4T, 2-6-4T, and other commuter tank engines suggests someone is interested in modeling Eastern commuter services.  I can picture a very interesting layout based on this theme, featuring a big waterfront terminal with connecting ferryboats and lots of switches, including multiple double-slips.  Talk about intensive operation!  Coaches would rival freight cars in numbers on a layout like that.  And depending on the prototype, plenty of Camelbacks on the job, along with light and heavy 4-6-2s.

http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?//march99/03-26-99/crd90597.jpg

http://www.trainutz.com/CNJ460camel.jpg

Canadian commuter power; I think CNJ had something similar:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/trainplanepro/3599618922/

http://www.divisionpoint.com/CNR_X10.html

Check out this bruiser 4-6-6T on the B&A, with its visible kinship to NYC's 4-6-4s:

http://cs.trains.com/trccs/themes/trc/common/viewimage.aspx?img=http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h182/CNJ831/BA466T.jpg&w=675&h=406

I've got to get off this Internet thing and work on a layout!

trainmanmarsh

I like the idea of a 4-6-4 tank engine. I could definitly use a couple for commuter service.

ryeguyisme

a non-brass 4-6-4t or 4-6-6t like the Boston and Albany would be an awesome model to own, even in the freelance realm

I'd probrably have a fleet

ebtnut

I'd vote for the early Ma & Pa 2-8-0's, since that was pretty much a stock design at the turn of the century.  Actually, the modern Ma & Pa 2-8-0's would also be a good choice, maybe both with and without the feedwater heater.  IMHO, the commuter tank engines are a bit too specialized for the broad market that Bachmann caters to.  I would also like to see a non-USRA light Pacific.

J3a-614

Glad to see plenty of the steam fraternity here!  To paraphrase Thomas the Tank Engine, "Proper locomotives are painted black and burn West Virginia coal!"

Not likely to be produced, but possibly simple enough to kitbash or scratchbuild--more CNJ commuter power:

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_cnj201.jpg

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cnj200sa.jpg

Note that there is a pilot visible at the rear of this one; actually, a common application on such locomotives, including tender engines in bidirectional service.

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cnj224s.jpg

CNJ 4-6-4T; overall proportions suggest a kitbash could start with a 4-6-0:

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cnj225sa.jpg

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cnj229s.jpg

Photos above came from this site; loading is slow but it's a good one for engine photos of all types from the East (and a few others, as well).

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/home.html

This one, from the Reading, was once available in N scale.  The prototypes were replaced by electric MU cars in the 1930s.

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/pr381.jpg

http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00014505

ebtnut likes early stock Baldwin 2-8-0s; here is one of the Ma &Pa engines he mentioned, although it is no longer so stock.  Wonder what it would take to get the Athearn-MDC engine to look like this:

http://www.uncle-joey.com/YorkMail/roster/roster_engine_23.jpg

Another road with a lot of Baldwin 2-8-0s (and a few 4-4-0s), from a website that, like the BC&G site, could have a lot of inspiration for the modeler:

http://wayneshobbies.tripod.com/huntingdonbroadtop.htm

http://www.bbandbrr.com/hbtm/

http://www.bbandbrr.com/everett/index.aspx

A road that finished out with Baldwin 2-8-0s purchased second hand from the West Virginia Northern; both of the last two engines have survived, and are now under restoration at the West Virginia Railway Museum in Elkins, W.Va.

http://davecathell.tripod.com/preart.html

http://www.wvrailmuseum.com/

Another shortline in West Virginia, connected with the C&O; had, in steam, a pair of 2-8-0's purchased second-hand from the C&O and the NKP.

http://www.gottrains.com/winifrede/index.htm

http://www.gottrains.com/winifrede/photos/10-04.jpg

http://www.gottrains.com/winifrede/photos/winfrede-03.jpg

http://www.coalcampusa.com/sowv/kanawha/kanmisc/kanmisc.htm

Have fun. . .




J3a-614


BaltoOhioRRfan

I donno why but Id like to see one of these in HO Scale...

http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?act=viewProd&productId=1847

B&O had something CLOSE on its commuter railroad up on Stan. Island NY.(i think it was Stan Island....might have been Long Island).
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jerry b

We can't forget the Sierra Railways #3!
I just came back from photographing her and WHAT A GEM! Very close to being complete again and running. Only Mantua produced something "close" and it was wayyyy to big. The next best thing were the Arbor/Master Creations kits. Nice but a nightmare in white metal. Seeing how the State of California thought her worthy of complete restoration, why can't we get a Spectrum worthy model of her? I know I would be buying at least two and every Sierra Rail modeler would need at least one as well. I just sold two thousand  right there!
  As soon as that one is done start on the Sierra #28. Both locomotives are still in existence and will be running within a couple of years.
I'm tired of Scratch building them for everybody! LOL