can anyone help me identify this Locomotive w attached tender

[Steamtown Rider]

hi
thanks for reading my post
my dad gave me his old ho stuff,
stuff i remember seeing run as a kid
this 1 id like to get fixed if its worth it
the tender is also a drive unit

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[RAM]

I is a tyco and it is a waste of time and money to try to fix it.

[Jim Banner]

As your photos show, it was made by Tyco.  See this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyco_Toys

The model you show is a Consolidation (2-8-0) locomotive but it may also have been sold as a Mikado (2-8-2.)  The tender drive uses the drive mechanism from a 6-axle diesel locomotive which Tyco also produced.  The end axles of the tender can swing each way while the centre three axles are rigidly mounted.  There may not be a whole lot wrong with it, even if it has been in storage for many years.  Often all that is required is to clean all the wheels and relubricate the mechanism with light, plastic compatible oil from your local hobby shop.  (Do not use regular oil - it would be a shame to see this old gal ruined by an old that attacks plastic.)

After cleaning and lubrication, try her out on a section of clean track.  If she will not start, remove the shell from the tender and try turning the motor by hand while power is applied.  You might have to use a tooth pick through a hole to turn the armature but be very careful not to touch the fine wires at the ends of the armature.

It may not have a great deal of monetary value, but sentimental value is priceless. 

Jim

[richg]

Yeah, the tender "pushes" the engine.

Not for DCC. DC only. You will have to clean up the tender gear drive and lubricate it. Probably has sentimental value. Not worth having it repaired if there is anyone around who would tune it up.
Depends on what you model railroad plans are.

Below is a link to a bunch of links for the loco which will give you some idea of what might be involved in getting this loco to run. Plus, this will give you some idea on how you can search the Internet for about anything yew can think of.

http://tinyurl.com/26vjwfz

Rich

[richg]

A little more info.

http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/steamengines/id2.html

A couple ads I saw say it had smoke. Found a You Tube video from years ago with this engine puffing around the track. They were made to run fairly fast.
DO a Google search for chattanooga choo tender drive.
There is info out there.

Rich

[Jim Banner]

And yet more information:

http://tycotrain.tripod.com/tycotrains/id88.html

The last entry on the above page has me wondering if a Bachmann 3 axle diesel drive would fit in the tender.  If you are interested, I will dig one out and make some measurements.

Jim

[Steamtown Rider]

well thanks to u all for the info
i do think this 1 had smoke too dad had 2  my brother has the other 1
there is only 1 guy around here that fixes stuff at the hobby store
and i really dont like the attitude there 
so im guess im going to try to do this myself
1st order is a wireing issue  maybe the pics didnt show an unattached wire
i did put it on the track for laughs  and it laughed at me  nothin
again thanks for time
ill post some more pics as i open it up

[Steamtown Rider]

ok i opened it up
pretty dirty
and as i moved it a lil i can see play in the small gear to the lower right
and was also told a gear slips in these motors but can be soldered
wireing looks ok here
any ideas on the blue wire coming out of the loco
seems alot more complicated to get at the gut of the loco......

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[Jim Banner]

Now we are getting somewhere.  The gear on the lower right is an idler gear.  That means it turns freely on its shaft and is just used to couple the second axle to the third axle.  I suspect the gear that sometimes slips is the smallest one, up at the top.  In the photos, it looks like plastic, which means no soldering.  Do not worry about it until you have the motor running and can see if it is actually slipping or not.

The wiring also becomes more apparent in the photos.  The black wires connected to both ends of the tender and going to one of the motor terminals and then forward to the locomotive appear to be the return to the left rail.  Where it goes forward in the locomotive is mostly likely the return for the light and possibly the smoke unit.  The red wire, connected to the other motor terminal, is most likely connected to the right hand wheels of the locomotive through the locomotive chassis.  It is the supply wire for the motor.  The supply for the headlight is probably through the locomotive metal chassis.  The white wire is a bit of a mystery but it could be the supply wire to the smoke unit, in which case it originally connected to the red wire or it could be the return wire from the smoke unit in which case the supply for the smoke unit was taken from the locomotive right hand wheels.  Was there any kind of switch in, on or around the tender?  I am thinking the white wire might have gone to a switch to turn the smoke unit off.  Please keep in mind that speculation about the wiring is subject to correction when further disassembly reveals exactly where the wires come from and go it in the locomotive.

If you want to test the motor, run a wire from each of your power pack 'track' or 'variable dc output' terminals over the motor.  Turn up the speed control and touch one wire to each of the motor connections.  If the motor runs, great.  If all you get are sparks, remove the draw bar and try again.

One more bit of information from the photos.  That attachment in the middle of the third drive axle looks like a cam for operating a bellows inside the locomotive.  Such a bellows arrangement was sometimes used with smoking locomotives to pump the smoke out in puffs rather than just have it drift out.  In some cases, these pumps made an audible 'whoosh' sound which was a pretty good imitation of a 'chuff.'  I am thinking your locomotive may smoke with nice puffs of smoke and go chuff-chuff-chuff, all nicely synchronized with motion of the engine.

Jim

[richg]

In case you did not look at the You Tube site, below is a link to an old TV Tyco ad for this loco. You can see how fast they were made to run.
If you ever get bored, there is no telling what you can find on You Tube about trains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKHHnNT7h8I

Rich

[Steamtown Rider]

hey rich   cool vids  thanks  i got carried away watchin some
damn i could spend alot of time watchin vids  lol
lots of info there too
ok jim
i did the motor test good news  it runs and the light came on on the loco
runs rough and squeaky  i havent cleaned it yet
i only ran it a cpl seconds
ill be getting some stuff this weekend so
i guess ill start to diassemble the loco until then
any suggestions where to start there
also i dont see any switches on the tender
thanks

[Steamtown Rider]

new pics
this is what i found
red wire is on left side wheels
the extra wire goes to the red side/left
4 wires go up inside 2 to the light
2 must be to heat the oil
all are black
2 from each side of the chassis
there is a bellows
i pulled off the face where the light is looks ok cant see too much
im going to try to find more pics
something, maybe a switch is broken off on the left side where
you would climb up in the cab

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[Steamtown Rider]

something else
the bell behind the stack seems to be some kind of valve
it pulls up
i tried to get the tube out of the plastic  but the bell is holding it in