Any chance Mr Bach Man that Bachmann will ever produce a Rogers 4-6-0? I know you can find used Mantua's and Tyco Locomotives that are based on the design but they do not have the modern technology or detail of today's HO scale standards.
The mantua 4-6-0 was grossly oversized, closer to S scale.
Dear Hagys,
I'll pass along your request.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 21, 2018, 09:59:29 PM
The mantua 4-6-0 was grossly oversized, closer to S scale.
I have to agree with you 100%. I have a few of them but would love a true scale model that runs more reliable. I know when they rebuilt Sierra Railway #3 at Railtown they had to have new blue prints created as the originals were lost when the Jamestown depot originally burned down.
I'd love to see a #3 in On30, too.
I would love to see a model of Sierra Railway #3 in it's Sierra Railway #3 and Central Pacific #131 (as it was in Back To The Future Part 3) appearances in HO Scale. DCC ready so I can use a Tsunami2 with the Nathan 5 Chime whistle.
No one knows anything about steam whistles anymore. Someone needs to write a book, with a title like " The Music That Built America " or something like that.
You can use any whistle in any decoder with any engine. Engines changed whistles with shopping like we change socks. You need to learn what each type of whistle looks like to be able to ID it in historical photographs.
If you had to generalize, and there are always exceptions, single chime whistles like hooters and peepers where the most common until the 1880's when three chimes began to appear . Right after 1900 you start to see multi tone whistles like 5 chimes and 6 chimes. Increasing boiler pressures made these whistles susceptible to squealing and overblowing so deeper toned 6 chimes and steamboat whistles came around the early 1920's.
Further generalizations would be: east of the Mississippi- road preference for 3 chimes (SR, L&N, PRR along with hooters and peepers) and steamboats (SR, IC, N&W along with hooters). West of the Mississippi, the sounds of roads like the SP, the MP, the Santa Fe and such were dominated by 5 chimes and 6 chimes, with steamboats finally appearing on the the last and biggest engines like the Daylights and the Challengers and Big Boys.
Road names on decoder whistles don't mean that is the only engine or road it is correct for. Learn what prototype whistles look like, and proceed accordingly. There's so much more about these wonderful whistles, but ... the book needs writing.
"There's so much more about these wonderful whistles, but ... the book needs writing."
So when can we expect to see the Kindle edition of your book on Amazon??
Len
An academic skilled in research and documentation needs to do it. It would be a good masters thesis for someone studying industrial archeology. Steam whistles weren't used only on on trains. They were on all steam powered mills, steamboats, tractors, etc. They truly were the collective voice of the Industrial Age around the world, and the sound of the US growing into the world power it became. A ripe book topic waiting for picking.
Trainman203, I only mentioned the Nathan 5 Chime whistle as I have found from listening to the whistles on a Soundtraxx Tsunami2 decoder that the whistle that Soundtraxx calls a Nathan 5 Chime is the one that sounds closest to Sierra Railway #3's whistle that it's fitted with currently and in Back to the Future Part 3. I do understand that any whistle can be used with this particular prototype depending on the road name. I'm just saying that if Bachmann does make a Rogers 4-6-0 like Sierra Railway #3, if in Sierra Railway or CPRR #131 liveries, that the Nathan 5 Chime whistle on the Tsunami2 Steam Sound decoders would be the best whistle if it was DCC Ready and it were fitted with an after market Tsunami2 decoder.
I understand, it's just very, very hard to resist rambling on about one of my favorite subjects, steam whistles!
Sierra No 3 has been in umpteen movies and TV shows, and has had many differently whistles on it that I've seen and heard . The one I remember best was a beautiful 3 chime on it when she was in several episodes of a 60's TV western called "The Virginian." The Soundtraxx B4g whistle is a dead ringer for that one.
The sound of the Soundtraxx Nathan 5 chime(no. 38 on the Tsunami2 decoder) is more akin to a 6 chime whistle. There is another Nathan 5 chime, no. 39, that sounds like an actual 5 chime. If no. 38 is the sound you want, there are several new 6 chimes on the new Tsunami2-2 that has just come out with (😮😀🤪) NINETY whistles! To me they all sound better than 38, but that's a personal choice. Go to the Soundtraxx web site and listen to the sound samples.
A set of the old timer passenger coaches painted for the Sierra Railway would be cool too!
Here is some inspiration for the Bachmann designers Mr Bach-Man.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1963/43083521610_bcf1cf0d4b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28D9iY7)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/28D9iY7) by hagys72 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36007751@N04/), on Flickr
Could even do a design with a wooden cab and cap stack like when she ran in Prescott AZ and early on during her service on the Sierra.
The antlers are a nice touch. Are they to defend territory from other steam engine, or to attract female steam engines during mating season?
(sorry, I couldn't resist)
Quote from: bbmiroku on September 24, 2018, 06:49:01 PM
The antlers are a nice touch. Are they to defend territory from other steam engine, or to attract female steam engines during mating season?
(sorry, I couldn't resist)
This feisty little guy has a larger set, what will the first loco do?
(http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/data/desertdrover/20089293857_antlers3.jpg)
It's not the size of the antlers, but how they're used.
But comparatively, it looks like deer antlers on a bull moose and moose antlers on a fawn.
I'd put my money on the moose wearing the deer antlers.
Quote from: Trainman203 on September 24, 2018, 08:10:11 AM
I understand, it's just very, very hard to resist rambling on about one of my favorite subjects, steam whistles!
Sierra No 3 has been in umpteen movies and TV shows, and has had many differently whistles on it that I've seen and heard . The one I remember best was a beautiful 3 chime on it when she was in several episodes of a 60's TV western called "The Virginian." The Soundtraxx B4g whistle is a dead ringer for that one.
The sound of the Soundtraxx Nathan 5 chime(no. 38 on the Tsunami2 decoder) is more akin to a 6 chime whistle. There is another Nathan 5 chime, no. 39, that sounds like an actual 5 chime. If no. 38 is the sound you want, there are several new 6 chimes on the new Tsunami2-2 that has just come out with (😮😀🤪) NINETY whistles! To me they all sound better than 38, but that's a personal choice. Go to the Soundtraxx web site and listen to the sound samples.
Whistle #39 is the one to which I was referring. I for the life of me couldn't remember the number for the CV value and didn't have the reference sheet on my screen at the time. And I will agree with you on #38 sounding more like a six chime. One other whistle I always liked hearing on the #3 on TV was from when it was on the old "Casey Jones" show with Alan Hale Jr. which sounds like #1 which is the Baldwin 3 Chime.
I have those CV numbers memorized 😂😂🤪🤪. There are other 5 chimes on that decoder, notably 5, 15, 19, 23, 32 ... and 45 which is called a Reading 6 chime but sounds like a 5 chime. But 39 is the most beautifully tuned of all, that is for certain.
Go to Soundtraxx web site and check out the 23 new whistles that were added to the Tsunami2.
Back to the main topic - I too think that this extremely famous 4-6-0 warrants a nice Spectrum level model offered by someone. It is a movie star in its own right , the Gary Cooper of locomotives. It is typical 1890's heavy mainline power that often survived much later on short lines ...... just like here.
I've always thought that this engine looked like a 4-4-0 with an extra set of drivers crammed in right behind the cylinders. Accordingly, a different frame would allow a 4-4-0 model as well.
The Rogers 4-4-0 seems to be a 1870 to maybe 1880 4-4-0 with no air pump.
A 4-6-0 would be nice but would require new tooling.
I have some books by George Abdill that show some nice 4-6-0's of that era.
Rich
Those Abdill books were great. Mine were lost long ago in a flood. Thinking about cruising the net for replacement.
I have 4 or 5 of Abdill's books, also and I love them.
I found this photo of number 3 from her days in Arizonia. She was beauty even back then.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1904/30039730647_a3d52d9b8c_b.jpg)
This is not my photo just want to share it here.
Quote from: richy on September 25, 2018, 06:32:48 PM
The Rogers 4-4-0 seems to be a 1870 to maybe 1880 4-4-0 with no air pump.
A 4-6-0 would be nice but would require new tooling.
I have some books by George Abdill that show some nice 4-6-0's of that era.
Rich
Hey Rich,
I terms of new tooling I wonder if they could use the new 4-4-0 tooling as a base. There are a few similarities. Just an idea.
The wheelbase measurements and spacings are mostly different from the 4-4-0 and the Rogers 4-6-0. Basically a complete redesign.
Quote from: bbmiroku on September 28, 2018, 07:56:15 PM
The wheelbase measurements and spacings are mostly different from the 4-4-0 and the Rogers 4-6-0. Basically a complete redesign.
I was wondering though if then could use some of the other parts? Like the cab, tender, stack, domes and even the front pilot. #3 is really not that large of a locomotive when you are right next to it.
Probably reuse the tender, but generally most of the detailing on the engine itself is part of the frame or shell.
Quote from: bbmiroku on October 03, 2018, 12:06:41 AM
Probably reuse the tender, but generally most of the detailing on the engine itself is part of the frame or shell.
So taking a look at the parts diagram, provide for free in the parts, service & information link on this site, I found that the cab, the steam domes, smoke box front, bell, head light and smoke stake are all separately applied parts on the locomotive. So like I said before I think a lot of these parts could be used to help create a 4-6-0 Rogers by Bachmann.
Ah. I have an older Rogers from a different company and the shell is all one piece.
Well that did remind me to check out Shapeways steam loco parts as they have been making parts for the Bachmann locos for some time. Really neat stuff. I just looked. 3D printing is quite nice. Now if they could make a suitable boiler.
Even Precision Scale Co still makes parts that could work.
Rich
I like the diamond stack that shapeways offers for coverting a 4-4-0 to Disneylands CK Holiday. Cool company!
Back to the topic at hand.
I did a quick search of 4-6-0 rogers on google and there was a number or 4-6-0 rogers used around the country especially short lines. An undecorated version would allow modelers of a short line to recreate a locomotive for their railroad.