Was looking at this MRC HO 1909 16-Bit Diesel Sounder, like to no if it will work in any if the Bachmann dc loco Am just running dc no dcc .Will this work whit a ez comander
Quote from: coupman35 on April 09, 2013, 03:53:57 PM
Was looking at this MRC HO 1909 16-Bit Diesel Sounder, like to know if it will work in any of the Bachmann dc locos? Am just running dc no dcc. Will this work whit a EZ Command?
It will work depending on how much room you have for the decoder and speaker. This will all depend on your loco modification experience. Forget plug and play.
The EZ Command will not allow you to change any CV's. Some of the sounds will work on DC, though.
The EZ Command will allow you to run on DCC or DC but better on DCC.
Rich
Thanks for the reply I have a few old loco the one whit the flat motor in the back there is lot of room in them. It look like there is only 2 wire to connect on them .CVs what that am new at this what will I need to change them.
You need to install a full DCC decoder with sound which in your place, I would use an MRC full sound and DCC decoder because the Sounder has no DCC capabilities when it come to operating a train. If you are going to get an EZ Command, DO NOT ONLY INSTALL THE SOUNDER. You need the Motor DCC decoder in order for a DCC controller to even be worth getting.
Am still new at this so am learning as I go ,So id need something like this MRC 1716 PREFERRED SOUND HO DECODER: 16-BIT UNIVERSAL EMD 567 right thanks for the info
What engine are you trying to put this into? the emd 567 may not be appropriate.
If the loco has the white plastic case around the motor, it may not be worth it. Sounds like the pickups are one one end only. You really need pickups on all wheels.
The two motor leads have to be isolated from the frame.
Rich
coup-
I hate to be a wet blanket but there are a few cautions about this project. First, this won't be an easy, drop-in install. Converting this loco to DCC and sound will be a real challenge, especially if you haven't done DCC installs in the past. Second, I'm not so sure that this loco with its plastic-case motor and single-truck drive justifies the cost, labor and time it will require. You can put all of that effort and cash into this loco and you'll still only have a mediocre unit. Third, the fact that you're considering such an ambitious job makes me think you are a person who likes to tinker. That makes me wonder if an EZ Command is the right DCC command station for you. The EZ Command doesn't allow you to control more than ten locos and its limited power won't allow you to run more than a couple of sound locos at a time. It can't actually program decoders, nor can it read CVs. I believe you will be much happier with the Dynamis or another manufacturer's entry-level system.
Nevertheless, good luck if you go ahead with this job. And keep us up to date on your progress.
-- D
Thanks guy I have over 10 locos am shure that one of them can be a easy convert , I am learning and love to play whit this and just trying to get some sound whit the track whit out going full dcc.But it looks like it not that easy .
With non DCC ready, it generally will not be easy. You really need to fully describe which loco you might want to modify.
Again, get a Photo Bucket account and post some photos.
The below fellow use to own a DCC company and is very active with DCC.
You really need to do a lot of reading.
http://www.mrdccu.com/curriculum/
Rich
coup-
If you don't intend to go with DCC but are mainly interested in sound, there are locos and decoders which will allow you to use DC for speed and direction yet you can still have many sounds and even control some of them. Some sounds will be automatic on DC but you'll be able to control bell and horn/whistle. Several manufacturers make small boxes (about the size of a package of cigarettes or as large as a paperback book) which will give you control over more sounds.
-- D
Quote from: Doneldon on April 10, 2013, 12:52:08 AM
coup-
If you don't intend to go with DCC but are mainly interested in sound, there are locos and decoders which will allow you to use DC for speed and direction yet you can still have many sounds and even control some of them. Some sounds will be automatic on DC but you'll be able to control bell and horn/whistle. Several manufacturers make small boxes (about the size of a package of cigarettes or as large as a paperback book) which will give you control over more sounds.
-- D
This is what am trying to get Now I need to find what parts to get any info and thanks guy am getting some where
here are some of the loco id like to get sound on them, There are Bachmann .
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y494/coupman35/bth_loco013_zpscd6cebce.jpg?t=1365631992
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y494/coupman35/bth_loco007_zpsf98b15ed.jpg?t=1365631802
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y494/coupman35/bth_loco005_zpsf40e2826.jpg?t=1365631664
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y494/coupman35/bth_loco001_zps22d80db6.jpg?t=1365631528
Quote from: coupman35 on April 10, 2013, 05:48:20 PM
here are some of the loco id like to get sound on them, There are Bachmann .
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y494/coupman35/bth_loco013_zpscd6cebce.jpg?t=1365631992
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y494/coupman35/bth_loco007_zpsf98b15ed.jpg?t=1365631802
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y494/coupman35/bth_loco005_zpsf40e2826.jpg?t=1365631664
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y494/coupman35/bth_loco001_zps22d80db6.jpg?t=1365631528
None of the links worked for me.. If you copy and paste the link labeled, IMG. The photo will show up here right away.
SOP is to check your posting, first to make sure the photos show up.
All you have to do is, Modify your message with the IMG links and then I will remove my message. Not a big deal. Notice in the messages, Quote, Modify, Delete.
Rich
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Well I got some to work am getting the trick to this lol
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coup-
Here are a couple of units which operate sounds on DC. I think Atlas still has one and there may be others. MRC has a new product coming out which will run locomotives with what I think is RF but it looks like there will only be two frequencies so I'm not sure just what value it will really offer.
http://www.broadway-limited.com/bli-1011dcmasteranalogcontrolmodule.aspx
http://www.modelrectifier.com/search/product-view.asp?ID=8267
https://www.wholesaletrains.com/Detail.asp?ID=200486109
-- D
So do you think that any of this locos can be added a sound decoder to work just with dc and a sound controller.
coup-
The issue is not whether you can put sound in any of your locomotives. You can; any loco can be made to have sound, DCC or both. The real question is whether the work and expense involved are justified by the unenhanced loco or the final product.
And there is a subjective component of that. Just any old loco that doesn't run so well to begin with and lacks the level of detail which modern models have can become DCC and sound. In most cases, however, it would be a waste of time and money. Nevertheless, you might want to go ahead with an "ill-advised" conversion if the loco has sentimental value for you. Maybe it's the first loco you had when your children were still young and it brings back fond memories. Or maybe you were the kid when the loco came into the home and you and your Dad used to play with it.
Only you can decide where you come down with that component tossed into the mix.
-- D
Well all of them loco mean nothing to me so id like to do some add sound to them.Which one of the loco I have will be the easy one to do.Am what decoder will I need am going to go whit better brand am shirr that MRC are good for what id like .
Quote from: coupman35 on April 11, 2013, 06:53:46 PM
Well all of them locos mean nothing to me so I would like to do some add sound to them. Which one of the loco I have will be the easy one to do. And what decoder will I need am going to go with better. I sure that MRC are good for what I would like .
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First of all. How much current does each loco draw at 12 vdc. Most sound decoders are 1 amp max. You better get the newest MRC decoders. The past few years, we have read of many, many having a lot of trouble with MRC decoders.
Do you have a multimeter and know how to use it to measure DC current. I think I mentioned that before but do not remember you saying anything.
Figure at least $50.00 for a speaker and decoder. Many much better decoders can cost up to $130.00 each.
You realize you have to make sure the two motor contacts have no connections to the pickups or motor frames if the motors pickup directly from the frame halves. Some Bachmann locos are like that.
I belong to a bunch of train forums and some have blown decoders before because they did not check the loco motor closely.
Some were like kids and want to run the loco as soon as they put the decoder in and did not tape over unused decoder wires which touched a rail and smoked the decoder.
Right now I am suspicious of your experience with DCC. How many decoders can you afford to blow? Sorry to be so blunt but I have read of many blown decoders. It can be really discouraging for new users of DCC.
Rich
Ok am not shirr what to do for now am going to get just a sound box like the MRC 77 or something like that .I never made a decorder set up yet I saw a few on you tube am ok whit the use a volt meter I can solder to. It looks like it almos cheaper to get a train whit sound decoder in it.I will get back to you and thanks for the help an info .