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Title: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: martin t on November 18, 2016, 01:00:09 PM
Video tour of the totally amazing Miniature Wonderland, MiWuLa in Hamburg, Germany. This is the largest model railroad in the world!!!
This video covers the high-lights of the entire installation, including the new Italian section and also a Behind the scenes your. Bachmann engines and coaches in the US area. Welcome onboard!
https://youtu.be/1oKoA3zVAHA (https://youtu.be/1oKoA3zVAHA)
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: Terry Toenges on November 18, 2016, 01:52:14 PM
I really like the animation on the water and at the airport.
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: martin t on November 20, 2016, 10:18:53 AM
Quote from: Terry Toenges on November 18, 2016, 01:52:14 PM
I really like the animation on the water and at the airport.

Yes. It was a really cool layout with 100s of gallons with real water. They had a water cleaning system and a complex pumpsystem for it too.
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: rogertra on November 20, 2016, 05:06:36 PM
While I admire the modelling and details, I don't think is deserves the "model railroad" designation.

As their own title suggests, this is a "Miniature Wonderland" and railways are just one part of it.

It also has working roadways,  working shipping, an airport where planes take off and land so it could be called a model airport, or model road system, or a model harbour, all where the trains are just part of the scenery, as they are now.  After all, all the trains do is mindlessly circle around designated loops, it's not really a working model railroad, just part of a larger, very well done, model landscape.

Cheers

Roger T.

Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: Jhanecker2 on November 22, 2016, 08:44:26 AM
Regardless of what one calls it , it is a modeling work of Art .   It embodies all the disciplines  that model  railroading  employs  to generate a scene to operate in miniature .  Wish  I had the money & the time  to  build  something  similar  .  John2.
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: Len on November 22, 2016, 10:06:15 AM
They're own web site http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/ (http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/) calls it:

QuoteMiniatur Wunderland Hamburg

The largest model railway in the world, and one of the most successful permanent exhibitions in Northern Germany.

Len
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: jbrock27 on November 22, 2016, 11:45:18 AM
Quote from: Jhanecker2 on November 22, 2016, 08:44:26 AM
Regardless of what one calls it , it is a modeling work of Art .   It embodies all the disciplines  that model  railroading  employs  to generate a scene to operate in miniature .  John2.

Agree!  Don't know why anyone would expend the energy to state or even think, otherwise. ::) ???
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: Trainman203 on November 24, 2016, 04:21:44 PM
I have a bunch of questions.

Who owns it ?  Who paid for it?  Who built it?  What kind of facility is it located in?  How many square feet is it ?  Who maintains it?  How is maintenance access gained to the middle of those half mile or more vistas?  How do they keep their track clean?  Is that operating catenary?

Who operates it?  Is it a club? Is there any attempt to replicate prototypical operation or is it only (as it appears to be) non-prototypical continuous running? Is there any adherence to any era? (not familiar with European prototypes.)

Am I the only one who wonders about this kind of stuff?  
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: WoundedBear on November 24, 2016, 04:26:52 PM
http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/exhibit/wunderland/wunderland-story/wunderland-story/ (http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/exhibit/wunderland/wunderland-story/wunderland-story/)

Some good reading for inquiring minds.

Sid
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: Trainman203 on November 24, 2016, 04:37:55 PM
The website touches on some of the points. Not all.   The biggest surprise is that it is a private enterprise.

Man.  Those guys must have flipped a whole lot of houses.  Or had a fortune that needed spending.  How many of you have a wife that would let you do something like this?

I'm curious.  Would someone please covert the cost in euros to good old worthless American dollars?
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: WoundedBear on November 24, 2016, 04:40:00 PM
Man, you got a hard time finding anything for yourself........so here ya go.......

http://x-rates.com/ (http://x-rates.com/)

You can convert your US dollar into anything you desire.

Sid
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: Trainman203 on November 24, 2016, 05:00:25 PM
Thanks Sid.   I'm old and not very good on computers,  and don't like them much,  though I had to learn a certain amount for the job.  I still call up places on the phone to order things by phone, they don't like it but keeps my internet exposure down.

How about an update on your layout?  You had some very cool and well
detailed  period stuff.
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: WoundedBear on November 24, 2016, 05:08:13 PM
My layout has been sitting all summer. Damn race car took most of my time....and money. Momma says if we lose another engine, she's gonna sell the car for me...lmao.

I've been working on that crazy cab forward conversion.....got it up and running with sound but still need to tear it back apart for paint and final detail and reassemble it. Had to get it running to work out the bugs. Got an old structure kit under restoration.......fixed 3 Riv Heislers......waiting for parts on a BLI Mikado........tried to fix a guys Climax and sent it in for replacement....basket case. I'll post pics soon.

I really need to clean some track and get trains running again......winter is here and I'm not ready.

Sid
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: jbrock27 on November 24, 2016, 08:45:54 PM
Quote from: Trainman203 on November 24, 2016, 04:37:55 PM
Man.  Those guys must have flipped a whole lot of houses.

That doesn't work out so well for everyone, 'member?

Maybe they just learned to save their dough and then they pooled their resources....?

Quote from: Trainman203 on November 24, 2016, 04:37:55 PM
worthless American dollars

What makes you say/think that ???
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: Trainman203 on November 24, 2016, 11:36:02 PM
However whoever got the money, it was a great way to
spend it.
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: dutchbuilder on November 25, 2016, 05:24:43 AM
there is also a large layout in Rotterdam , the Netherlands.
http://www.miniworldrotterdam.com/ENGindex.htm

Ton
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: RAM on November 25, 2016, 01:15:08 PM
Yes they spent a lot of money, but they take in a lot of money.
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: Steve Magee on November 27, 2016, 05:09:17 AM
Having looked at layouts across the world - well, a few parts of it - US, UK, Europe - I find very, very, VERY few layouts are operated as a Model Railway (or railroad) - that is, as a railway in model form. Because if we did, it would be so complex (think of the paperwork for a start) there would be hardly anybody doing it. Do you set out your front- and rear-end brakemen before switching? Allow time for air lines to pump up? Stop at water points for steam long enough to fill a tender? Etc. We all compromise, some more than others. Here's a link to my compromise, though it has detailed up a bit since most of the pics were taken:

http://www.nmra.org.au/Layout_Tours/Magee/index.html

And yes, in my travels in Europe I did visit Miniature Wonderland. I thought it was amazing. In the hours I was there, not one derailment, no uncoupling, no failures. I would have killed for their work bench. I enjoyed every minute of it, though I wish my then one-year-old grandson was just that bit older to really enjoy it, and help sway him to the path of the Light, even if its a Mars Light.

Financing Miniature Wonderland? True story, I am told. The two principles involved went to a bank in Hamburg, and told the manager they were going to build a big model train set and all the world would come and see it, and asked for the money to build it. "OK", said the manager, "Here's x million Euros". Sigh.

Steve Magee
On30 Lumber Mountain RR
Newcastle NSW Aust
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: RAM on November 27, 2016, 02:38:16 PM
Steve do you recall what it cost to get into wonderland?
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: WoundedBear on November 27, 2016, 03:22:24 PM
http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/visit/prices/entrance-fees/ (http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/visit/prices/entrance-fees/)

Sid
Title: Re: Miniature Wunderland + Behind the scenes tour
Post by: Terry Toenges on November 27, 2016, 03:44:55 PM
I was wondering if it is bigger than Northlandz so I figured it out. Northlandz also has a small doll museum and art gallery included in their building.
http://www.northlandz.com/ (http://www.northlandz.com/)
Northlandz building is 52000 sq ft. That's 3831 sq meters.
Wunderland building is 6800 sq meters. That is 73194sq ft.
Track N - 50450 ft
Track W - 50524 ft.
Trains N - up to 100
Trains w - 1040
I guess I can deduce from that that Northlandz trains' have longer runs that Wunderland(?)
That's about all the stats that can be compared with the figures they both give.

http://www.northlandz.com/stats.html (http://www.northlandz.com/stats.html)
http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/exhibit/wunderland/wunderland-facts/ (http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/exhibit/wunderland/wunderland-facts/)