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Title: Need Help Please....
Post by: rdrivast on March 31, 2015, 08:26:37 AM
Hello,

Can anyone tell me which pieces are needed to build a loop with EZ track.....

Help...
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: jward on March 31, 2015, 10:01:06 AM
most likely, 12 pieces of 18" radius curve, or 16 pieces of 22" radius curve. you can insert pieces of 9" straight along each side as you see fit. one of the pieces should be a terminal track.
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Hunt on April 03, 2015, 08:31:05 PM
jward , has told you what to use to make a circle and how to convert the circle into an oval.


Is your question how to make a reverse loop like is on each end of the following?

(https://www.azatrax.com/image/TwoLoopSingleMain.png)

Or do you have something else in mind?

Will you use DC or DCC to run locomotives?
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: rdrivast on April 06, 2015, 08:04:30 AM
thanks pal .. exactly what I want to do. But I wonder what exactly is that parts need ez track. Since I have tried several times and do not add me parts. I tried with 18 "and 22.5" curved tracks, starting with a left turn 18 ".
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Jerrys HO on April 06, 2015, 08:12:21 AM
rdrivast,

To make a loop depends on the turnouts and radius you are using. If you download the free trial of anyrail you can design it yourself for free up to 50 pieces. There is a large selection of track available.
https://www.anyrail.com/index_en.html

Jerry
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Hunt on April 06, 2015, 12:39:38 PM
Build with HO Bachmann E-Z Track sectional track as follows.

The geometry is not precise requiring one slight forced connection

Fits in 4 x 6 space

For the loop on left
1 - 44565. Remote Left turnout #5
Start connecting track on through route
1 - 44592 Straight 2" (from Connector Assortment)
4 - 44511 Straight 9"
8 - 44501 Curve radius 18
2 - 44511 Straight 9"
2 - 44503 Curve radius 22"
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: rdrivast on April 06, 2015, 08:53:54 PM
Thank Hunt ... whether to force a little connection .. but it turned out ... thank you very much.
Now the proper electrical connection to operate the machines ..
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: jward on April 06, 2015, 10:30:16 PM
keep in mind that the loop section must be gapped and isolated from the rest of the layout. I suggest that you google reverse loop wiring and read up on how to wire this configuration before you try to build it. if you don't insulate both rails you will have a dead short
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Joe Satnik on April 07, 2015, 10:25:45 AM
Dear All,

There are many solutions to make that turn-around loop,

you just have to play with your CAD program and a calculator (slope formula) till you stumble onto a No-Kink one.   

One No-Kink solution inspired by (totally ripped off from) Hunt:

For the loop on left

1 - 44565. Remote Left turnout #5

Start connecting track on through (mainline) route, precise order is important:

1 - 44513 Straight 2-1/4"

4 - 44511 Straight 9"

1 - 44501 Curve radius 18"-30 degrees to left

1 - 44509 (2/3) Curve radius 33.25"-12 degrees to left

1 - 44531 (Half) Curve radius 18"-15 degrees to left

6 - 44501 Curve radius 18"-30 degrees to left

2 - 44511 Straight 9"

2 - 44592-5  Straight 2" from straight fitter assortment, or 44541S,  Straight 2" from 90 degree crossing

2 - 44503 Curve radius 22"-22.5 degrees to right

For fun, build it on AnyRail.

Thanks to Bachmann for the large variety of E-Z Track pieces.

Free the 2" Straights. (Blast from the past.)

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik

Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Joe Satnik on April 07, 2015, 04:47:59 PM
Dear All,

Another No-Kink turn-around loop solution, a bit more elegant,

with pseudo-easments on the ends of the 18" curves, but not on the 22"R.

1 ea. 44565. Remote Left turnout #5

Start connecting track on through (mainline) route, precise order is important:

1 ea. 44592-3 Straight 1-1/4" from straight fitter assortment

1 ea. 44513 Straight 2-1/4"

4 ea. 44511 Straight 9"

1 ea. 44508 (1/3) Curve radius 33.25"-6 degrees to left (pseudo-easement)

1 ea. 44531 (Half) Curve radius 18"-15 degrees to left

7 ea. 44501 Curve radius 18"-30 degrees to left

1 ea. 44508 (1/3) Curve radius 33.25"-6 degrees to left (pseudo-easement)

2 ea. 44511 Straight 9"

2 ea. 44503 Curve radius 22"-22.5 degrees to right

1 ea. 44592-4  Straight 1.5" from straight fitter assortment

Again, try it on AnyRail.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik

Edit:  replaced "-"(dash)  with "ea." for clarity
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Hunt on April 07, 2015, 08:16:58 PM
Joe or anyone,
If you have time (or curiosity) calculate the cost of my slightly not geometrically precise but it works solution vs your precise solutions.
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Joe Satnik on April 07, 2015, 08:52:54 PM
List prices or street prices?
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Joe Satnik on April 07, 2015, 09:02:35 PM
One loop or two?

Entire cost of packages, including unused/leftover track pieces, or just what is used ?

Bulk/individual cost (where applicable) or just package cost?
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: rdrivast on April 07, 2015, 09:04:09 PM
Hey Joe ... your first proposal is more feasible .. The second proposal seems to be forcing much the union of the parts.

Without doubt, this post is achieving what I set out initially ... generate ideas for Ez Track .. perhaps many people like me who are starting in the hobby this track format is more friendly for the first scale models.

Thanks for the feedback and continue contributing ideas for the layout creation ...
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Joe Satnik on April 07, 2015, 09:15:10 PM
RD,

Hmm, I think my second attempt fits fairly nicely on my AnyRail screen.

Perhaps I transcribed it wrong, or the order got messed up or something. 

I'll double check on my end... gotta run for a bit, though.

Joe
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Hunt on April 07, 2015, 09:24:44 PM
Quote from: rdrivast on April 07, 2015, 09:04:09 PM
. . .
Without doubt, this post is achieving what I set out initially ... generate ideas for Ez Track ..
. . .

Seems you are not aware of Bachmann's E-Z Model Railroads Track Planning Book or the layout plans that can be found on the Net.
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Hunt on April 07, 2015, 09:35:36 PM
Joe,  For cost calculation to build --  one loop --  you have no track and are buying all from Bachmann Online Store. 
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Joe Satnik on April 08, 2015, 12:15:42 AM
As requested:

Hunt first loop: $148                              2nd loop: $97.25       total both loops: $245.25

Joe first loop:  $180                               2nd loop: $97.25       total both loops: $277.25

Difference:        $32 or +21.6%                               $0 or 0%                           $32 or +13.0%

This is using my latter design with pseudo-easements.  

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik

Edit: change to "latter"
Title: Re: Need Help Please....
Post by: Joe Satnik on April 08, 2015, 08:51:48 AM
RD,

My latter design checks out both on my AnyRail screen and the list transcribed here on the Bachmann Board.

*On AnyRail it shows no (zero) mathematical error in the X or Y direction, (probably within 0.005" - lucky break),

and shows no (zero) angle (degrees) error.

I did clarify the list with "ea."  instead of a dash "-".

Try it on AnyRail again, it should work.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik

Edit: *This, of course, depends on how close AnyRail's mathematical models are to the real track pieces.

Edit: Changed "compass" error to "angle (degrees)" error.