Hi, ich search for a List of all E-33 Catalog and Roadnumbers
I have
Item No. 82404 = New Haven #300
Item No. 82404 = New Haven #306
Item No. 82407 = New Haven #304
Item No. 82405 = Penn Central #4605
More ????
i am pretty sure there was a Virginian one made, and probably a conrail too.
Jeff;
They did produce a "Virginian" model. Nice looking paint, too.
SGT C.
There was in fact Virginian and Conrail engines produced, I have a Conrail.
Sorry, all Post not help.
I am looking for a complete list of all produced Spectrum E-33 with all Item Number and all Road Numbers.
five roadnames only the 5th is Norfolk & Western
Quote from: chessyger on June 04, 2015, 05:59:15 AM
Sorry, all Post not help.
I am looking for a complete list of all produced Spectrum E-33 with all Item Number and all Road Numbers.
82402 Spectrum Electric GE E33 Powered -- Virginian (No #)
82403 Spectrum Electric GE E33 Powered -- Norfolk & Western (No #)
82404 Spectrum Electric GE E33 Powered -- New Haven #306
82405 Spectrum Electric GE E33 Powered -- Penn Central #4605
82406 Spectrum Electric GE E33 Powered -- Conrail #4608
82407 E33 Electric - Standard DC - Spectrum -- New Haven #304
I purchased all of the New Haven E33's as they came out, and just checked the boxes. I found the same thing Chessyger has in his original post, there are three New Haven E33's.
Road number 304 is Item #82407.
Both road numbers 306 and 300 came in boxes labeled with Item #82404.
I have no idea if there was a rerun, and the road number got changed. Or if someone at the factory forgot to change the Item number on for the different road number.
Len
I am a big fan of the Virginian Railway and the E-33 electrics in particular. Since they probably did not sell very well Bachmann will probably not run them again anytime soon. I think that they were very well done locomotives and hope that they will re-run them again some day. I just picked up one on EBAY in Virginian colors which is very hard to find and it also runs very well. My only trouble was fitting a decoder in since the 8 pin plug sticks up so high in the housing. I am trying to assemble examples in each of the railroads that ran them Virginian, N&W, New Haven, PRR, and Conrail I believe per the previous posts.
Grandpuff (Duke)
I forgot to mention this on my last post, The Virginian and the N&W did not have any numbers printed on the cabs, but they both had numbers displayed in the clear number boards which you can see when the lights are on. The Virginian is #140, and the N&W is #235. I hope this helps those compiling a list of items produced.
Grandpuff
As I think back, It seems to me that when the New Haven's receivers bought the Virginian's 12 E-33s, they retained the motor numbers. Incidentally, this was probably one of the very few positive steps they did, after McGinnis ruined the road, along with a rapacious group of board members.
Rich C.
Actually I believe that when the Virginian units went to N&W they just added 100 to the previous numbers, so #135 became #235 etc.
When they went to the New Haven they were re-numbered #300 to #311.
When they went to the Penn Central they were re-numbered #4600 to #4611 and retained those numbers when PC became Conrail.
The only unit painted N&W was #235.
One unit was wrecked and it went to New Haven with the others for spare parts.
Interesting history, I think these are very nicely done, and I hope they will be re-run some day.
Grandpuff
Puffy;
I have, in my early travels as an electrician up and down the "West End", had seen many trains with "bricks" on stud. You are right- they were something. I recall "Shoreliner" mag doing a feature on them about twenty or so years aback; it was called (wouldn't you guess...) "The Brick".
As I had mentioned earlier on here, Purchasing these units from "Virginian" Was one of the more brighter moves the Post-McGinnis management had done. In talking to some of the LHS people around Southern New England, they seemed to move off of the shelves pretty quick, just like the DL-109s. The New Haven had lots of fans, I guess.
Rich C.
Since my last post I have been able to purchase one of each road name that Bachmann produced for the E-33, Virginian, Norfolk & Western, New Haven, Penn Central, and Conrail. I am still searching for one more Virginian so that I can run them back to back as they usually were run. Now I need more decoders. So these Bachmann locomotives are still out there if you search for them.
Grandpuff (Duke)
Grandpuff;
I have a couple of New Haven "bricks" and have had some success in running them back-to-back, with one address. The neat thing, to the best of my knowledge-and I did this some time ago-you have to reverse the motor leads, lest you have a tug-o'-war. I have mine "draw-barred" when they are operating.
As much as I love the looks of motors running in operation, I do not have catenary up, so they sit on the shelf. To me, one of the wisest moves the New Haven receivers made was to buy these units, and one of the stupidest moves McGuiness made was to scrap the EP-3s, etc. I have a photo of an EP-4 heading a string from the carfloats, going over one of the dozen or so "draws" the New Haven had on the "west end".
RIch C.
I knew the NH was doomed when I saw the "flatbottoms" lose their Hunter green and gold. They came out of the shop in a weird white and orange scheme instead. I was a lot younger then, but I actually cried when I heard they were being scrapped.
Len
Quote from: Len on August 02, 2015, 10:25:37 AM
...a weird white and orange scheme instead. I was a lot younger then, but I actually cried when I heard they were being scrapped. Len
"Weird"? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think I have ever cried over anything train related.
Yup. Weird, as in looked like an escapee from a circus train:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8207/8186558919_18e1a79449_b.jpg)
Len
Maybe you think blue being my favorite color is weird, maybe, if your favorite color happened to be purple, I would say that was weird ::)...
Maybe it's because for the most part I grew up with the pre-McGinnis New Haven.
Len
Len;
I'm with you. I remember once me and a friend were hanging around at Quincy Station, and this named train (probably the Merchant or the Whitehead) pulled in, headed up by a pair of PA-1s, the stainless passenger cars with the hunter green logo on the corners; and the conductor was off-loading-of all things-a bunch of chick boxes, loaded with baby chicks-with the usual care and professionalism that only Buck Dumaine would have wanted! It was in the springtime, around Easter; and for some reason, it stuck with me to this day. Name trains did not usually have Quincy as a stop. Speaking of colour schemes; Don Ball, in his book; "America's Colorful Railroads", there was a photo of a Florida-Greenville-Boston symbol freight headed up by two DL-109s...In ALUMINUM PAINT and White herald; I couldn't believe my eyes! I NOW have models of that pair on my shelf!! The white heralds and pinstripes were a BEE-ZZZZZZCH to do!!!
I know I have mentioned it before, but also saw a photo of a 109 done up in McGuiness colors of Chinese Vermillion, White, and black. From the photo, I would have to say [that the] poor ALCO certainly deserved better!
Rich C.
Rich C.
I run DCC so it is an easy task to set them up in consist any way I want to run them.
Grandpuff
Gramp;
My point is that if you MU them back to back, if you swap leads on one unit, you can get them to function in unison with just one address, and no monkeying around-not in the case of like-matched units anyway.
RIch C.
len,
while I can sympathise whit you not liking the new paint scheme on the electrics, repaints should be viewed as a positive sign.
as a general rule, repaints are a sign the railroad is willing to invest money in repairs on these locomotives. it is rare, though it has happened, for a railroad to repaint a locomotive they are planning on getting rid of in the near future.
Jeff,
Normally I would agree with that assessment regarding repaints. With McGinnis it was 90% ego, putting his "mark" on the railroad, and 10% trying to present a "modern" image. At least according to the PR releases at the time.
The reality with the New Haven at the time was the money would have been better spent on long over due maintenance projects.
Len
I'd like to add that the biggest mistake McGuiness ever made was scrapping those big electrics, the EP-2,3,4, and the EF3. If properly maintained, those motors would have been sucking juice off of the catenary today.
RIch C
A new message to Chessyger about Bachmann E-33 Virginian. I just picked up another Virginian E-33 so that I can run the pair back to back as the prototype often did.
I just noticed that the second loco was numbered #135 not #140 as my first one. The box numbers are the same 82402 for both numbers. the same situation as the New Haven. There may other road numbers out there for the other road names as well so your list may not be complete yet.
Grandpuff (Duke)
Grampy;
I cannot speak with qualification on the Virginian, but the New Haven, when running tandem "bricks", had a buss between the units. Unless I missed something, for some reason, running one pan up for both units was advantageous. It does, to me-as an electrician-seem odd that you would run only one pan up to the wire, picking up 11KV for both. That kind of current would seem to be hell on the shoe.
RIch C
Couple of items.
The EP-3's were never Hunter Green and Gold. In the Hunter Green scheme they had pearl-gray striping and lettering. They had DuLux Gold striping when they were in #13 Pullman Green and Imitation Gold when repainted in #401 Exterior Green.
The NH never had an E33 or a "Brick."
On the VGN and N&W they were class EL-C, NH class EF-4, PC and CR E33.
On the NH they were referred to as "Virginians."
This "Brick" thing comes from H. Reid's book on the VGN where he said "The EL-C's possessed the beauty of misshapen bricks."
Rich: The reason the NH would run with one pan raised for the 2 units was to save wear. Since the NH was bankrupt, even a pantograph was too expensive an item. The rectifiers for example were $3K each in 1964! Sometimes, not often they would run 3 EF-4s to make up for missing rectifier tubes.
The 301 and 303 were fitted with experimental Faively pans which were eventually damaged and never replaced with a conventional pan. As was stated earlier, when running single pan only, the 11000V bus was used. Never saw photos of this situation on either the VGN or N&W.
Rick;
Back when I was driving tractor-trailer, I peddled New Haven and Bridgeport. I was able to watch EF-4s in action along the Viaduct; sometimes getting to see the "float trains" being hauled to Cedar Hill; the whole thing was impressive as hell to see. I wasn't around here earlier enough to see any motors other than the Jets, and the EF-4s in action. Speaking as an electrician, there must have been a great sight!
BTW; you still running on the Housatonic?
Rich C.
Rich:
I retired from the Housatonic as Sup't in 2012. I started on the NH in 2/68.
Rick
So what do you do with all that spare time now?
I try to find different ways to mix bourbon...
Actually, I thought I was retired, but every day, I think I am busier than I was when I was working!
Rich C.
This is an update for Chessyger regarding his Bachmann E-33 list. I have been able to confirm the following information through recent purchases to complete my collection of E-33's as follows:
82402 Virginian #135 and #140 (No cab numbers, check the lighted number boards)
82403 N&W #235 (N&W only re-painted #235 to N&W) (N&W added 100 to the Virginian numbers)
82404 New Haven #300 and #306
82405 Penn Central #4605 and #4607
82406 Conrail #4603 and #4608
82407 New Haven #304 and ??? (There may be another number out there I have not found yet)
I hope this information is of value to anyone else interested in these very nicely detailed Bachmann Spectrum models. I have been able to pick up all of these on EBAY for less than the original price which I believe was $139.95. My experience is that the Virginian is the hardest to find, and the others are easier. I have converted all of these to DCC using NCE N12SRP decoders which fit easily. When I consist 5 or 6 of these together and run them on my layout it is an awesome sight indeed.
Grandpuff (Duke)
Duke - I believe #300, #304, and #306 are it for the New Haven. I've looked, and looked hard, for a long time for any others, with no success.
Len
Thanks for the info Len. I thought that since all of the other stock numbers had two loco numbers except the N&W that 82407 might have two numbers also.
So as far as I know I now have one of each number produced.
I think that the E-33's came out around 2004, does anyone know how many years they were produced ?
I guess the only one that might be able to answer these questions would be the Bachmann ???
Grandpuff (Duke)
I have just discovered by digging through this site that the E-33's were last cataloged in 2009 and that Bachmann still has a few of these left in stock for $99 each. As I remember, one N&W, one Penn Central, and less than five Conrails.
Grandpuff (Duke)
Hey guys;
If any of you are interested, I stumbled across a brass New Haven EP-4 on Evil-Bay yesterday.
And also-if any of you would be so inclined to modification, there is a Brasilian prototype that could be made into a reasonable facsimile of the abovementioned. I ran across that one sometime last year.
Rich C.