Dear Bach Man,
I you are like me you might have a "Lack" of insperation for new locomotives in Large Scale. As for me I have a "Lack" of insperation for my art work. Any way I hope this topic would help with ideas for new Large Scale locomotives. I've heard Your releasing a 1:20.3 Scale K-27, I hope you are. To start things off my suggestion for a new locomotive would be a 1:20.3 Scale K-28. Especialy the famous "Bumble Bee" scheme.(My personal favorite) Also I think an interesting concept would be a line of "Cog" engines like those used on the "Pikes Peak" cog railway and the "Mt. Washington Cog railway". So any way here are some starter thaughts and I am looking forward to other people's opinions and ideas.
One large scale locomotive that I would really like to see, and I would
buy, is the Southern Pacific narrow gauge 4-6-0. In my opinion, engine
8, 9, or 18; with the whaleback tender; would be a hit.
It would work great with the new Bachmann SPNG boxcar and flatcar.
Ron Grau
Updated Centennials with steel cab, 'straight' stack. optional old/new domes supplied, optional oil/coal fittings for tender, extended smokebox, air brakes and 'modern' oil/electric lighting. Many older smaller locos made it into 1930s with these upgrades. I would put out the 2-6-0 version first as I suspect that these may have been in the majority to be upgraded in real life????
A re-run of the CLIMAX with new metal trucks PLEASE i need one to add to the shay and heisler.
Well here is for waiting.
Reds ;D
Quote from: bigreds on July 10, 2007, 01:29:24 AMA re-run of the CLIMAX with new metal trucks PLEASE i need one to add to the shay and heisler. Well here is for waiting.
Reds ;D
I'd second that motion - the number of times I could have sold my Climax over the last few years....thankfully it's running like a watch. People who have never seen one just fall in love with it at the first sighting.
tac
www.ovgrs.org
How about a class A Climax?
Wade
Poor Bach Man has been thru this before!!....but why not! How about EBT's #11. Somewhat of a small engine, one of a kind...more a less...just like the Connie. Shorter rigid wheel base than a 2-8-0 or 2-8-2....i think! Could be modeled as it was when it was retired and shipped somewhere in the early forties. Give us rod fans something modern to go with the Connie. Thanks for listening.
bob
Quote from: Wade Colyer on July 10, 2007, 09:36:41 AM
How about a class A Climax?
Wade
Build one, I did and its not that tough... ;)
Quote from: gunslinger473 on June 30, 2007, 08:20:46 PM
Dear Bach Man,
I you are like me you might have a "Lack" of insperation for new locomotives in Large Scale. As for me I have a "Lack" of insperation for my art work. Any way I hope this topic would help with ideas for new Large Scale locomotives. I've heard Your releasing a 1:20.3 Scale K-27, I hope you are. To start things off my suggestion for a new locomotive would be a 1:20.3 Scale K-28. Especialy the famous "Bumble Bee" scheme.(My personal favorite) Also I think an interesting concept would be a line of "Cog" engines like those used on the "Pikes Peak" cog railway and the "Mt. Washington Cog railway". So any way here are some starter thaughts and I am looking forward to other people's opinions and ideas.
All the K's have been avalaible for a while now, as has the C16 BumbleBee, its just they are very very expensive finescale brass models a that cost as much as a used car. :o
As for affordable models...Bmann will be issueing a 1/20 scale K27 sometime before the end of the decade, and thats not that far off ya know.
Personally I would like to see a different small engine being offered, the 1/20 Porter just didnt do anything for me as I already have 2 of the earlier Porters, maybe a 1/20 scale 0-6-0T, 2-6-0T or 2-6-2T tank engine based on the Indy would get my blood up, but so far I feel like us small layout types have been getting shortchanged in favor of the "bigger is better" crowd
As for a Class A Climax, I really do not know why we havent seen one yet?
Afterall the same trucks from the Class B Climax could heve been used, and Bmann could have issued both open cab or enclosed cab versions or a vertical boilered version all using the same drivetrain...
I got dam sick and tired of waiting to see what bones we would get tossed and invariably being disappointed year after year that I began building my own geared engine models! I'm up to geared creature #6 with enough stuff to build one more! Probably an enclosed Class A this time, maybe a vertical boilered one at that ;D
This gets kicked around from time to time, and typically I'm fairly faitful in lobbying for EBT's #12. So, I'll continue to lobby for that first.
However, the discussion about other prototypes has gotten me thinking that perhaps another good candidate would be something like the aforementioned SPNG 10-wheelers, or perhaps something like C&S #9, which is a medium sized mogul. I know it's similar to the LGB mogul, but when properly scaled at 1:20, I think it would be different enough to appeal to a good number of folks, and more importantly, fairly easy to adapt to 2-6-0s that ran on a large number of railroads.
Later,
K
A Spectrum C&S #9 would have the advantage of all of that great detailing that Spectrum locos have. I die every time I see an LBG C&S mogul on ebay going for $500 or more, come on Bachmann!
A better 2-4-2T or a 2-6-2T would be great to have. A second option would be a 2-6-6-2 Tank and/or Tender logging Mallet.
:-X
Dear Mr. Bach Man and All,
Greetings from Roswell, New Mexico!
Today, July 18, 2007, I placed an order for the SP narrow gague box car #88096. It looks great in the web photos.
Maybe, God willing, next month I plan to order the SP flat car.
I would like to add my $.02's worth and suggest an SP whale back loco and caboose or maybe a comb. car.
I plan to build a 6'X 15' X 7' shelf layout on our new front poarch. How wide would you suggest the shelf be to make the quarter curves? Would 2' be wide enough? or maybe 30"? I know 2' would be the cheapest but I thought I had better ask the experts.
I have had trouble attempting to post but it was worth it to see your new forum. Thanks for any help that you can give me.
Jack Mette
I'd like to see some standard gauge steam :D
Quote from: ryeguyisme on July 18, 2007, 07:32:49 PM
I'd like to see some standard gauge steam :D
ME TOO!
A standard gauge 2-6-0, 2-6-2 or small 2-8-0 in 1:20.3 (F) scale running on 70.6mm (2.78") gauge track would be great!! Take a look at Sierra RR #28. For anyone not familiar, it's the 2-8-0 shown on the turntable (behind Christian Spencer) in the lead-in to the PBS program "
Tracks Ahead". SRR #28 is a great example of Western U.S. SG shortline steam power. In case measuring (or recording the sound) is necessary, it's still available (and in operation) at the California State Railroad Museum's Railtown 1897 in Jamestown, CA.
Not being selfish, an F scale standard gauge logging Prairie (2-6-2) would also work just fine.
BTW, plastic tie strips for 70.6mm gauge track (using code 250 rail) are available from Iron Creek Shops. He also has dual (45mm & 70.6mm) gauge strips available. Great way to show the contrast between SG & NG.
Happy RRing,
Jerry
lrparks & others
jeese guys I certainly didn't mean to insult anyone or ruffle your feathers.
As I said before I have never modeled in G scale RR and after some of the nasty and mundane remarks from some of you guys I don't think that I will continue participating in a forum where new ideas seem to make certain people threatened, you have made me aware of certain other problems that I will have to try and over come in my endeavor, however necessity is the mother of invention and some of the greates inventenions and technilogical advances were after all thought of by ordinary people and not high paid consultants and engineers, anyway good luck with your endeavors and this forum, as I will no longer be participating.
new G:
I'm confused by your notice of abandonment. What does it have to do with this thread "Large Scale Locomotive Suggestions"? Neither you nor irparks have posted to this thread.
I would politely suggest that you're pretty sensitive if you're somehow offended by a thread that you haven't participated in nor that has even mentioned your name. Take a few deep breaths or you're liable to hurt yourself!! :) :) :)
BTW, real geniuses usually hang in, just to show all the nay-sayers what can really be done!
Happy RRing,
Jerry
I would like to see a 1890 Rogers.
tom
An 1890 Roges! That would be awsome as it is one of my favorite SG engines.
Hi again all:
Some years back FED ( Far East Dist. ) offered plain jane brass HO 4-4-0's and 2-6-0's in 1890 or 1910 styles. Say four engines with an assortment of stacks, headlights, fuel loads and such painted but unlettered. Something like this in standard 1:22.5 scale like the Annie which would go around R1 curves would be a welcome item.
I know you can't give out production numbers but are the painted, unlettered engines a better seller than the lettered ones?
Wade
As Bachmann hasn't been very successful in keeping up with its
1:20.3 narrow gauge manufacturing and sales, adding yet another
gauge seems to be counterproductive.
Lee Carlson
well..it wouldnt be a different gauge, it would be a different scale.. ;)
gauge would be the same.
but I agree..anything new in 1/22.5 scale would be pointless..
Scot
Hi:
When I said standard, I ment not Spectrum. It would still be Gauge 1.
Wade
Quote from: new G on July 19, 2007, 07:51:00 PM
lrparks & others
jeese guys I certainly didn't mean to insult anyone or ruffle your feathers.
As I said before I have never modeled in G scale RR and after some of the nasty and mundane remarks from some of you guys I don't think that I will continue participating in a forum where new ideas seem to make certain people threatened
This seems to relate to the thread " Topic: Question for Tony or anyone else on RCS" on the Large Forum. Mr Parks asked after RC systems & New G reckoned he was going to make a system which ran the onboard (RX) part from track power. As it happens Mr Parks was enquiring in the context of battery power; others did raise questions about the proposal New G had aired. New G seems to be affronted that his Big Idea was not greeted with rapture. IIRC something like his system has been proposed before but AFAIK it has never made it into commercial production, possibly because of the success of DCC?
Sam E
I'll tell you what, I for one would LOVE to have a Large scale K-28 in the BB paint!
Quote from: samevans on August 01, 2007, 01:32:56 PM
Quote from: new G on July 19, 2007, 07:51:00 PM
lrparks & others
jeese guys I certainly didn't mean to insult anyone or ruffle your feathers.
As I said before I have never modeled in G scale RR and after some of the nasty and mundane remarks from some of you guys I don't think that I will continue participating in a forum where new ideas seem to make certain people threatened
This seems to relate to the thread " Topic: Question for Tony or anyone else on RCS" on the Large Forum. Mr Parks asked after RC systems & New G reckoned he was going to make a system which ran the onboard (RX) part from track power. As it happens Mr Parks was enquiring in the context of battery power; others did raise questions about the proposal New G had aired. New G seems to be affronted that his Big Idea was not greeted with rapture. IIRC something like his system has been proposed before but AFAIK it has never made it into commercial production, possibly because of the success of DCC?
Sam E
Someone seems to have hijacked my ID. I did not write this post. The only topic I have posted on in recent times is the Davenport ic loco.
Sam E
Dear Sam,
How long ago is recent? The post you are quoting is almost 2 years old.
Sincerely,
Joe Satnik
I would love to see some DSP Locos like a Mason Bogie and some Cooke 2-6-0's and 2-8-0's
Sorry, but I love the western Stuff, C&S, DSP, RGS and even the D&S!
Quote from: Joe Satnik on May 22, 2009, 07:25:14 AM
Dear Sam,
How long ago is recent? The post you are quoting is almost 2 years old.
Sincerely,
Joe Satnik
Er yes I did post it....two years ago. It showed up yesterday as a recent reply to a posting. Have no idea why, hence confusion. I did not recognise it as 'recent'. My recent posting has been about the Davenport Gas Mechanical and whether any prototype info is available, hence my confusion!!!!
Sam E
Dear Sam,
Any time I read a thread and can't make heads or tails of it, I suspect "old, old resurrected thread", and look for the date.
Comes with experience.
Sincerely,
Joe Satnik
Okay, this is an oooooold thread, still, since it's up, I'll add something.
My tastes are probably such a minority market it'll never happen, but oh well, here goes: my tastes generally prefer 1850s, 1860s, 1870s "Early" railroads.
How about 'up-scaleing' those HO scale John Bull, Lafayette, DeWitt Clinton, sets to 1:24 scale with adjustment to run on proportionally narrower track, roughly 3ft6in at 1:24 to the original's 4ft 8.5in in HO scale/guage.
One of those 1840s Baldwin Flexible Beam 0-8-0 locos like in John H. White Jr.'s book American Locomotives: An Engineering History, 1830-1880 Figure 202 on page 401.
Ah! Found it on google books:
http://books.google.com/books?id=1A4iiGAz628C&pg=PA397&lpg=PA397&dq=baldwin+%22flexible+beam%22+locomotive&source=bl&ots=pr1tynvYTx&sig=EtlcvwGYYXAV9iuvUyod8YupAl0&hl=en&ei=RrkYSozVBZb2MeCR5ZgP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA401,M1 (http://books.google.com/books?id=1A4iiGAz628C&pg=PA397&lpg=PA397&dq=baldwin+%22flexible+beam%22+locomotive&source=bl&ots=pr1tynvYTx&sig=EtlcvwGYYXAV9iuvUyod8YupAl0&hl=en&ei=RrkYSozVBZb2MeCR5ZgP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA401,M1)
Oh, to dream the impossible dream . . .
"How about 'up-scaleing' those HO scale John Bull, Lafayette, DeWitt Clinton, sets to 1:24 scale"
Awesome suggestion!
No, because 4' 8-1/2" --> 45mm = 1:32 scale
If you are going to move away from G or F (Bachmann's strong scale preferences in Large Scale), why not scale it properly?
Or, use the most popular 45mm standard gauge scale, which (unfortunately) is 1:29.
Hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Joe Satnik
What do you mean 'NO"?
If we can have a Thomas in G why can't we have John Bull, Lafayette, DeWitt Clinton? I have nothing against rivet counters, but hey, this is supposed to FUN!
Well, Casey,
Beyond being fun, a proposed model has to meet certain requirements.
Again, you are asking Bachmann to depart from 1:22.5 and 1:20.3, its LS strong points, and whatever scale the new 45 mm gauge Thomas is.
Why did you choose 1:24 (= over-scaled by 33.3 percent) for the John Bull, Lafayette, and DeWitt Clinton?
What scale is B'mann's new 45mm gauge Thomas?
What scale should it be for 45mm track (given that the show models are based on "face added" 4' 8-1/2" gauge real prototypes)? (See my previous post.)
Have other (e.g. O, HO) gauge Thomas models been over-scaled by 33.3 percent?
I'll admit that a bump to 1:29 (10.3 percent over-scaled) became popular for standard gauge prototypes on 45mm track, but 33.3 percent over-scaled (1:24) is way out of proportion.
So, please make your case to the Board of Directors for re-scaling (stretching) the body to 1:24 while leaving the wheel gauge proportion at 1:32.
Will it sell more, or generate more profit for the company?
Sincerely,
Joe Satnik
edit: spelling
With all respect, I think you are taking this too serious. I don't see anything wrong with making a train that is fun. Why does it matter what SCALE it is. 1:29 is not technically correct for std gauge (1:32 is correct, which is done by MTH and some others) yet it is produced by USA Trains, Aristo etc. and people buy them. 1:22.5 or 1:24 for american narrow gauge which is/was produced by LGB, Bachmann, HartLand Loco Works and Aristo is not correct (1:20.3 is) yet people buy lots of them and have FUN with them.
Again, I have nothing against folks who are rivet counters and want everything to be exact. However, some of us just want to play with our trains and don't need a museum quality exact replica to do that.
The bottom line is this, IF Bachmann thinks they can make money on it, they will make it, if not, then they will not built it, regardless of what you or I think.
So, lets go enjoy our trains, at least we can control our own railroads!
With all this scale and track talk I'll say it again, when is Bachmann going to make some spectrum 1:20.3 passenger cars
These I know will sell because everyone I talk to about it would like to have them. I don't need a new Steamer I need the cars to match.
Jeff
I Want my SPECTRUM Coaches NOW!
What ever happened to PLEASE
Dear CJ,
You didn't promote or defend the choice of 1:24 scale. You just said sloppy sells and is fun.
Dear on30gn15 and CJ,
You've decided to put your money where your mouth is and invest $100,000 in the mold making process.
Here's a fun pre-mold making research assignment for you.
What are the boiler diameters of the John Bull, Lafayette, and DeWitt Clinton?
Either look up the prototype diameters, or the measure the Bachmann HO Scale model diameters with a caliper.
Where are the tops of the driver wheel flanges compared to the center line of the boilers? ..
Thanks.
Sincerely,
Joe Satnik
Dear Lord!
LOL!!!!
:D
I Want my SPECTRUM Coaches NOW!
Pretty please with sugar on top and whipped cream a apple sauce.
If it will get the coaches. I will say it anyway needed ;D
Jeff
New locomotive? What new locomotive?? There is a new Bachmann locomotive;-))) grab one before they are gone!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110383063169 Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
Interesting thread....kind of like the energizer bunny! Funny thing though, since this thread first was posted what has been announced? I'm going to go out on a limb and make a LS locomotive suggestion: any locomotive! Why not re-release the Indie or perhaps the Columbia upgraded with new gearing and more weight? The Climax has been out of production for almost 10 years now so it would be a good candidate. Heck, the 20th Anniversary of the Big Hauler is coming up! Now would be a great time to upgrade the tender (and add all of those DCC gizmos) which would bring the Big Hauler up to Spectrum standards in 1:22.5! Heck, I'm even ready for the Vulcan (Whooee! I never thought I'd hear myself say that!)
ya very true...its all bout having fun.
I would personally love to see some ET&WNC or EBT stuff in 1/20.3. Then maybe Some SRR steam power in 1/29th that would be nice as well.
Quote from: Joe Satnik on May 27, 2009, 12:31:53 PM
Where are the tops of the driver wheel flanges compared to the center line of the boilers? ..
;) fun exercise that. Now I have not used a caliper or even a vague measurement other than my eyes, recollection and "trains of the world" (or somesuch).
It appears you have a take off a rather large part of the boiler to make it for gauge one and 1/24.
I bet the driving wheels will have to be inside the boiler?
Am I right?
This problem can even be seen when trying to make a scale model in any scale, the model wheels will usually be thicker and have a larger flange, so usually the solution is pushing the frames in just a bit, not visible. This is even more apparent in 1/29 and also in a bunch of LGB "standard gauge" locomotives at roughly 1/27.
Making a 1/24 model while keeping 45mm track gauge is virtually impossible for an inside framed locomotive.
(or a loco where the driving wheels are very visible, and just next to the boiler)
Dear Hagen,
You said:
"Making a 1/24 model while keeping 45mm track gauge is virtually impossible for an inside framed locomotive."
Thanks for using your noggin.
I'd add "of a standard gauge prototype" between your words "model" and "while".
The critical dimension is the wheel "back to back" (gauge-1 minimum = 1.567", a little under 40 mm) .
If the mid-line of the boiler (its max width) is between the wheels, its width or diameter has to be smaller than the wheel back-to-back.
So, to make a 1:24 boiler fit between a 1:32 "back to back", you would have to shrink the boiler in the width dimension, (New!! oval shaped boilers),
0
H
or shrink the boiler diameter (evenly in 2 dimensions) by a significant amount (25 percent).
o
H
(Head on view of boiler and wheels.)
25 percent shrinkage in one or 2 dimensions is a significant distortion of the prototype.
If you have a choice (in the planning stage) why not build it correctly? (1:32 scale)
Hope this helps.
Dear CJ,
I was trying to get you to mention the advantages or strong points of 1:24 scale, which do exist.
I can think of at least 4.
Unfortunately, modeling standard gauge prototypes on 45 mm gauge track is not one of them.
Sincerely,
Joe Satnik
I don't even want a new locomotive as much as I want the kind people at Bachmann to offer a 4-4-0 in North Pacific Coast paint...how about the Sonoma that is located in the Cal State RR Museum? Please...
Other than that, I'd like to see the SPng locomotives...they could even do Nevada County ng since at least one engine went there afterwards...
The North Pacific Coast "Sonoma" was a standard catalog "8-18C" Baldwin, and guess what - Bachmann already has you covered. Here's the same "8-18C" model engine with the exact same paint scheme as Sonoma:
http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?act=viewProd&productId=1870
Only the cowcatcher is different - and if you find a source for those beautiful curved metal ones I'd like to know. Otherwise, just add decals and you're all set. The Nevada County had a nearly identical version too, Grass Valley No. 1, with the same paint scheme.
Jim
If the Big Haulers were made DCC ready, I would buy several more immediately.
I have converted a Wonderland Flyer Anniversary model to DCC - it works perfectly but was a task I won't repeat..
DCC ready please... perhaps just by pulling the nose off and inserting a decoder?
Please!!
...the problem is that there are no decals availible for the Sonoma :(
If the locos were DCC ready, it would also make it easier to convert to RC too!
Just purchaswed SUMPTER VALLEY RAILWAY from Images of Rail. Full of wonderful pictures of some engines that might make great models....if you can.....give it a look.
I'd like to stick with Large Scale, preferably 1:20.3, but I'm not into ever larger models. I would love Bachmann to enlarge some of their 0n30 stuff, like the T-boiler Shay, the 0-4-0 or 0-4-2 Porters or the 4-wheel rail cars. Small prototypes for Large Scale I say!
Hey all,
yeah, a t-boiler or a Gilpin-like shay - regaugable from 45 to 32mm would be nice.
steamrusty
I'd like very much a Spectrum Fn3 Garratt...
Heck why not the much disputed Vulcan.
Personally, I would rather see something like a ditcher or even a McGiffert.
How about Baldwin Trench Locomotives:
4-6-0T or Gas mechanical, along with the associated cars.
David Coates
If you are looking for decals to properly letter your 4-4-0 to make the Sonoma then you might want to check out Stan Ceaderleaf's website: http://gold.mylargescale.com/StanCedarleaf/WebPageDecals/CustomDecalsx.html (http://gold.mylargescale.com/StanCedarleaf/WebPageDecals/CustomDecalsx.html)
He's done some really fantastic work!
I also would like if Bachmann produced large scale versions of their On30 porters. Something for us people with smaller radii than 48".
My vote would be for a scaled up Peter Witt street car, in 1/24th. Yes the trucks are narrow, but the design work is already done for the HO car and it should take some the cost of development sting out of producing it.
On the same vein, what about scaling up the open excursion cars to two truck open trolley cars?
Just lobbying for the traction side of the house...
Ted.
Peter Witt is a nice idea.
How about an up-scale of the little MDT Plymouth 6-wheel diesel industrial switcher?
(which might actually be a WDT according info in to book Critters, Dinkys, and Centercabs, by Jay Reed, which whows MDT as 4-wheeler and WDT as 6-wheeler )
Here's a photo of one: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1252 (http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1252)
And one that's got a homebuilt hood and exhaust; http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=294645 (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=294645)
This one is more or less stock with the earlier hood door style than Bachmann's HO & N models: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-p/pgsx00stb.jpg (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-p/pgsx00stb.jpg)
Real ones came in different gauges.
Might fill a size gap between Davenport Gas Mechanical and road units.
Make center driver blind to cope with train set curves like on Annie steamers.
Opening cab doors!
Could have a smoke unit.
Don't know what kind of mass market there'd be, but I'd like one.
Could sell it in sets with 2 freight cars of some sort, and a turnout, and call set something like "Factory Shifter".
later,
Forrest Scott Wood
My vote is for a D&RG Western K-28 in the Bumble Bee Paint scheme.
Bigger is better, then all the other K-class engines too. I want, want, want, the hole stable made of these engines.
Wouldn't that be great !!!!!!!!! . I know you can do it Mr Bachmann, I have faith in you.
And a complete set of passenger cars could be you ultimate triumph. Just think of it . Narrow gauge at its finest by Bachmann.
It would be nice to see a small shay done in 1:20.3 such as the
one made in ON30.
I would like to see Bachman upscale the On30 2-6-0 to 120.3. This would be a loco that could run on everyone's layout, {run on R1 curves}. This would also be a nice engine to put into a starter set.
The big engins are nice,{Ihave a K27} but you need large curves to run them. A lot of the older layouts where built with R1 curves and a new smaller engine would be able to run on them, giving the co. a much larger market to sell to.
If not a new 2-6-0 reissue the Indie with a new boiler??
Your missing the boat with this one, someone is going to come out with a 120.3 2-6-0 and clean up.
Chuck