Hi all, I have a bachmann 060 with vandy tender, on board dcc. I would like to know which cv to change to make headlight stay on in forward and reverse. Hope you can help.
Thank You
Tony
The decoder does not support this. It is a low end one. You will need to replace the decoder if you want this function. Joe
Ok, thanks Joe, that is what I will do.
A Digitrax DZ125PS will plug in. Not much bigger than a dime.
TCS has a small decoder with eight pin plug I believe.
Couple people here like TCS a little better.
Rich
Thanks Rich, I haven't looked under the hood yet, but is it 8 pin or hard wired? I looked on the TCS site, and it shows a 060 tank loco, (same loco I think?), which the decoder is hard wired. Thanks again.
Tony
Quote from: antfc on March 11, 2014, 04:11:11 PM
Thanks Rich, I haven't looked under the hood yet, but is it 8 pin or hard wired? I looked on the TCS site, and it shows a 060 tank loco, (same loco I think?), which the decoder is hard wired. Thanks again.
Tony
The DZ125 will hardwire.
Check both decoder sites. All the decoders I have ever seen show the decoder size.
Probably need a fine tip soldering iron.
Rich
Hi Rich, loco is HO, but I think it is hard wired. Just now trying to get shell off, not there yet. Thanks
Tony
Quote from: antfc on March 11, 2014, 04:25:13 PM
Hi Rich, loco is HO, but I think it is hard wired. Just now trying to get shell off, not there yet. Thanks
Tony
The on line diagram page as usual is not up to date. It does not show any electronics.
Check the diagram page that came with your loco.
Some Vandy tenders can be a challenge to open. Might be a couple screws under the front truck when you have the tender upside down.
Good chance there is a PC board inside that the decoder plugs into. All the Bachmann with a tender have a PC board.
Cut the caps off the PC board. Labelled with a C.
Don't be concerned about the two inductors. They are not an issue with no caps. Some are wire wound. Some look like two green resistors. The coloured rings tell you the value and that they are inductors.
A tuned circuit needs a cap and inductor.
If you decide to remove the inductors, solder in a piece of wire.
Some who don't understand electronics rip out everything. Be advised, it the loco has an LED, you need a 1k, 1/4 watt resistor.
Rich
I had an older 0-6-0 with Vandy tender and there was one screw near the front truck that held the shell in place.
The rear part of the shell was held my a couple plastic pieces on the bottom half. Just lift up the front of the shell.
Rich
Hey Rich, Cannot get shell off, not my day LOL...I can see decoder in cab of loco. I will keep trying, but no big deal. Thanks for your help.
Tony
Quote from: antfc on March 11, 2014, 05:17:05 PM
Hey Rich, Cannot get shell off, not my day LOL...I can see decoder in cab of loco. I will keep trying, but no big deal. Thanks for your help.
Tony
My Vandy, the trucks just popped right off. Yours might have a screw holding the truck in place. Some Bachmann tenders, you have to swivel the truck a little as the screw/s might be hidden by the truck.
The is even a chance the shell is a press fit over the frame. Might have to pry the sides of the shell from the frame. Just a guess on that.
A diagram would at least show you if there is a screw or two.
Rich
A few have put a Micro and small speaker into a Bachmann 0-6-0T but a tight squeeze with a little frame modification.
The LokSound Micro is a tiny bit smaller decoder. I have used both both not in a loco.
Rich
Rich, the little guy in the loco said,"you aint gettin this shell off, no siree"! LOL. Will try another day. I won't buy a decoder yet, until I can get the shell off...no electronics in tender, just weights.
Thanks
Tony
antfc
Is this a UP 4441 loco? If so I have the same one and the decoder is where the engineer would be in the cab not the tender.
There is one screw if you look under the cab roof I almost missed it when I pulled mine up.
Jerry
Hi Jerry, this is a 060 with tender, the part that is holding me up is the front of the loco, don't know if I just slide it off or pull it up?? Frustrating to say the least.
Thanks
Tony
There are some tabs on the front of the shell by the smoke box and cylinders. Use a small flat blade screw driver and wedge between the cylinder and frame and wiggle the shell off. You may be able to see the tabs if you have a bright enough light.
Sometimes sliding the shell forward will help also.
Jerry
Few years ago I had a couple older 0-6-0 with Vandy but gave away the locos to someone here. Still have a Vandy shell.
I remember a screw under the front of the loco to remove.
The diagram shows a screw labelled, 3872 screw. Fits up into the boiler saddle. Lift the front of the shell up. Good chance the decoder is soldered to some tabs like the 0-6-0T.
In case you did not look at the diagrams, below is the one for the 0-6-0 with Vandy tender and smoke. No decoder shown.
Even then, the shell might be a tight fit. My 4-6-0, the shell fit really tight.
http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/dwg/dwgs/50701.pdf
Rich
Hey Jerry, that did it...however, cannot get the entire shell off due to the decoder holding it back. The pcb is buried in the frame, so for now I will leave it alone. Thanks for your help, and Rich too.
Tony
Quote from: antfc on March 11, 2014, 07:01:22 PM
Hey Jerry, that did it...however, cannot get the entire shell off due to the decoder holding it back. The pcb is buried in the frame, so for now I will leave it alone. Thanks for your help, and Rich too.
Tony
Tony, take some photos for others here. You will need a photo bucket account to post the photos here.
Others will have questions in the future.
Jonathan ahd done this loco but I suspect he is not around right now.
Rich
antfc
Quotehowever, cannot get the entire shell off due to the decoder holding it back. The pcb is buried in the frame, so for now I will leave it alone
Funny that's what I found and did. What a STUPID design. Like Rich said most are in the tender, why not this one?
Jerry
You might have to gently pry the PC board out of the shell if it is not held in with a screw.
Boy, this thread sure needs some photos. Hope you can do some.
I can see more will be interested in this loco.
You might try searching the forums for 0-6-0 if the project is getting to you.
Rich
Rich,
The problem is the decoder's wire go through the cab. The only way to remove the shell is cut the wires or try and put a grove in the shell. I don't think jonathan had one with the decoder installed this way that I can recall. I had went through almost every post.
Jerry
Rich, I took a look at the TCS site and they have a 060T, and it shows the pcb on top of the frame...my pcb is inside the frame. And yes, should have been in the tender. I will try to take some photos...once again, thank you all for your help...much appreciated.
Tony
Jerry, might not be a bad idea, cut wires, take shell off, buy new decoder, splice wires with heat shrink tubing and go from there. Hmmmmm...ok will try it soon.
Tony
I have the 0-6-0T but no idea on how the 0-6-0 with Vandy would have a decoder. No doubt similar as there is more room in the loco now that there is no more pancake motor.
I am sure you can see everything right now.
Are there two what looks like green resistors?
There might be some yellow blob capacitors attached somewhere. Maybe the motor leads. Those have to go. Many decoders do not work very well at times with those caps. Most remove the caps for DCC.
Rich
If you like to keep everything the same for wire colour, buy a pack of NMRA decoder wires. Most of the basic colours and you can get the same colours in shrink tube for the decoder wires.
Don't get exited about wiring up and trying with a couple bare wires hanging out. I belong to a bunch of forums and have seen where some did that. A bare wire touched something it should not have and, poof, about a hundred dollars down the drain. Not trying to talk down to you but don't forget the kid inside.
Rich
Quote from: Jerrys HO on March 11, 2014, 07:19:43 PM
The problem is the decoder's wire go through the cab. The only way to remove the shell is cut the wires or try and put a grove in the shell.
Jerry-
Can you just put a single cut (use a sharp blade, NOT a saw) without leaving a kerf so you can let the wire out of captivity and then put it back in its restraint? I believe the cut line would be nearly invisible. And having it tucked down between the loco's apron and the tender would guarantee that no one would ever notice it.
-- D
Hey Rich, when I lifted the shell as far as it would go, there is no pcb on top of frame...it is inside frame, all I could see was a little piece of green of the pcb. Will have to take frame apart to get to it. Nice design huh??? Maybe I could extend wires to reach tender, and install decoder there. Maybe I should put this loco on a shelf for display only. LOL
Thanks again,
Tony
Quote from: antfc on March 11, 2014, 07:46:14 PM
Hey Rich, when I lifted the shell as far as it would go, there is no pcb on top of frame...it is inside frame, all I could see was a little piece of green of the pcb. Will have to take frame apart to get to it. Nice design huh??? Maybe I could extend wires to reach tender, and install decoder there. Maybe I should put this loco on a shelf for display only. LOL
Thanks again,
Tony
This is getting better with every post.
Rich
Quote from: antfc on March 11, 2014, 07:46:14 PM
Hey Rich, when I lifted the shell as far as it would go, there is no pcb on top of frame...it is inside frame, all I could see was a little piece of green of the pcb. Will have to take frame apart to get to it. Nice design huh??? Maybe I could extend wires to reach tender, and install decoder there. Maybe I should put this loco on a shelf for display only. LOL
Thanks again,
Tony
Tony.
A better idea, I think, is to have a scrap line of retired locomotives.
I model 1958, a time when many roundhouse etc. had lines of retired steam awaiting their fate.
I have a scrap line that I populate with older plastic steam, those made before the introduction of the Spectrum 2-8-0, which were, generally, poor runners as well as poorly detailed. Somewhere in my junk box(es) I'm sure I have a 20 plus year old Bachmann 0-6-0 switcher awaiting removal of its motor and gears, so it's easily towed, and in need of a little rusting up. I already have an old Bachmann 0-6-0T that died years ago due to the Zamac chassis disintegrating. It's the last one in the line shown in this photo of my current scrap line, up by the end of the spur.
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l99/rogertra/IMG_04781_zps9f4c1e72.jpg) (http://s94.photobucket.com/user/rogertra/media/IMG_04781_zps9f4c1e72.jpg.html)
Cheers.
Roger.
Hey Roger, not a bad idea...but I will shelve it for the time being, got some other projects to take care of. Thanks fellas, for all the help.
Tony
Neat effect Roger with the spacing between some of the rail ties.