Quote from: Joe Satnik on September 23, 2010, 01:14:19 PM
By definition, loads wired in series get the same current. 

So tell me, What's the problem here then?

The issue is current draw to the one motor. If one is getting more juice than the other regardless of the pull while on the track would/could/should/might eventually cause problems with the one motor, I would think? They wouldn't be in snych if one works harder than the other, the slower motor would just be tagging along while the other is doing all the work. Also, why does it only do it in one direction and not the other?
Oh and BTW. I have dug out my other 3 locos that are series wired and they don't have this problem while on rollers so I have a very valid question here!

Here's the problem. Removing the wires at the board and connecting them together and then test run it on rollers, I noticed that one motor would basically come to a stop, the other would run a little faster. Grabbing the flywheel to stop the running motor, the other would start to run. After letting go of the flywheel, the other would slow to a crawl or stop. This would happen only in 1 direction and not the other. So I figured I would put it back the way it was and try the other 2 wires, same problem and reaction but with the other motor.
Now, with this running on the track and the strenght of the other motor pulling I'm sure it would keep the slower motor running but would the lack of current draw etc. put undue stress on the one motor and soon toast it, or am I overlooking something else? Thanks

Quote from: trainguy47 on August 07, 2010, 11:24:39 PM
Stubbs, Thanks for the input. I've come to the same conclusion, I'll have to use the F3 power kit. The sideframes will be donated by a Williams 44 tonner (another project), That is why I asked about the side frame interchangeability. I know I'll have to purchase a coupler for the rear truck. However, I modified the Lionel pilot (cow catcher).



As you can see from the photo, I've closed the pilot and removed the coupler. I think I can fabricate a conversion mounting bracket which I can mount the Lionel pilot to on one end and mount the other end onto the Williams front truck.

The only real problem will be to fabricate a mounting plate for the two trucks that replicates the williams design. I have a Williams F7, that I can use as a pattern. Then mount these plates onto the Lionel frame, attach the motors/reverse unit, add new LED headlight, ERR sound commander, etc...

This is gonna take a while.

Mark

That's the problem with kitbashing, you can't do it overnight. Fabbing can be a real PITA! Looks good though.

They will mount but you will have some fore and aft play in the truck that you will have to be taken up. I have done 3 kitbashes using WBB power conversions., use the F-3 kit! I still have to figure out a better way of securing the slop in the trucks but it's a pretty easy conversion to do. You will have to get with the parts Dept to order the bolsters, pilots, screws, cow catcher, couplers, etc. to complete it as the old Lionels parts will not work with WBB!
HEY 3RAIL- Can WBB get there heads together and maybe come up with a dummy conversion kit or whatever, that has all nesscessary parts to complete the trucks as I mentioned above for us that do this mod to complete the trucks? I've had a heck of a time with WBB to get what I have needed to do this when I have done mine. I explain what I'm doing and I all I need and they look at me as if I'm stupid and don't have a clue what I'm talking about. Just a thought for you.

CandO, How did you order these from Lionel? I've found them on there site, but trying to find anything and being allowed to do it is like pulling teeth from a guppy! What's your secret? Thanks

It's been a couple years now since Bachmann took over. Can you all get more of your product diagrams online for those of us that have the older loco's that don't have them issued to us please. It would be really nice to see the whole line up like looking at the HO section, and not just see a couple.  Critiques, comments, complaints?  Thanks

I concur! It's simple, easy, clean, and can be put back to stock without alot of hassles.

I've noticed this myself. What you might want to do is swap around the screws with different holes and that fixed the tightness for me that your experiencing. Good Luck

I'll keep my comments in the cheaper seats as I hurt the mods feeling with a post on a like subject. I say try this guy and the heck with the factory, You might as well be beating a dead horse!  http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/57660482/m/425109722

For the third time within a year I have had problems with customer service dept......

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I did this to a 681 tender last year, mine's not tetered like yours, but to answer your questions.
1. There should be more than enough room to do this.
2. Don't know about the speaker, I just used everything from the ERR kit to keep it all matched.
3. The magnet is on the inside of the wheel, the reed switch was a PITA to figure out where to install. That's something your going to have to figure out the best place to install it to make work fro your application, sorry.
4.Took me all of about 1/2 hour after drilling some holes in the frame to help let the sound out.
I'm sure 3rd Rail or The Bachmann will chime in on this, or someone that has. Good Luck

Well I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that's had problems. I won't elaberate as to the problems I've had, but when the Gen. Mgr. has to get involved would certainaly tell me that they do have problems. All you folks sound like me. Said Manager even told me over the phone that Bachmann has C.S. issues that they are trying to work out. It really P.O.ed me to find out that kept putting my loco back at the bottom of the list to be done. It seems kinda funny that a 175 year old company can't get their act together with C.S. God knows that they've had plenty of time to work out the bugs. I wish you guys the best of luck with your issues, and I hope I don't have to deal with them anymore.

I got a few from him too. He said that my loco went out last Monday, if it went UPS ground, it should be here today, I hope! I also ordered a bunch of F3 parts for a kit bash I'm making. We'll see when those show up? As that's been about 2 weeks now for those. They aren't out of the dog house yet in my book on service. Sorry to say this, but they are going to have to treat me better than a King for a while to get back on my good side. JMHO!

I just left a message myself with her [Gretchen I think?]. This is the 3rd time I've called about where my loco is that's been in for repair for 2 months now. I called 3 weeks ago and was told that I should call back in 2 weeks. Called this past Monday and the gal just ruffled a bunch of papers for 3 minutes into the phone like she was trying to find my info, then transfered me to a different # that gave me a V-mail.
NOW! Why does it take you people a week from delivery to processing a loco for repair? Why can't anybody give a satisfactory answers to any of my questions? Tell ya what, give me a new complete truck and motor and express mail it back to me and I'll have it running in 2 hours. I'm tired of waiting.
FACTS: You don't cut the quality of Customer service to save Money! I've been real happy with Williams products, but your Service Dept. needs some major work, as the now Williams by Bachmann isn't leaving me a very warm fuzzy right now!