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Title: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: engineman on June 14, 2008, 02:50:25 AM
Update
The Defective Bachmann Situation has now been Addressed
Bachmann management has tracked down a complete six car set and is posting them to me so as to replace the defective set that caused short circuits on my layout.
A very big thank you to Mr Budd Reece
Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Santa Fe buff on June 14, 2008, 10:40:59 AM
Service is with bachmann! No doubt. Glad you have your car set, what roadname, if it is Amtrak, what phase?
Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Guilford Guy on June 14, 2008, 10:49:07 AM
Amtrak used not heavyweights...
Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Santa Fe buff on June 15, 2008, 11:15:22 AM
Quote from: Guilford Guy on June 14, 2008, 10:49:07 AM
Amtrak used not heavyweights...

True, but Amtrak should, isn't it slightly safer?
Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Pacific Northern on June 15, 2008, 05:20:36 PM
Santa Fe

These coaches are way before Amtrak. Have never seen any heavyweight coaches painted/lettered for Amtrak.

Wrong Era
Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Dr EMD on June 15, 2008, 10:21:23 PM
Early Amtrak policy forced a few private cars (heavyweights) to be painted in Amtrak Phase I if they want to be hauled in the back of their train. An ICG business car (HW Open end Obs) was painted so it can be on the rear of the City of New Orleans.

A M T R A K is the proper spelling, not A M T R A C K
Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Yampa Bob on June 16, 2008, 02:18:23 AM
Engineman,
I'm glad to hear your car issue has been resolved by Bachmann.  They are great people to deal with. 
Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Santa Fe buff on June 16, 2008, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: Dr EMD on June 15, 2008, 10:21:23 PM
Early Amtrak policy forced a few private cars (heavyweights) to be painted in Amtrak Phase I if they want to be hauled in the back of their train. An ICG business car (HW Open end Obs) was painted so it can be on the rear of the City of New Orleans.

A M T R A K is the proper spelling, not A M T R A C K
This reminds me of the time I was all saying SOUTHERN with caps, and he corrected me too! Good times...and I was lost in the era! But it does reman:
Is heavyweights safer? Like I said before, download a free Google toolbar, and  a spellcheck comes with it. It will check all texboxes for errors. IC has some left, I been in one!
Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Conrail Quality on June 16, 2008, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: Santa Fe buff on June 16, 2008, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: Dr EMD on June 15, 2008, 10:21:23 PM
Early Amtrak policy forced a few private cars (heavyweights) to be painted in Amtrak Phase I if they want to be hauled in the back of their train. An ICG business car (HW Open end Obs) was painted so it can be on the rear of the City of New Orleans.

A M T R A K is the proper spelling, not A M T R A C K
This reminds me of the time I was all saying SOUTHERN with caps, and he corrected me too! Good times...and I was lost in the era! But it does reman:
Is heavyweights safer? Like I said before, download a free Google toolbar, and  a spellcheck comes with it. It will check all texboxes for errors. IC has some left, I been in one!

I have never heard that heavyweight cars are safer, and I tend to doubt it. At any rate, with oil prices as high as they are, the chances that heavyweight cars will ever be built again is negligable. If it takes 2 P42's to pull an 11-car Empire Builder, how many would it take to pull an 11-car heavyweight Empire Builder? At least three, probably more like four. That's a lot of diesel fuel burned, and hence, a lot of $$$. This is all assuming that Amtrak gets the money from Congress to buy the heavyweights anyway (doubtful).

Timothy
Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Pacific Northern on June 16, 2008, 03:31:01 PM
Did Amtrak ever use any Heavyweight cars for regular service?
Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Santa Fe buff on June 16, 2008, 08:22:05 PM
Quote from: Pacific Northern on June 16, 2008, 03:31:01 PM
Did Amtrak ever use any Heavyweight cars for regular service?

Maybe in the early service:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRTIWwoaJb4
Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Paul M. on June 18, 2008, 01:57:55 PM
There's a heavywight baggage car at 1:08 in the video!
Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Pacific Northern on June 18, 2008, 02:47:56 PM
Quote from: Paul M. on June 18, 2008, 01:57:55 PM
There's a heavywight baggage car at 1:08 in the video!

Yes I noticed it. It was however not painted in the Amtrak colours.

Most of the rolling stock in the early days were still in the livery of the original railroads, as the film indicates this was common for the first few years.

Title: Re: Defective Heavy Weight Passenger Carriages
Post by: Conrail Quality on June 18, 2008, 04:59:44 PM
In the early years, Amtrak looked at all its rolling stock and grouped them into an A list and a B list. The cars on the A list were rebuilt with head-end power and were moved onto the 'final' roster. The B list cars were kept around until enough Amfleets and Superliners had arrived to replace them, at which time they were sold or scrapped. With all the lightweight, younger cars available, I am not aware that any heavyweights made it onto the A list.

Timothy