Thanks all can now see why not. Bachmann has enough going on especally with just aquiring Williams . And agree the large scale isn't big enough seller to do it and make it worth while at this point I understand Bachmann saying we can but won't and take that to be it unless theres a major move of modelers to large scale big time . I was just think as bachmann is move value for your buck persay thats all once again thanks for all your answers.