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Title: End of Train signal
Post by: hgcHO on February 24, 2008, 05:51:52 PM
Does anyone know of an 'End of Train Signal' that works off of DCC.  I am using the Commander system - simple test tack with three turn outs, one being spur, three different engines and head lights, but not sound as of yet - all work fine 

At present have an ENT that works with AA battery but was wondering if some company has one that uses track current?

Thanks - in advance.

HGC
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: Guilford Guy on February 24, 2008, 07:34:06 PM
I'm positive I've seen one but can't put my finger on it right now. I know there was one in last month's walthers monthly catolog...
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: hgcHO on February 24, 2008, 11:23:26 PM
Found it in the 2008 catalogue pg 951 - thanks for the info. 

Now the question does it light up when car in on the track and the current is on?  at 1.95 that is a good deal if it does and by the description it appears to [ EOT device w/red bulb 1.95] 

2- Has anyone have EOT device and does it light up with current on?

Thanks Guilford Guy for your help again.

Thanks in advance anyone; concerning 2nd question.

HGC
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: modlerbob on February 25, 2008, 12:33:18 AM
I have a feeling you will be happier with the battery powered one you have now.  It's easy to hide a battery in most rolling stock but to wire a car for electrical pickup that is continuous and won't flicker that is another story.  Just look at most lit cabooses and passenger cars.

BTW if you do get one with track pickup make sure it's at least 12v and not 1.5v
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: WoundedBear on February 25, 2008, 11:29:37 AM
Try a set of Jay-Bee #1533 "electrical pickup trucks". They supposedly fit all Athearn cars. I used a set and the contact is excellent.....no flickers.

Sid
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: ninnypooper on February 25, 2008, 02:50:11 PM
Ring Engineering makes them. It screws in place of one of the trucks and no modification is required. I got mine from Walthers.
              Tom
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: ninnypooper on February 25, 2008, 02:52:19 PM
and yes it does... sorry
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: Guilford Guy on February 25, 2008, 06:22:00 PM
Depends on which system you  use. I've had good luck with brushes on the inside of the wheels, on both trucks... With both sides of the axles powered. If you install brushes on the axles, you may want to add a flat piece of styrene on the top of the truck, and use a spring to apply constant pressure to the brush.
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: hgcHO on February 25, 2008, 07:23:07 PM
So from what I have read above it appears that getting current to the EOT device or any car required electric accessory could be a problem - and erratic is the norm.   Stay with battery - problem here is the trouble of taking out the battery for the none use period.

No real positive system?
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: Guilford Guy on February 25, 2008, 07:43:12 PM
You could put a small switch on the bottom of the the car. The other choice is to install a rechargeable battery that is also hooked up to the leads, so in case you are to lose current over dirty track, the battery would continue providing power to the car. You may want to consult someone else over this, but in theory it should work.
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: Woody Elmore on February 26, 2008, 08:33:42 AM
Put a caboose on the end of the train. It's a lot less trouble.
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: TomKat on February 26, 2008, 10:30:41 AM
Good answer!~TomKat
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: ninnypooper on February 26, 2008, 12:20:47 PM
HGC   I have the eot device and it works perfectly.  It is new and I'm willing to bet that none of these people have even seen it. It has a truck mounted circuit board and you don't need brushes  because it comes with everything it needs. If you have anymore questions ask me I can test it for you. 
                Tom
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: hgcHO on February 26, 2008, 12:23:59 PM
OK ninnypooper  - where does one get this EOT device that you speak of??

HGC
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: ninnypooper on February 26, 2008, 12:27:56 PM
I got mine from Walthers but you must be able to get it at any hobby shop.  Ring Engineering, comes with 33" or 36" wheels has red blinking light
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: hgcHO on February 26, 2008, 02:14:46 PM
Looked in the index of Manufactures on line and Ring is gray thus can not click on link.  So looked on back page and index of Walthers 2008 Reference Book but no Ring Industries listed.

Have just emailed my Hobby shop and inquired.

Any input concerning EOT device is appreciated.       thanks for your help ninnypooper

HGC
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: ninnypooper on February 26, 2008, 02:58:43 PM
http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?category=&scale=&manu=&item=&keywords=eot+device&instock=Q&split=30&Submit=Search
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: hgcHO on February 26, 2008, 05:03:30 PM
Your the person.   

Thank you -  have the site bookmarked.   cool

HGC
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: SteamGene on February 26, 2008, 06:04:28 PM
I agree, caboose for freight, observation for passenger.  So much easier and so much nicer.  Get the conductor out of the engineer's hair. 
Gene
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: Woody Elmore on February 27, 2008, 01:10:56 PM
I just realized what "EOT" means. It's the blinking light on the rear of freight trains. Ugh. Give me a caboose any day.

I'm still trying to accept the fact that all diesels do not look the same which is a strange notion for a steam engine guy like me.
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: SteamGene on February 27, 2008, 03:03:04 PM
Woody,
They don't?  Other than the paint scheme?
Gene
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: James Hail on February 27, 2008, 07:18:37 PM
Nothing but rolling generators..........Welders on wheels......Gimme Steam Any Day.I do like the looks of The F units.......even though they killed off the boilers,The rest of the sludge sippers look horrid.

I will never forget riding our Nickel Plate here in indiana. What a machine!
Jim
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: Running Bear on March 03, 2008, 07:10:57 AM
Here are some links to the Ring Engineering EOT device in the Walther's website.

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/634-EOT33

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/634-EOT36

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/634-EOT33LW
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: hgcHO on March 03, 2008, 10:19:04 PM
ninnypooper thank you again - just received my order of the EOT [end of train device] and like the instruction [they even give a little history] hinted at  - five minutes later flashing red at the end on my train.. 

Works on DC or DCC

That is the site KCS 1,  that I followed up on. thanks also for you input.

HGC
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: Clear Block on March 10, 2008, 12:49:07 AM
FWIW .
The End Of Train device  was a drastic cost savings for railroads that were trying to compete with the ever increasing truck traffic.

The companies figured out that buy putting this "lifeless" brakeman named "FRED" (Flashing Rear End Device) to the rear of all trains indicating that they are complete, they would no longer need the rear brakeman and conductor to man watch in the caboose. 
Sadly for fan's but in their eyes effectively cutting the crews down to 3 men crews, and as we see today some railroad even cut off the brakeman all together and run with just and engineer and conductor to save money and increase the unemployment line.

In the beginning days of our lifeless brakeman "FRED"  many railroaders of the era; the F in his name had another no so pleasant designation the likes of which I will not post here for obvious reasons.
I am a modeler of the transition era so FRED is not employed by my railroad.





Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: ninnypooper on March 10, 2008, 12:11:30 PM
I believe I answered the gentleman's question.
Title: Re: End of Train signal
Post by: Woody Elmore on March 10, 2008, 07:32:56 PM
Redtail - I think there are lots of people who agree with you. I always thought that the caboose added a lot of interest to a train. Unfortunately, they were not cost effective and were replaced with a blinking light.

Seriously, from a modeling point of view, I give the modelers who put working EOT devices on trains a thumbs up. They look nice and take some work to do.