Quote from: Yardmaster on December 23, 2014, 07:04:24 PM
There are no plans to rerun the K-27 at this time.

Personally I think that is a big mistake.  Ah well, I don't run the company.

The Aristo is the old Delton model redone.  It was scaled at 1:24 which for 45mm track puts it at 3'6".  While there were railroads running such a gauge it was not common narrow gauge either.  As already pointed out the 1:20.3 makes a true 3ft model on 45mm track.

As far as the two, the Bachmann C-19 is way more detailed, a good solid drive train and is already provided with a decoder slot for onboard sound and control (it even already has a speaker inside). 

Prototypically the Delton/Aristo is of the Class 60 locomotives (60,000 lbs or 30ton  locomotive) and later re-classed as C-16 (Consolidation approximately 16,000lb tractive effort).  The C-19 was a development of the C-16 with larger boiler (so the boiler if the two were same scale is larger around), and with larger cylinders.  Essentially a beefed up C-16.  These were classed as Class 70 (35ton) and later as indicated C-19. 

This ended development of the consolidation type for the D&RG as they moved to the Mikado type with the Class 125 (later the k-27 - MiKado 27,000 pound TE).

By far though a bit more expensive, the Bachmann C-19 is far and away the better model in my opinion.  Great runners, well detailed and set for decoder installation.

For a more limited run builder like Accucraft #73 makes sense.  For a mass producer like Bachmann I am not so sure.  I have watched each run of locomotive and it seems to take quite a few years before they are sold out.

Even Accucrafts EBT took quite a bit of time in the LS edition to sell out (though admittedly a lot more expensive).

Now I will agree that a different style of Fn3 passenger car might work.  I also think that a k-27 rerun with updated electronics and slower gearing ala the C-19 would be a decent success.

I could be wrong and there is more of market for a stock Baldwin inside frame mike. 

Quote from: StanAmes on August 02, 2014, 08:41:12 PM
There are actually three variants of K27 used on the D&RQW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%26RGW_K-27

The 463 and 464 are examples of piston valves outboard of cylinders.  This is the model Bachmann produced

The 456 and 458 are examples of piston valves inboard of cylinders

The 457 and 460 are examples of slide valve cylinders which were the way the K27s were shipped from Baldwin.

The Tenders for the slide valve cylinders were slope back so there would be more mold work to do to produce.  The inboard cylinder versions would only require a few different
parts and would be relatively easy to produce.

Hopefully in time the Large Scale market can improve and Bachmann will decide to produce the K27 inside cylinder versions.

Stan

I beg to differ.  The K-27s or as known Class 125s when delivered were all Vauclain compounds.  Thus actually four different versions. 

Personally I would not mind seeing a rerun of the K-27 but with an updated drive train like the C-19 complete with the fan and speaker ready in the tender.  These are still very popular locomotives.  As far as something really new, I just do not see it in 1:20.3.

I think the cars were great but there is a finite limit of how many you can sell before saturation and against another company which also seems to have not remade certain items (like stock and refrigerator cars).

The German company has been primarily and now almost all European meter gauge but then the lines there are still extent and or lasted longer.  Narrow gauge in America was probably put paid by the beginning of the twentieth century as being viable and dwindled down from there.

I note that a certain high end manufacturer of live steam and brass models (starts with an A), has very few new 1:20.3 projects on its list.  A 28t Shay, a Heisler and a Class 70 Consolidation.  As far as rolling stock in 1:20.3 nothing new.

However, this same company is now making a lot more 1:32 items in live steam and moving into 1:29.  The later offerings are as I see it filling the niches that other 1:29 manufacturers have not hit.  I am sure Bachmann in its large scale has to look at what is selling and what not and it is possible that 1:20.3 has pretty much as others stated saturated out.

Now given that Bachmann did quite successfully move into a niche in the start of primarily logging prototypes with the Peter Witt, I can not but hope that perhaps a small niche of traction models might be made.  Probably not, but a good steeple cab and or box cab motor would probably find many homes.

Seriously doubt anything new in 1:20.3.  I would not mind seeing an updated version of the K-27 with lowering gearing, and on board speaker.

However, given that, and the fact that Bachmann seems to follow Blackstone models that manufacturer is releasing a K-28.  Prettiest of the Rio Grande mikes (I still favour Millie of the EBT but then I have one of those in live steam so a bit jaded).

All good points. I must say that narrow guage has always been a niche.  In garden size
trains somewhat tighter curves due to space makes it attractive.   I think that was
the inital reasoning of a certain Geman company.

I started with the usual starter, added a few more cars, decided to take a look at 1:29,
but a bi- level car on 11ft radius still looks tight.

Went back to Fn3 and started all over pretty much.  This time ther than one electric
outline went live steam.  Not denigrate Bachmann's fine products, but watching aShay or
Mikado in clouds of steam on a cool day....just is lovely.

Most of the few bits of rolling stock are all brass because the weight going over the track
joints has that wnderful clickity sound. 

So maybe call it for me a maturing of the hobby. 

Easy since down to one - the 2-6-6-2t mallet.  Last electric outline left, if there
was an equivalent live steam then it would be a likely canidate for trading.

Fairly step for electric, for live steam hope you hsve
oven mitts.  Even at 2.3. % live steam with a heavy train is a breath holder.

Gauge is thecdistance between the rails.  For Bachmann 1:22.5 and 1:20.3
that is 45mm gauge.  Presumably New Bright also uses45mm track.
Scale of the equipment is something else altogether.

Narrow gauge @ 1:22.5 on 45mm = meter guage
Narrow gauge @1:20.3 on 45mm = 3ft gauge
Standarg gauge @ 1:32 on 45mm = standard guage

Many 45mm guage standard guage prototypes use a. scale. of 1:29. but run on
45mm track,which is a bit narrow to represent 4'8.5"

Some do, some a realistic but never was and others up to most whimsical.

I wanted nice passenger, little weathering and geared locomotives so based off the
Roaring Camp and Big Trees in Felton

Hey Bachmann any chance that the K-27 will be rerun?   They are getting thin most places. 
The C-19 is really nice a something like that gear box in a new run of K-27s would be quite welcome.

Thanks that is what I thought.  Disappointing that the 21 pins on the Peter Witt are different yet again.

Thankfully, doing Fn3 so it is not a concern.

So the ad in the April GR says 8 pin interface.  So this is different than that in the
C-19 and similar

Very interesting, and sure would make an interesting model (hint hint) to go with the others