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Title: double header
Post by: full maxx on February 28, 2010, 01:39:30 AM
ok this is the new diesel...I was wonder if I want to make a consist with one just like it or would it be bad if they have the same road number , is there a dummy engine like this or should I get another one just like it and run them back to back...since they are the same they should run the same and it would be easy with the ez command http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?act=viewProd&productId=278
Title: Re: double header
Post by: jonathan on February 28, 2010, 05:45:06 AM
Personal Opinion:

To me, I would rather have two exactly matched locomotives.  Makes things simpler when operating.  When you get comfortable with "tinkering", you can always change a number.

These are two Bach Baby Trainmasters.  They are both #928.  I have removed the "8" off of one.  I have some decals on backorder (fingers crossed) that should match the font and color, so one loco can become #927.

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN0567.jpg)

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu146/jsnvogel/Rolling%20Stock/DSCN0565.jpg)

Of course, with DCC, I suppose you consist about any kind of loco, if you know how to adjust speed steps.  That's still Greek to me, though.

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: double header
Post by: uncbob on February 28, 2010, 08:56:39 AM
Don't know if they make dummies but if they do that would be the way to go-cheaper

A single diesel like that SD45 will easily pull enough cars by itself to make up a realistic looking load with a dummy 
Title: Re: double header
Post by: full maxx on February 28, 2010, 09:17:34 AM
yeah the 407 is a great runner , nice n strong but I like the look of a double header
Title: Re: double header
Post by: jward on February 28, 2010, 09:17:53 AM
you might want to checque on ebay or at a hobby shop for one of these. if i am not mistaken, the sd45s have been run in several numbers. you may have to buy a non dcc version to get the different number, and convert it.
Title: Re: double header
Post by: uncbob on February 28, 2010, 12:17:47 PM
Quote from: full maxx on February 28, 2010, 09:17:34 AM
yeah the 407 is a great runner , nice n strong but I like the look of a double header
What I was trying to say was a dummy would give you a double header --It wouldn't have to a powered unit as the main unit has enough power
Title: Re: double header
Post by: full maxx on February 28, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
it will pull 13 freight car plus three cabooses with little strain
Title: Re: double header
Post by: ABC on February 28, 2010, 12:48:39 PM
Bachmann does not make dummy/non-powered SD45's, but Athearn had blue box kits for them, who says they have to have identical paint schemes.
Title: Re: double header
Post by: uncbob on February 28, 2010, 04:26:15 PM
Quote from: full maxx on February 28, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
it will pull 13 freight car plus three cabooses with little strain
I am willing to,bet it will handle a heck of a lot more than that

My Atlas B23-7 can pull 24 USRA coal hoppers and  a caboose all weighted to NMRA specs with ease
Title: Re: double header
Post by: full maxx on February 28, 2010, 05:22:52 PM
that is all the freight cars I have at the moment...I guess I need to make another spur to park more on, but the layout is only so big, dont wanna hit what I'm pulling lol ;D
Title: Re: double header
Post by: full maxx on February 28, 2010, 06:06:27 PM
well the seller I got the SD45 from has listed another one per my request...just debating whether or not to get it
Title: Re: double header
Post by: uncbob on February 28, 2010, 06:56:57 PM
Trains from the same manufacturer usually run the same so if you want another why not see if there is another type diesel--Double headers don't always have the same types and that way you would have 2 different type diesels
Title: Re: double header
Post by: uncbob on February 28, 2010, 07:01:36 PM
I just checked and they have 2 Great Northern GP30s
You could double head a GP30 with the SD45 and have 2 different types in your roster
Title: Re: double header
Post by: full maxx on February 28, 2010, 09:00:02 PM
so IF I get another sd40 they will run the exact same and would not cause a problem...one forward n one backward
Title: Re: double header
Post by: ABC on February 28, 2010, 09:03:20 PM
Yes all you would need to do is program one to have the opposite direction.
Title: Re: double header
Post by: jward on March 01, 2010, 05:28:12 AM
out of the box, identical locomotives may not run exactly the same but they should be close. as for double heading them on dcc, not sure how the ez command works, but most dcc systems allow you to mu two locomotives together as a consist. the act of consisting the two locomotives together will set the direction. this is different than programming a locomotive to run, say, long hood first. just remember to break up the consist if you ever want to run them seperately or you will find they both respond to the same address.
Title: Re: double header
Post by: ABC on March 01, 2010, 08:51:46 AM
The E-Z Command requires you to program the loco to run the opposite direction (if you have one unit facing the opposite direction as the other) in the consist or else you will have one loco going in each direction when you apply the power.
Title: Re: double header
Post by: full maxx on March 01, 2010, 11:39:54 AM
yeah I'm gonna have to review the dvd   thanks
Title: Re: double header
Post by: rogertra on March 01, 2010, 02:30:08 PM
Unlike DC, where any two locos placed on the track would run in the same direction, DCC requires that you designate a front to every locomotive, just like the real railroads do since dieselisation.  That's why the "F" is on the front sidesills of all diesel and electric locomotives so you know without a doubt which end is the front.

If you want to run several locomotives in multiple, you need to set them all up so that they all have a common forward and reverse, regardless of which way they are facing.  This is just like the hostlers have to do on the real railroads when they are setting up and m.u.ing a locomotive consist.  When the engineer on the lead unit sets his locomotive to "forward" he needs to know that all locomotives in the consist will all move in the same direction.  That's the hostler's job to ensure that the consist is correctly "set up".   Just like in DCC.

In fact, any decent DCC throttle will have a "consisting" menu selection to make this as easy as possible.  Well, as easy as anything is in DCC.