Hello,
I was just wondering if anyone at Bachmann could confirm if there were plans (would have been 2004-2005 time) to release wagons of "Rickety" and "Fred Pelhay". I'm sure I can remember the names popping up with Bachmann's other releases but I can't clearly recall.
Thank you,
Jack
I have spoken to someone at BACHMANN about this. Apparently the two were near completion but the characters were never approved by HiT, so BACHMANN changed them.
Rickety
(http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products/images/uploads/77042.jpg)
Fred Pelhay
(http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products/images/uploads/77043.jpg)
You can see they are the right colors, just no names and faces. If they had been released this may have opened the door to other railway series characters, but as HiT had just taken over in 2002 these two were not cleared.
Hopefully Bachmann can provide confirmation.
I wish they would approve RWS characters... then we can have Bear, Diesel 199/Spamcan, Jinty and Pug and whoever else we like... :(
Quoting Thomasj219, that explains why the blue open wagon came out before the red one ;)
@Azelf, Fred and Rickety were both named by Learning Curve and were unnamed in the RWS. I believe that was one of the reasons HiT said no to Bachmann making the characters, but I cannot confirm it and it is only second hand information.
Fred was named in the Railway Series, Rickety was not, his name was made up by Learning Curve. Not a bad name either.
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091229025449/ttte/images/2/2d/FredPelhay.png)
Fred was not officially named. Yes, he had the name Fred Pelhay, but he was never officially named by the late Reverand or his son, or Britt or HiT for that matter. Learning Curve was the first one to actually name him, even though he had the name on his side, the late Reverand may of called him "The Orange Truck" or something of the sort, no true way of knowing to be honest.
Quote from: Jamesis5 on November 04, 2011, 07:11:12 PM
Fred was not officially named. Yes, he had the name Fred Pelhay, but he was never officially named by the late Reverand or his son, or Britt or HiT for that matter. Learning Curve was the first one to actually name him, even though he had the name on his side, the late Reverand may of called him "The Orange Truck" or something of the sort, no true way of knowing to be honest.
If it says his name on his side in an illustration, then he's named, just like Scruffey.
Exactly, even if he was, never officially refereed to in the narration of the book.
That is exactly what I mean, since he was never named in the narrartion, it is impossible to state wheter or not the late Reverand wanted to officialy name the character Fred Pelhay.
Quote from: Jamesis5 on November 04, 2011, 11:14:44 PM
That is exactly what I mean, since he was never named in the narrartion, it is impossible to state wheter or not the late Reverand wanted to officialy name the character Fred Pelhay.
That's digging too deep into it. I'm sure Awdry would review each illustration, as that's how he and Dalby ended up on bad terms.
Yes that is a little deep, he made a fuss about illustrations so I believe he was fine with the name.
Quote from: thomasj219 on November 05, 2011, 12:20:54 PM
Yes that is a little deep, he made a fuss about illustrations so I believe he was fine with the name.
I'm on this side of this gentleman-
ly debate. :).
Chances are Fred Pelhay was a random name given to a private owner wagon, and Rickety is just a name derived from (possibly) the condition of the truck.
Just bumping in case I get a definite reply back about Bachmann having planned them for release.
Jack
Probably so, I don't see them coming out though.
Quote from: thomasj219 on November 06, 2011, 03:10:54 PM
Probably so, I don't see them coming out though.
I never said anything about wanting them released in any of my posts if you read them correctly. ::)
All I'm after is some solid proof on Bachmann actually having planned them, as the archives from the announcement (2005) are long gone.
Jack
I see, If I may ask, why the sudden interest in this matter? Merely curiosity?
I actually still own the Bachmann 2005 catalog, and both Fred the Orange Coal Car and Rickety are listed, along with the cargo car and the open wagon. Fred's item number was 77040, and Rickety's was 77044. I'm guessing that when Fred and Rickety were cancelled, Bachmann decided to use their prototypes for the also-planned cargo car and open wagon, instead of making two completely new cars.
EDIT: If you need further proof, I can even post photos of the catalog's pages if you'd like.
Quote from: MetaDude27 on November 07, 2011, 10:43:20 AM
I actually still own the Bachmann 2005 catalog, and both Fred the Orange Coal Car and Rickety are listed, along with the cargo car and the open wagon. Fred's item number was 77040, and Rickety's was 77044. I'm guessing that when Fred and Rickety were cancelled, Bachmann decided to use their prototypes for the also-planned cargo car and open wagon, instead of making two completely new cars.
EDIT: If you need further proof, I can even post photos of the catalog's pages if you'd like.
Please do! That's exactly what I am looking for. Now going to hunt down a copy of the 2005 catalog for myself.
Jack
Alright, then. Here you go.
(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/cache/SJ4PoO2%25bWUBz*iKj%257HVmU%3DqcdqG9DX.sqZAFGjzD-%25SQ_Qk4nSf81ZkdBIIV%26/item.JPG?rot=1)
(http://blg.mypicturetown.com/cache/z%25%26GW4AnCO*B%26cl6_%25Rknhvi8CYWhC*mnN4jMc58gDvk%3DgLb8q*Xk%26xb5ay4SxZ/item.JPG?rot=1)
Perfect! Almost as good as confirmation from the Bach man himself! Now we finally know the truth :)
I guess hanging on to that old catalog for six years wasn't such a bad idea after all! :P
i wished they'd make them now