Lanny. Seems as though you and I have a fellow modeller in common.
On a private Yahoo group I mentioned that I was starting a Spectrum 2-8-0 into a 2-8-2 project based on one I'd seen on the Bach Man board. Ray Breyer mentioned he had a friend who was doing the same kitbash so he sent me some photos, from his pal Lanny who was doing the kitbash.
Same photos you sent me. :-)
Small world us butchers of expensive steam loco live in.
That would be a small Mike, too.
Gene
Quote from: SteamGene on January 22, 2008, 09:39:35 PM
That would be a small Mike, too.
Gene
Yes Gene. Exactly what we need. A "kitbash" that Bachmann could easily do with the existing 2-8-0. Just cast a slightly longer boiler, with one more boiler course and add the trailing truck from the light 4-8-2. Only a few other bit's and bobs would need recasting or making. Boiler handrails, injector pipes and that's probably about it. They could reuse everything else.
You get an excellent running 2-8-2 that's smaller than a USRA 2-8-2. Is generic so that it will fit most model railroads but could be further modified, either by Bachmann or modellers to be more accurate for some prototypes all with a relitively small investment in new dies and molds.
Mr. Bach Man, you copy?
What is always interesting is that some twenty years pre, Bachmann produced a "Mike" that also doubled as a Consolidation-you know; the one with the Wotten firebox... If Johann's boys could do it then...
Rich
Rich, the other way around. They took the Consolidation, which was a fairly accurate model of a late Erie (?) Consolidation and added a trailing truck to it. That truck always looked awkward.
Gene
Rich.
What we don't want is a return to the bad old days where they'd stick a leading truck on a 0-6-0 and call it a 2-6-0 or stick a trailing truck under a 2-8-0 and call it a 2-6-2 without making any changes to the boiler etc..
Gene;
I was being my good old nasty sarcastic self...
Roger;
Didn't "they" do that a bunch of times? I lost count of the times some bozo decided to make a profit on the cheap and insult the intelligence of guys like us...
Rich
Quote from: rogertra on January 23, 2008, 04:35:53 PM
stick a trailing truck under a 2-8-0 and call it a 2-6-2 without making any changes to the boiler etc..
I they did that, I'd be less concerned with the boiler than the fact that they think we can't tell the difference between three driving axles and four :D.
ok Rogertra. You say "Just cast a slightly longer boiler, with one more boiler course and add the trailing truck " That makes the boiler long enought for a 2-8-2, but now you got to make the longer. So you end up making whole locomotive new. Yes that would work.
Well, I got 4 of Mr Bachmann's mikados...factory jobs, late production, hot off the molds....Chinese SY's, originally an Alco design from circa 1905 or I waz told....a different tender shell, cab, and removing the airhorns....and you got a light mike without messing with the chassis, which I wouldn't do with a ten foot pole, too chancey, since they run so perfectly as is....one has a cab and tender shell from min. by Eric, and it is a darn close copy to CPR's 1st mikes, 'cept for the boxpoke wheels....one is put away for safe keeping, two are the cutest semi permenent doubleheader you'll find right out of the box....but look for sales, some people are selling these for crazy prices, +2bills?!?! they don't deserve the patronage, but these girls are worth atleast as much as any of the spectrum series.....just...kind of a shame to kitbash....
Quote from: Conrail Quality on January 23, 2008, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: rogertra on January 23, 2008, 04:35:53 PM
stick a trailing truck under a 2-8-0 and call it a 2-6-2 without making any changes to the boiler etc..
I they did that, I'd be less concerned with the boiler than the fact that they think we can't tell the difference between three driving axles and four :D.
Whoops, typo. Guilty as charged.
Quote from: RAM on January 24, 2008, 12:06:56 AM
ok Rogertra. You say "Just cast a slightly longer boiler, with one more boiler course and add the trailing truck " That makes the boiler long enought for a 2-8-2, but now you got to make the longer. So you end up making whole locomotive new. Yes that would work.
Make what longer RAM? You forgot that part? The chassis perhaps?
There's nothing to make longer. The basic chassis remains the same you just add a trailing track, from the light 4-8-2, under the firebox which has moved back with the slightly longer boiler so proportionaly, everything looks OK.
We need Lanny to repost his photos so that you can be reminded of what he's done. I have copies of them but it's not my place to repost Lanny's photos on a public forum. It's not ethical.
The comments I had received from lucky purchasers was the the "convertable consol" could be better served in the duty of a doorstop.
A world of different verbiage can be bestowed upon the SY. Upon receiving mine, I immediately set out to "Bill-Schopp-ize" one of them. The other slumbers somnolently away on the shelf of locos awaiting further action. I called the butcher job I did the "Green Card Mike"
The little Green Carded "Fu Man Chu-chu" is a little jewel to behold! She runs like a Swiss watch, and is really a breeze to convert to DCC, as long as you have the means to ring out the wiring.
When I finished it, I looked at it and was reminded of a K-36 Mike; also that it is just the right size to be on a real HO layout doing real HO things. I have never learned how to put pics on this site; otherwise, they would have been plastered all over the place. Hmmmmm-probably a good thing...
Rich
Quote from: r.cprmier on January 24, 2008, 07:41:21 AM
I have never learned how to put pics on this site; otherwise, they would have been plastered all over the place. Hmmmmm-probably a good thing...
Rich
Rich.
Posting photos is dead easy.
1) Go to photobucket and open an account.
2) You now should have an "Album" page.
3) Upload photos from your computer to photobucket. It's dead simple, just use their "Browse" button and navigate your way to wherever you stored the photos you want to upload on your computer.
4) Once the photos are in Photobucket, they upload automatically, it's dead easy, just right click under the photo on the "IMG Code" under the photo (It automatically copies the URL etc., and then just right click and paste into your message here on the board. It's dead easy.
Quote from: SteamGene on January 23, 2008, 04:28:30 PM
Rich, the other way around. They took the Consolidation, which was a fairly accurate model of a late Erie (?) Consolidation and added a trailing truck to it. That truck always looked awkward.
Gene
Twas a Reading consol, the kind that was later "kitbashed" into a Northern ...
Not to make this thread go off on a tangent from our 18"radius..but...the HO version of the Reading hogs kitbashed? into 4-8-4's, is Loksound, BLI? Pre-someone? who makes them? Are they still in production? Are they any good? Do you need another tv remote control to run it on DC? Never saw one in person... what about you guys? As a kid (1973-74?) I saw one dressed up as a D&H racehorse, and it wouldn't take much to kitbash into a model of one.... tempting if it isn't a waste of $$$.$$
Twas a Reading consol, the kind that was later "kitbashed" into a Northern ...
...Poor little engine...Sick little engine...
Rich
Quote from: TonyD on January 24, 2008, 09:46:00 PM
Not to make this thread go off on a tangent from our 18"radius..but...the HO version of the Reading hogs kitbashed? into 4-8-4's, is Loksound, BLI? Pre-someone? who makes them? Are they still in production? Are they any good? Do you need another tv remote control to run it on DC? Never saw one in person... what about you guys? As a kid (1973-74?) I saw one dressed up as a D&H racehorse, and it wouldn't take much to kitbash into a model of one.... tempting if it isn't a waste of $$$.$$
Tony,
I have 4 Precision Craft Reading T-1s - the 4-8-4 that was "kitbashed" from the I1sa (2-8-0) engines in the Reading RR shops - Reading, PA. One has sound & the others are silent. They are nice runners but I run 22" radius - 18 may not be large enough. They are still available on ebay - and check the Precision Craft/BLI website. They were dumping some undecorated ones at $100 each a few days ago!
FYI There are 4 T-1s still around - including 2102 - the "D&H" engine.
The sound is OK - and you don't need anything to run on DC - I haven't gotten the DCC bug yet.
Hope this helps!
Jay
Thank for the imput Jay! I am on my way to the Big E show in a minute, if I find one there, I will take it home...but I would want sound, I would love to find an over the counter Quantum dealer there too.... oh, my curves are banked 26", but that doesn't mean everything handles them out of the box, thanks again-tony
Roger,
Lanny, as I'm sure you've seen, has done a great job upgrading the OOB Connie to a specific IC loco (#908). He's working on a #907 for me right now and his in-progress photos are great. As for his 2-8-2, I expect the same sort of craftsmanship from him.
The problem, as Lanny has mentioned, is that the firebox on the extended Connie doesn't look right. I suppose (key word here being "suppose") that the stock firebox sides could be cut away and replaced with ones salvaged from another project. Whatever Lanny ends up turing out will be right better than most other options out there on the market now (including brass both for price and operation).
As this link has already pointed out though, just how difficult would it be for Bachmann to build a new 2-8-2 from the excellent 2-8-0 foundation they have already produced? One wouldn't think it could cost as much as erecting a brand new locomotive from the railhead up. It probably goes without saying that the popularity of the 2-8-2 wheel arrangement coupled with a specimen different from all of those USRAs flooding the market (and the added bonus that the Harriman's were PLENTIFUL, historically speaking) should be a success.
With all of the road specific and prototypically-rare steam locos out there being marketed (I assume) because there is money to be made on so doing, how is it that none of the manufacturers' marketing departments understand they have a potential boon just waiting to be faithfully and reliably represented?
By now I know I'm preaching to the choir, however, it would be nice to hear the Bach Man weigh in on this months-long recurring topic with a little insight into how the corporate guys see this.
Brad
Modeling the IC in 1950
I think the Bach-man simply needs to send you guys a a few pics of the SY light mike, yeh, off a vendor's table for $20, go for it-but SY's would save alot of hacking and possibly ruining a $100 model. The IHC 2-8-0's NEED a trailing truck, boy, the work involved in putting one under a spectrum hog and having it come out right-it's like the bad ol' days, when all the 'craftsman kit' layouts had a scrapyard full of projects that didn't make it, a year's modeling budget on static display ... omph.