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Title: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: D_Gunner13 on December 05, 2011, 08:41:52 AM
My North Pole Expresses is running slow what could cause this I have cleaned the tracks what next Help Please!   
                                             Thank You Dennis  :)
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: jonathan on December 05, 2011, 09:34:37 AM
Is this an older version of the Santa Express?  Is the locomotive an 0-6-0?

Since you've cleaned the tracks, take a look at the drive wheels, too.  They may need a good cleaning.  This can be accomplished by running the wheels over a paper towel, while running.  An 0-6-0 is a little tricky as there are the lone 6 drive wheels, that also supply power to the motor.  Cleaning 2-4 wheels at a time will help.

How old is the set?  If more than a couple years old, the motor axle probably needs a tiny drop of light oil.  This can be accomplished with the shell removed.  The worm and drive gear could probably use a little gear oil as well.  If you carefully remove the wheel cover plate, with loco turned upsidedown, you should be able to apply a small amount of gear oil to the main gear, and let it move the oil around, running the loco after closing it back up.

Try to avoid disassembling the frame halves and valve gear.  This will only frustrate you and possibly lead to a loco you can't put back together.

These are only a couple suggestions without knowing anything about your set.

Are there any noise symptoms?  That would help figuring out the problem.

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty? (picture added)
Post by: D_Gunner13 on December 05, 2011, 10:39:08 AM
I have no Idea how old the set is it was given to me,I think a call to Bachmann is in order,a tape came with it VCR format my VCR is damaging tapes i wish it was on youtube or DVD format.I do have some knowledge of HO trains.There is a noise but i think its sound from the train came with and not acquired by a problem.Also is there supposed to be any kind of rubber on the wheels for traction  I know the ones back in the 1970's had these for traction
 Yes it is a 0-6-0   Its a North Pole & Southern                                       Thank You Dennis

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii132/dennisg_02/DSC01097.jpg)
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: D_Gunner13 on December 05, 2011, 11:21:20 AM
It might be a 4-4-0
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: jonathan on December 05, 2011, 11:52:25 AM
Dennis,

Could not see the photo before.  That loco is not HO to the best of my knowledge. Could be large scale from the looks of it.  Do not recognize it at all.  It's a 2-6-0 mogul of some kind.

Sorry to have confused you.  Thanks for showing the picture.  Someone else may recognize it.

Regards,

Jonathan
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: D_Gunner13 on December 05, 2011, 12:15:10 PM
BUMP
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: D_Gunner13 on December 05, 2011, 11:42:32 PM
I have asked and cant find answers to my questions HUH

Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: D_Gunner13 on December 06, 2011, 11:51:45 AM
Does anyone Know Please  :)
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: richg on December 06, 2011, 01:19:47 PM
Running slow compared to what?  Define slow.
How does the loco run alone? You did not give us much info to go on.

For a comparison. If the loco goes 36 inches in 10 seconds, for O scale, that is about 10 mph.
In 5 seconds, the speed would be about 20 mph.

That looks like an On30 set with three passneger cars if my search is correct.

http://www.amazon.com/Bachmann-Spectrum-North-Express-Train/dp/B0006O82Z0/ref=cm_syf_dtl_top_2/188-7322423-4776210/188-7322423-4776210

Rich
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: richg on December 06, 2011, 01:21:55 PM
Speed Chart for   O - 1:48 Scale
Timed distance is 36 inches
Time [sec]   Speed [mph]
1   98.2
2   49.1
3   32.7
4   24.5
5   19.6
6   16.4
7   14
8   12.3
9   10.9
10   9.8
11   8.9
12   8.2

Rich
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: D_Gunner13 on December 06, 2011, 05:58:35 PM
Thanks for the answers! What i mean is its kind of sluggish,there is no steady speed at all. :(
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: D_Gunner13 on December 06, 2011, 06:01:39 PM
I'm sort of wonder all the track is HO,thanks for your expertise!!!!! 
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: D_Gunner13 on December 06, 2011, 06:02:57 PM
Will HO track be a factor ???
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: richg on December 06, 2011, 06:20:55 PM
Quote from: D_Gunner13 on December 06, 2011, 06:02:57 PM
Will HO track be a factor ???

No.

Sluggish still does not tell us much.
What controller are you using?

Is the tender free wheeling? Forget any rolling stock right now.

Look at the diagram for the loco. I just did.
A few screws to open and check the gear drive in the loco. Take your time and pay attention to the sequence of opening the loco.
Maybe a dab or two of plastic compatible grease on the gears. A lot of grease is not better. Gear lubrication only requires a film of grease on the gears. Use a gear oil, not a motor oil which is too thin. No WD40 here either.
With a Q tip and alcohol, clean the driver pick up points. No idea if the tender has pickups. The diagram is not that clear. If the loco does not pickup power from the tender, try running it by itself.
Successful model railroading requires careful trouble shooting and maintenance.

Rich
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: richg on December 06, 2011, 06:29:06 PM
Quote from: D_Gunner13 on December 06, 2011, 06:02:57 PM
Will HO track be a factor ???

Look at the messages here about On30. There are discussions about this On30 track, locos and rolling stock with some links that you can store in Favorites to gain more knowledge about what you have. This might only be for a Christmas (I hope the Powers to Be are not offended by that word?) Layout but knowing more about what you have will make the experience more enjoyable.

Rich
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: richg on December 06, 2011, 06:43:51 PM
I see you are new here and probably have not look through any of the messages so here is a good site about On30. Store the link in Favorites for future reference. Harold has info about your loco.

http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/

Take time to look through the General, On30 and Ho forums. There is a lot of useful info here.
You should be able to use O scale structures.

Rich
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: D_Gunner13 on December 06, 2011, 07:05:42 PM
I have had Ho trains before,I had my first at 9 years old back in the old days>This is not just for Christmas. I'm hoping to get into N scale. there is one screw missing underneath the train. I apologize if I seem impatient its just taking it apart every night to move it out of the way, and crawling on the floor has gotten to my old bones.
Have to do Christmas Light Now
                                                                                  Thanks Dennis  ;D
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: D_Gunner13 on December 06, 2011, 09:44:22 PM
I disassembled the train, and there was oil and grease every where, its trash.  >:( Some one over did it with the oil.
Title: Re: Running slow does it need oil or track dirty?
Post by: richg on December 06, 2011, 09:53:18 PM
Quote from: D_Gunner13 on December 06, 2011, 09:44:22 PM
I disassembled the train, and there was oil and grease every where, its trash.  >:( Some one over did it with the oil.

That should not be difficult to clean up. Q tips, alcohol. I did that on a used loco quite a few years ago. You will have plenty of elbow grease. lol

Ricch