There is a PDF on index page with announcement for GP7 engines in fall 2009. PRR engine pictured looks very nice! :)
But, according to http://broadway.pennsyrr.com/Rail/Prr/Rosters/diesel.html number on PRR loco is not correct! #8542 was the EMD SW9 switcher! ???
On some other forums, users are stating that B&O ande Chessie engines also have incorrect numbers!
I hope this will be corrected on the production run, it would be unprofessional to make such a error, and would fuel "Bachmann is for kids" topics... :-\
Yes, the debate on the new Bachmann being a toy or not is growing quickly on that other board.
ATLAS
B&O had two 6414's
GP7
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo6414.jpg (http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo6414.jpg)
and
GP9
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo6414goc.jpg (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo6414goc.jpg)
Numbers are not important, what is important is that the model is well detailed and a good runner. Paint and decals are always added to my models so that makes numbers unimportant.
Dear All,
Every number and paint scheme was taken from a prototype photo.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
hey Bach-Man what scheme will be on the B&O? the spelled out road name(like in the GP7 photo i posted a link to) or the B&O paint scheme(like the GP9 photo i linked to)?
Also you going to be at the Timonium show this year?
Quote from: BaltoOhioRRfan on July 11, 2009, 08:43:05 PM
B&O had two 6414's
GP7
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo6414.jpg (http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo6414.jpg)
and
GP9
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo6414goc.jpg (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo6414goc.jpg)
Aren't they both the same GP7 as in both photos the unit has the 3 louvers under the cab and the two vertical louvers under the radiator grills, the GP7 spotting details?
The only difference is in the lower photo, the unit has had the skirting over the fuel tank cut away, a common modification. I would have thought that someone who signs himself "BaltoOhioRRfan" would have known that.
I'm not a deisel person, i know more of steam person, the GP7 and GP9 detail i gave was based on what the guy said in the photo description on the website where i got the photos from.
Quote from: Thommo on July 11, 2009, 02:59:25 PM
But, according to http://broadway.pennsyrr.com/Rail/Prr/Rosters/diesel.html number on PRR loco is not correct! #8542 was the EMD SW9 switcher! ???
perhaps it the victim of a late service renumber... SP did it, older engines got new number sequences as new models came into service....
Quote from: the Bach-man on July 11, 2009, 11:38:14 PM
Dear All,
Every number and paint scheme was taken from a prototype photo.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Thanks on the answer. Maybe this Pennsy Geep received that number in later years, replacing SW switcher road #.
As for B&O GP7, I would like it in blue-grey-striped early scheme, but they will probably come in all blue livery.
the pennsy gp7s were 8454-8487. 8513-8544 were sw9s. in later years the pennsy renumbered their gp7s to the 5800 series for the upcoming penn central merger. the 8500 series was then occupied by former pennsy sw1s.......
as for the b&o gp7s, they did occuppy the number series 6400-6424 from about 1956 until 1975, when they were renumbered to the 5600 series to make room for the western maryland gp9s to occupy 6400-6420. the "second" 6414 was thus not a b&o unit at all, but a wm one.
as for there being a 6400 series gp7 in chessie paint, i've asked that question on the b&o yahoo group. the most reliable source to reply said there were none. i've looked in vain for photos myself of a chessie painted 6400 series gp7. if in fact bachmann has access to photos we are not aware of then i'd stand corrected, and put the word out on the list.
that said, i am very interested in the bachmann gp7, and will definitely buy several.
I'd like to see an undec option so I could do em up Black Widow. Yeah I could jut spray over one of the others, but I hate the idea of repainting something that is already pretty. I need one in UP as well, and see it will be released. These are not Spectrum level, correct? Will there be any space under the hood for add on DCC/sound? That was one of the drawbacks of the P2k's.
southern pacific never had gp7s. cotton belt had 1, #320.
for a list of original owners, see the roster on my webpage:
http://www.trainweb.org/emdloco/gp7.htm
Quote from: jward on July 13, 2009, 04:59:25 PM
southern pacific never had gp7s. cotton belt had 1, #320.
for a list of original owners, see the roster on my webpage:
http://www.trainweb.org/emdloco/gp7.htm
ahh correct. I want GP-9's not 7's... I should know that I spend too much time wandering this site (http://espee.railfan.net/espee.html?) near as I can tell anything a person could ever want to know about SP or SSW.
Dear All,
The road number on the PRR Geep will be 8805.
I don't know where the switcher number came from...
Have fun!
the Bach-man
excellent, 8805 is a valid number for the pennsy units. i can't wait to run them.
Quote from: the Bach-man on July 15, 2009, 12:03:43 AM
Dear All,
The road number on the PRR Geep will be 8805.
I don't know where the switcher number came from...
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Great! :)
of course im happy with bachmanns announcement
of the GP7
now that its been talked about the numbers
how about the paint schemes
i know the pennsy will be in the dark brunswick green
now for the new york central will bachmann use the
lighting stripe or the later 60s scheme of all black
which is easier to paint
i hope the b&o is in the earlier paint job
but again its easier to do the later all
blue with the large b&o letters
good luck john t brooklyn ny
Dear John,
The B&O will be blue with the single stripe; NYC will be lightning stripe.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
wow that was really fast response on the GP7 paint jobs
thank you mr bachmann
im sure you will not stop at just 4 roadnames
thank you john t brooklyn ny
Could you do a B&M or MEC paint scheme?
Please, pretty please! :D :D :D :D :D
will there be a dynamic brake version too?
Quote from: the Bach-man on July 18, 2009, 11:13:13 PM
Dear John,
The B&O will be blue with the single stripe; NYC will be lightning stripe.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
So, this B&O will be made:
(http://usloki.tripod.com/images/gp7/gp7bo3.gif)
I would prefer this blue scheme:
(http://usloki.tripod.com/images/gp7/gp7bo2.gif)
...but still great looking engine! :) Does anyone know when B&O started to use newer painting scheme with big letters?
BTW, drawings are from http://usloki.tripod.com/
What will the UP one have on the side of the cab? Just the number, or route of the streamliners? Can't wait for these to come ;D!
Dear Thommo,
Your wish has come true.
Frisco,
Just the number.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
thommo,
as near as i can tell, the b&o started using the initials on the hood side with the gp30s in autumn 1962, and started repainting older locomotives around that time. within a short time, the lettering was changed to a block style, sans serif. most if not all of the gp35s came with the block style b&o lettering starting in spring 1964. so the b&o gp7 you have posted a drawing of would be a rather uncommon version, most would have gotten the block style lettering when repainted.
note that there were units with the baltimore and ohio speeled out on the hood running well into the 1970s.
Bach-man, great news! "Full name" Baltimore and Ohio engines were more numerous, and proto modellers will find it more attractive to buy! Also, it fits in my 50's era period, while this newer livery does not.
jward, thanks on the info.
no problem. locomotives, especially emd, are my specialty.
did you know in 1956 b&o locomotives underwent a renumbering? previous to that, diesels occuppied numbers below 1000, steam above. due to dwindling numbers of steamers and a growing diesel fleet, b&o decided to give steam the lower numbers and all diesels 4 digit ones.....
according to the original renumbering plan, the first digit denoted the service of the locomotive as follows:
1, passenger a unit.
2. passenger b unit
3. boiler equipped road switcher.
4. freight a unit
5. freight b unit
6 4 axle road switcher
7. 6 axle road switcher
8 switcher, below 1000hp
9. switcher, 1000hp and above.
the second digit denoted the builder as follows:
0-1. alco
2-3. baldwin/lima (after 1951 they were the same company)
4-6 emd
7 fairbanks morse
8. ge
thus, the gp7s became 6400s, the sd7s became 7400s, f units became 4400-4600s for a units and 5400-5500s for b units, etc.
the reason i mention this numbering plan is that it presents some interesting possibilities for locomotives b&o never had, there is a logical place to number them even though they didn't exist. for example, that beautiful b&o pa1 that athearn used to put out? 1000 series. a b&o train master? 7700 series..... a b&o rs3? 6000 series.....
Wow, great info! I did not know B&O had uniform numbering.
I am working on a small layout with Pennsy branch theme, and B&O interchange trains comming to PRR station. I have Genesis F3 #88 and P2K Alco FA2 #837, in blue-grey scheme (my favourite). So one GP7 will be welcomed, even if Bachmann is doing after-renumbering engine.
during any renumbering there is always a transition period when locomotives from both the old and new number series coexist. 1956 would be your year.
as you are probably aware, pennsy did not have uniform number series for most locomotives until they were renumbered for penn central starting 1966. before that, with a few notable exceptions everything was scattered with many different types jumbled in the same number series, and similar units scattered in several small groups.
http://kc.pennsyrr.com/motiveops/downloads/mp229_560301.pdf
this link shows assignment of all active pennsy locomotives as of march 1, 1956. you may find it of interest. locomotives are listed by pennsy class, not builders model. first letter is builder: a=alco, b= baldwin, etc. second letter is type of service. f=freight, p= passenger, s= switcher, rs= road switcher, h= helper.....thus an emd e8 is class ep22, an alco rs3 is ars16, etc.
i love the internet. there is so much there to be discovered.
I know much more about Pennsy locomotives than B&O, PRRTHS is very active and is a great source of data for all PRR stuff.
I know about Pennsy class for diesels, but I do not bother to remember. Builder classes allways tend to be known to everybody, not only Pennsy freaks! ;D
As I live in Europe, Internet is my only source of US railroad info, so I have to agree with you about that!
i am lucky enough to live 100 feet from the former pennsy mainline, that of the b&o and nyc (p&le) is at the bottom of the hill maybe 1/4 mile away.
what part of the prr are you modelling?
What part? Hmm, eastern part, that is for sure! But no particular locale, I think of my layout as some "could have been" PRR branch with B&O interchange. Works for me! :D
I also like Lehigh Valley diesel colors, but I am not sure there is locale where all three railroads came to the same region.
you may not know this but the lehigh valley was owned by the pennsy. all 3 railroads came into buffalo ny from different directions. i am not familiar enough with buffalo to say if they were all in the same part of town. but i do know that on the west side of town there was an area where pennsy, b&o, nickle plate, new york central, erie and the south buffalo rr were all side by side.
it was the same in Rochester. The Lehigh Valley, Pennsy and Lackawanna came in along side the Genesee River from the south. When I first came to Rochester, the trestle to the Lehigh Valley station was still there but was removed when Time- Warner cable moved in to town. The station is still there as well as the platforms. The New York Central came through in a east west fashion. The B&O came from the west and ended at Main and Broad St. The station is still there being used by Nick Tahoe's who serve the world famous 'Garbage Plate'. The NYC and B&O track is still used, but the other three got pulled up years ago.
Hey, any new info/pics of the Bachmann GP7 out there? ???
Quote from: Frisco on July 21, 2009, 09:34:31 PM
What will the UP one have on the side of the cab? Just the number, or route of the streamliners? Can't wait for these to come ;D!
You may see the Union Pacific GP7 here...
http://ho-scaletrains.net/id37.html (http://ho-scaletrains.net/id37.html)
Thanks
hi tony
thanks for the GP7 pic front range possilly?
by the way love your website its great
still waiting for the GP7 to be realeased
i would still like mr bachmann to give a more definate release date
good luck john t brooklyn ny
Where can I finda list of the GP7's being produced? I would like a Boston & Maine in Maroon.
Quote from: murfling on November 18, 2009, 07:10:15 PM
Where can I find a list of the GP7's being produced? I would like a Boston & Maine in Maroon.
List of DCC Equipped EMD GP7 Locomotives made by Bachamnn
PRR #8542, Union Pacific® #6411, Chessie® #6411, B&O #6414, New York Central #5608, & Clinchfield #908 (gray & yellow)
Or click on the link below...
http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?searchStr=gp7&act=viewCat&Submit=Go
Hmmmmm... picture from the link above still points to wrong PRR number... ???
(http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products/images/uploads/62401.jpg)
Hope the production models will have right number, #8805, as mr. Bach Man promissed!
Quote from: Thommo on November 20, 2009, 07:35:31 AM
Hmmmmm... picture from the link above still points to wrong PRR number... ???
Hope the production models will have right number, #8805, as Mr. Bach Man promised!
It is regular practice to use the same image to represent multiple items when the only difference is the road number. The picture most likely will always be of the older model, because there is no need to take another picture just because it has a different number.
my guessis that the locomotive pictured was a pre production sample, and that once they realized they had the wrong number they made the change on the production run.
it is nice that they care about correcting things like this. it wasn't so long ago that manufacturers didn't care whether the numbers were accurate or not.
Few pics from user pwkrueger on Atlas RR forum:
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh230/pwkrueger/WGH%20Seattle%202009/PB210410.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh230/pwkrueger/WGH%20Seattle%202009/PB210411.jpg
Has anyone heard of plans to produce units in Southern Pacific (Black Widow!) paint schemes? Those of us on the "left coast" would line up to get some......
sp never had gp7s, the only one on the system was a single unit for cotton belt.
maybe we'll get lucky and they'll make a gp9 as well.
for a roster of gp7s as built, visit my web site:
http://www.trainweb.org/emdloco/gp7.htm
Hello, there is a MR review for the Bachmann Pennsy GP7 on the trains.com website:
http://www.trains.com/mrr/default.aspx?c=a&id=3890
(http://www.trains.com/mrr/objects/images/mrr-pr0610_05.jpg)