Hello: New to the site. Have a question. I bought a 50 ton two truck class B climax, but it would not run. Some inspection showed one of the small bevel gears in the rear truck was split and was jamming in the large drive gear. I tried to search for the part as labelled on my assembly sheet but could not bring anything up. Now I,m not arguing here I called Bachmann and they are sending me out a new truck ( can't beat that) but I was wondering CAN YOU ORDER INDIVIDUAL PARTS FROM THE ASSEMBLY SHEET or is there something about the climax that makes it different?? Thank you
There is indeed something about the climax that makes it different: it is out of production. So any parts unique to the climax would not be available, but Northwest Short Line is making replacement metal gears for the Bachmann Climax.
Thanks ABC I'll see how the new truck works out first. Good to know there is someplace to go if it fails too.
9 times out of 10 there is :)
Also, here's what the Bachmann said:
QuoteCocerning Replacement Gears for Shays and Climaxes in On30 and HO
Dear All,
The service department has a good supply of replacement gears for these locos.
If you need gears, call and discuss your specific needs.
Thanks!
the Bach-man
dag -
Whether Bachmann or other manufacturers, they frequently have parts long after a given model is out of production. Indeed, they often have inventory of out of production models. It all depends on company policy and availability of a part or item. Bachmann is pretty good about this. In this regard, model railroading is much like other fields where repair parts are purposely inventoried because manufacturers know they'll be needed.
-- D
Thought I would update this thread since I am at the putor. Bachmann sent me some gears, but they jammed when I tried to install. The new gears have a shoulder on them that binds the axle..I used a razor knife ,cut off the shoulders and they now work. Put it on the track and it ran but the back truck looked like it was running on oval wheels and would derail after about 4 feet. Looks like there is too much play in the wheel set. Any ideas on how I can fix the wheels so they don't wander/ It looks like I would need a spacer to keep the wheels out. Was this a common problem?? I didn't have an spare parts left over and it didn't run when I got it so I don't know if it was doing this before I changed gears. So confusing
You probably got the new gears. I heard they have a shoulder to give more strength around the hole to eliminate the splitting problem. Not much good if they won't go on .
Without pictures of the new gears and truck, cannot come up with an answer. You might have removed to much of the hub. Changing gears is not plug and play. You need to have some mechanical experience.
Might be a tight press fit getting the gear on the axle.
Pictures would help.
I have looked at the Climax diagram but the gear on the wheels are difficult to see. There is a top and bottom half that encloses the wheels. Is that the interference problem?
Rich
Found it. The small universal gears were not operating properly. They were not flexing at all causing the whole truck to move with every rotation. Hope NWSL brings something out in metal. In the meantime looks like another call to Bachmann to see if these parts are available. I'll give this one more chance then back it goes although I know I will not get a climax in return and don't want to lose this one.\, if it can be saved.
Be sure to get in contact with the guy at NWSL before giving up. If you were to send it back they would offer you a shay; you might get other choices too.
I am wondering if you may have had the rear drive shaft out of sync to cause the rear truck to go like you say, the universals have to be orientated correctly, otherwise the shaft will bind.
I have just received the front and rear drive shafts and 2 sets of the intermediate bevel gears with bushings and shaft that fit between the axles on the climax trucks, if you want the part #'s I can let you know.
The front and rear shafts consist of the female shaft, universal, drive pin with bush and bevel gear, these shafts are fitted to the trucks.
I have been waiting for a couple of years for gear and shaft replacements, have also been in contact with NWSL and the last report was, they were having trouble with the universals, and that was a couple of months ago.
Thanks Fred. I got the same parts and have them installed. I took out one of the universals for the rear truck and found it had some plastic in behind the section that connected to the main drive. Think I got it all out but the area is so small hard to tell. I will give it a try later on tonight, and post results
Your welcome, if you need to disassemble the universals, soak these in acetone for a short while, this softens the plastic (delrin!!) enough to remove the yokes, and do the same when you want to reassemble, but only leave in the fluid long enough for the plastic housing to become flexible.
This is only a suggestion, I came across this after I placed to much CA on a split yoke boss and the CA wicked into the universal.
Find myself a little disappointed in Bachmann. After replacing the gears they had sent, still no run. I decided to send it back in the hopes that they could figure it out. Got call from them saying the main drive was gone and they had no parts. The offer I got for replacement was a USRA 0 6 0, I indicated that I already had one of those and that I was doing a logging operation and that is why I had bought the Climax. He said that there was an 0 6 0 Saddle Tank Switcher that I could use for logging. I asked if there were any more options and he said no, that was all that was available. I figured I had better make a choice or get nothing, so I chose the saddle tank.. The thing that sticks in my craw is that I paid a lot more for the Climax than the Saddle Tank is worth, but did not seem to get any choices close to that value, and only got two to choose from. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Anyone else had this experience??
Apparently you have not been here before. It is a known fact the two truck Climax has been out of production for sometime. Any Bachmann loco that is out of production is replaced by one of equal value. I have seen this policy reflected in other forums when someone had a loco out of production.
NWSL is supposed to be producing parts for the Spectrum 50 ton Climax. Don't know the details.
The cracked gear issue is a well known fact in this loco.
I had a two motor 44 tonner that had one motor go bad. I received a single motor 44 tonner which was an advantage for me.
The three truck Shay also has had cracked gear issues
Rich
That's what I thought too. I had read about the replacement policy and presumed it would be for fair vaue. So what happened here?
There are a number of issues with the climax -gears-trucks
1. A single universal does not have to be in sinc. They do have to be in sinc if you have a shaft with a universal at both ends, the climax has a single universal.
2. Another problem with my climax is there are 2 rings on the 4 wheel shafts that locate the shafts from side-to-side. they are split. Tough replacement; you need to remove the truck wheel(s) to replace these rings. I am working on another method that will not require wheel removal.
3. The drive universal between the main gearbox and front truck drive shaft is split; like the gears. These are really small universal yokes. Not sure if one from a shay will work.
4. I heard recently that NWSL is working on the gears - they told me the gears are coming.
Quote from: dagnarble on August 09, 2010, 10:37:51 PMThat's what I thought too. I had read about the replacement policy and presumed it would be for fair vaue. So what happened here?
There is a very simple and straightforward answer: The shays without sound are not currently in production (and are out of stock), and a shay with sound costs $450, a lot more than a Climax without any sound. You should have been offered these locos at the very least 0-6-0, 0-6-0T, 2-6-0, 2-6-2, 4-4-0 (standard) early. The Climax was only about $120 when it originally came out, maybe if you got ripped off you paid the MSRP of about $140. I did some searching, and found that Peach Creek was selling them for only $100 back in 2005. The 2-8-0 is $145 currently, but no other steam locos are around the same price.
Dag-I had same thing happen to me just over a month ago.After talking to Bachmann on the phone,I decided to send engine back.Recieved a phone call a couple weeks later saying it was unrepairable and was given the same offer of replacement you recieved,so choose 0 6 0 Saddle Tank Switcher which arrived in a broken condition,but one of the members in our model train club was able to repair it.Their was also a $25.00 repair Bill enclosed.I just recently Emailed Bachmann questioning the repair bill especially when having to fix the replacement 0 6 0 . I also asked them by phone at the time that if the engine was unrepairable, could we (train Club)have the old engine back for parts as other members have similar engines.TOO bad we were not offered a discount on the newlly announced 50 Ton 2 Truck Climax with sound.
The MSP of the Climax was $275.00 for the DCC ready version.
I would talk to one of the Bachmann Service Managers about the offered trade for your
engine.
Does not at all sound like a reasonable engine swap.
Yeah in retrospect $275 sounds more like it, the website must not have been accurate or maybe it was a sale price I saw.
Thank you Pacific Northern I paid $ 235.00 and thought I did o.k. but after reading some replies it sounded like I got ripped off. I sent a P.M. to Mr. Bachmann last week about it but have not received any suggestions back as yet.
Sent an email off to the service dept explaining all the details. Guess it's wait and see now.
Just got off the phone with a very nice lady from Bachmann. We discussed my situation and she went out of her way to make me happy. Kudos to their customer service unit.