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Title: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: kcsivils1 on October 13, 2010, 08:40:50 AM
An RPO (Railway Post Office Car) and a closed vestibule coach such as the ones used on the San Juan, Shavano or the ET&WNC.

With an RPO a complete passenger consist can be assembled with existing passenger stock.

I would also like to see an all steel box car similar to the EBT box cars.
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: Hamish K on October 13, 2010, 05:12:34 PM
First and of high priority -  excursion cars, similar to the Bachmann  HO scale open sided (not Jackson Sharp) excursion cars.

Also a log skidder, similar to those available from Bachmann in HO and Large scales.

Both of these seem well overdue for On30.

Hamish.
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: Hamish K on October 13, 2010, 08:33:29 PM
In addition to my suggestions above - shorter passenger cars, perhaps a version of the long caboose without the cupola (could be kit bashed I know) and a matching coach. While i know of no exact prototype these would be fairly typical of narrow gauge stock, including 30 inch gauge, in many parts of the world.

I don't really expect Bachmann to make these. but this is a dream thread after all.

Hamish
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: mmiller on October 13, 2010, 11:49:02 PM
I'd really like to see the Jackson and Sharpe excursion cars (in Disney livery  :o )
...and some freight cars with the doors that opened to the right instead of the left
...and a duck billed roof passenger cars and matching combination car
...oh, and I don't know if this counts as rolling stock or not, but a snow plow like the RGS Plow-Flanger #2
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: Dusten Barefoot on October 14, 2010, 02:50:41 AM
ET&WNC Piggy backs anyone? I would like some excursion cars, but nothing like the HO scale ones, something like ET&WNC car 11. Yes some steel box cars would be nice. It's two in the morn and it's a sleepless week so i'm not at my best lol; some modern steel frame tank cars, or the RPO would be nice, how about RTR Vestibule coaches such as the ET&WNC. I'm aware of the kits from Deer Field laser, but I would prefer some already made to where I won't mess up a kit.

Rock On!
Dusten
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: ebtbob on October 14, 2010, 08:17:19 PM
How about an EBT style caboose such as the one Bachmann already has offered in large scale?   After all,  the year after the release of the steel two bay hoppers in On30,  the same cars were offered in large scale, so come on Bachmann,  if you can increase car size then how about downsizing a car size.
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: Steve Magee on October 15, 2010, 02:03:44 AM
Logging disconnects! Not every log road cuts Bachmann Standard Logs :-)
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: lvrr325 on October 15, 2010, 07:56:40 AM
I'm most of the way through scratchbuilding an RPO based on plans of Denver & Rio Grande car 51 from a 1964 issue of RMC.  It's made with Evergreen styrene, some Plastruct 1/4 round, and Grandt Line corner posts, steps, platforms, trucks, windows and end doors.  I even made the floor, although if I'd been smart I'd have stretched it by a few boards somewhere and made the shell to fit the Bachmann coach underframe.  Not that it's hard to make a floor, it just would have saved some work.  It's rolling around the layout, but I need a couple more side windows and to either find or make side doors to finish the body.   This car has a round roof, which made it easy to build.  I'm tempted to do a baggage to match, I've found pictures of similar style baggage cars used on the Catskill Mountain Railway, but I also have plans for a Carson & Colorado car with 2 side doors and no vestibules that's close to the Bachmann cars otherwise and looks fairly simple to build.   

I suspect the next projects will be a car based on some WWII era plans in MR for a Rio Grande reefer, or possibly a take on SR&RL coach 20 simply because I picked up a couple of Grandt Line window and door sets for one.  (that car runs about 50' long, so it's liable to be shortened a bit; the roof on it looks challenging as it's humped up like a clerestory but it's rounded with no small windows). 

And frankly if I can do this stuff, anyone should be able to, I had no real scratchbuilding experience before this.  It's mostly just measure and cut, and styrene is easy to work with, even to cut windows into a panel - often I position them by photocopying a drawing I then cut up and use as a template.  Grandt Line makes so many other detail parts that finishing a car off isn't hard either.
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: Royce Wilson on October 15, 2010, 08:12:45 PM
How about a blacksmith car similar to the one that Tyco/Mantua had in HO scale years ago.
And of course a RGS plow flanger!

Royce :D
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: Royce Wilson on October 15, 2010, 09:17:43 PM
Or how about the West Side Lumber Co push plow.

Royce ;D
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: Tomcat on October 17, 2010, 02:03:50 PM
Anything West Side Lumber would be awesome. Another favorite to me would be one of the tiny little Cabeese... (No.3,6,7 absolute fav`s) and please please please Bach-man: A geared thing to put in front; the Shay No.15 ooor - as your asked... something else geared.... (WSLCo No3 which was a Hxxxxxx...) ;D

Cheers, Tom ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: glennk28 on October 21, 2010, 01:11:24 PM
The "San Juan" passenger cars are coming from San Juan Car Co.

I'd like to see the ET&WNC piggyback car in On30
Glenn Joesten
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: lvrr325 on October 23, 2010, 12:32:17 AM
Plow:  Caboose body on freight car chassis, scratchbuild a blade, done.  Already mocked one up.   Hardest part is making the curved blade, but maybe thin styrene added to a cheap HO plow blade (like the IHC one) would be suitable.   
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: Royce Wilson on October 23, 2010, 04:16:20 PM
By the time you purchase a Bachmann caboose and the IHC Ho plow, which is too narrow then you could just add a few more bucks and purchase a nice Plow Flanger kit from Keith Wieseman.

Royce
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: lvrr325 on October 27, 2010, 04:51:22 AM
Last caboose I bought I got at a show for $10... the plow was $4, and just what I happen to have sitting here, it might be the basis for something partially scratchbuilt to the correct width, or it might not be suitable for the conversion. 
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: mmiller on October 27, 2010, 09:27:37 PM
heck, you can probably kitbash or 'scratchbash' just about any piece of rolling stock ever made...but that doesn't really have any bearing on whether Bachmann (or anyone else) should sell something or not.
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: lvrr325 on October 27, 2010, 11:55:07 PM
No, but usually the fastest way to generate a "new product announcement" for whatever it is you want.... is to finish bashing or scratchbuilding one yourself. 

That said I'm happy with my RPO and I think as I do more cars they will get easier to make and come out even better.  With all the pre-cut styrene, siding, and detail parts out there wood cars are certainly quite easy. 

I discovered the other day that the Lionel "Scout" double-door boxcar, which has a more or less S-scale body, would work for an On30 car if you wanted to redo the ladders and so forth - I didn't measure what the length is on it, but it might be a start for another steel car.  They're only worth about $5 in nice shape. 
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: Ned on November 01, 2010, 09:18:02 AM
Many very nice and interesting selections already offered.

I'd like to see some additions to the Brewery series.

Ned
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: glennk28 on November 01, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
Re:  the Lionel boxcar--if you can find a copy of the January 1977 Railroad Model Craftsman, I had an article on converting various Lionel and American Flyer cars to On3--Cars for On3 were as scarce then as those for On30 are now.  My conversion of AHM and Atlas O Gauge Bobber cabooses was worth the Dremel Kitbash Award.  I converted several cars for a friend.

Glenn Joesten
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: Royce Wilson on November 02, 2010, 11:24:52 AM
The HO plow is not wide enough for O narrow gauge unless you fashion a wider plow, then whats the point of buying the HO version? :o

Royce ;D
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: lvrr325 on November 08, 2010, 11:43:32 AM
I already explained this once, but I see no one is thinking three-dimensionally.   I'm not saying this will be shake-the-box Athearn kit easy, but it's not too many steps up from it - using the HO plow as the basis for an On30 plow means altering it to the proper width, or merely using it as a template to make one from scratch.   You could also copy the Walthers HO wedge plow.  Where they are difficult is because of the curve of the blade, but using thin enough styrene sheet (even layering it twice to make it a little more durable) should get around that problem. 

Now that I picked up a batch of cars for wholesale prices I may start this project using a caboose body and extra freight car frame.  I see someone makes a laser cut wood body for the chassis, so it's still saleable sans the shell -
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: ebtbob on November 13, 2010, 07:33:59 AM
Good Morning All,

     All I can say is WOW....some really great ideas here.   Think along the lines of kit bashing,  wouldn't it be nice to see Bachmann produce some of their current line of On30 cars as kits,  therefore kitbashing would be a bit easier.
     I already stated my preference for an EBT style caboose.   Does anyone remember the tiny lumber caboose that Kadee offers?   That would be a great caboose for those of you who like lumber type railroads.
     I have a caboose made from a boxcar kit from Mt. Blue Models.  That would be a nice add to the Bachmann line.(http://ebtbob.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/14688/On30%20work%20caboose%20046.jpg)
     How about a nice wheel/tie flatcar?(http://ebtbob.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/14688/Wheel%20car%20made%20from%20Bachmann%)
     I would also like to be able to get things like separate cupolas to make cabooses with different looks.   Also ladders,  steps,  etc. for bashing purposes.
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: ebtbob on November 13, 2010, 07:36:24 AM
Let me try the image of the wheel/tie flatcar again.

(http://ebtbob.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/14688/Wheel%20car%20made%20from%20Bachmann%20flat%20car.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: glennk28 on November 13, 2010, 11:45:35 AM
ou want detailing parts?  Get Grandt's catalog.  gj
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: ebtbob on November 14, 2010, 12:21:16 AM
Glenn,

      Have you done any kitbashing or scratch building in O scale?   If yes,  how do you find Grandt line for parts selection and availability?
Title: Re: Dream rolling stock for Bachmann to produce
Post by: glennk28 on November 14, 2010, 02:45:30 AM
lots of both --I have been in On3 since about 1974, Ob5 since about 1960--considerable scratchbuilding and kitbashing--note my reference above to an RMC-Dremel kitbash award--I use Grandt parts extensively-there are several items I try to keep on hand.---I like to use styrene for cars--brass for locos. 

As an EBT  guy, a couple of friends and I rebuilt five Sunset  EBT #18's to Pacifics--one went to Joe Luber of Pro Custom Hobbies--

gj