I'm new to the board and new to the large scale hobby, having just purchased my first Bachmann sets this holiday season.
I picked up a Northern Lights set at Sams' Club for what appeared to be a steal of a deal at only $117. Then I found this board and started reading. Since then I've added a Wonderland Flyer set (#90045, I think) so now I also have an Annie locomotive.
My question is this. I often see reference to set ID numbers on Ebay and other online sellers, but for train sets that must be discontinued items. Is there a master list posted or available somewhere, so a newbie like me can find info on the different sets offered over the years, or for example, if I purchase a caboose from set 90028, can I look up set 90028 and find out what other cars belong to that set?
Sorry to be so long winded. Thanks in advance for any help.
Not speaking out of school, I hope, but if you can't get a master list by number... which I'm guessing would be difficult.... you can ask here about a particular set by name, and there's a large probability that someone will recognize it and speak up!
Matthew (OV)
Thanks for the advice.
I am curious about the Christmas or Holiday sets that have been offered over the last few years.
I have noticed references in other threads to the annual Sams' Club sets, indicating they have been offering limited edition Bachmann sets over the last few years.
This years' set is the Northern Lights and I believe the 2006 set was the 2 in 1 set with the NP&S passenger coachs and trolley car.
Could someone tell me what set was offered in 2005 or 2004?
Newbies like me are always such pests! All questions and no answers!
kybaugh,
This is the Sam's set offered in 2005.
(http://www.largescaleonline.com/eimages/lsolpics/Team_Member_Pics/jlsrails/05_SamSet-2.jpg)
The 2005 set was lettered as North Star Express.
(http://www.largescaleonline.com/eimages/lsolpics/Team_Member_Pics/jlsrails/SamClub_North_Pole__Southern_Set.jpg)
This is the 2004 Sam's set. It was lettered as North Pole & Southern. This is not a very good picture. Not shown is a Combine decorated for Christmas. It was packed at the top of the box and I didn't get it in the picture.
Loco Bill has an extensive list of sets. He should be able to provide additional, factual information on most sets offered over the years by Bachmann.
JD
See how well that works? ;D
And... if nobody asked questions, those of us who know answers woudn't have any use for them.... so ask away!
Matthew (OV)
Thanks so much for all your help folks. I've been trying to find information on the Holiday sets since I first became aware of them. I was reluctant to ask on this board - in my limited experience with other message boards - well, I'll just say sometimes people can be a little less than friendly to new people and their simpleton questions.
It looks like the 2004 set might be the same as the current Wonderland Flyer set.
Thanks.
kybaugh,
They sure look to be the same. I've only the pictures to go by.
The 2004 set has a 04 built date on the box car. In the 2007 catalog it does not show a built date on the box car. There may well be a built date on this car. Have not seen it in person.
Either way, the 2007 catalog set #90047 is good looking.
JD
I have a list of all the Christmas Sets, but don't have them with me right now. I will try to get it online in the next day or two..
Thank you Bill.
I'd sure appreciate it, if it's information you don't mind sharing.
There are also special sets for particular chains--Sam's Club and Orchard Supply Hardware are two major ones. BTW--OSH has great train calendars for those close enough to get to a store--which I am not--someone is getting some for me..
Dear ky,
Loco Bill has become the listkeeper, and has more info at his fingertips than I do.
Merry Christmas!
the Bach-man
Hi All,
Here is my best shot, This is my list of everything I know of that Bachmann made in Large Scale with a Christmas Theme. It does not include the individual parts of the 2007 Northern Lights listed sepeerately.
It will take pouring through the data to understand the way some things are tied together. I am not sure how my listing will print out on the forum. Input wiil be for one line at a time per item, but it often shows up on the forum as a three line entry per item.
I am only human and so there may well be errors, Please let me know of any errors readers might find, so that I can correct the entries.
90023 WC Set 1994 ^ Set White Christmas Express P X $250.00
90037 NP&S Set 1999 ^ Set Night Before Christmas P X $300.00
90036 PE Set 2000 ^ Set The Polar Express P X $380.00
90044 NP&S Set 2003 ^ Set North Pole Special P X $300.00 2005 $365.00
90047 NP&S Set 2004 ^ Set Wonderland Flyer w/ 10th Anniversary 4-6-0 P X Sam's Club Set $139.95 1st set with Annie Loco, has Walsherts Valve Gear
90051 NP&S Set 2005 ^ Set North Star Express Wood Burner X Sam's Club Set $139.95 2nd set with Annie Loco, has Stephenson Valve Gear
90047 NP&S Set 2006 ^ Set Wonderland Flyer w/ 10th Anniversary 4-6-0 X Boscov's Set $199.95 Same as Sam's 90047 but Loco has Stephenson Valve Gear
90054 NP&S Set 2006 ^ Set Holiday Special (Train & Trolley) Coal Burner P X Sam's Club Set $169.86 3rd set with Annie Loco, has Stephenson Valve Gear
90047 NP&S Set 2007 ^ Set Wonderland Flyer w/ 10th Anniversary 4-6-0 X Limited Edition $350.00 Bachmann Catalog Set Same as Boscov's set
90061 NP&S Set 2007 ^ Set Northern Lights with LED's X Sam's Club Set $149.95 Set for 2007
90102 HE Set 1990? ^ Set Holiday Express RC P X 27 mhz $120.00 1990
90102 F HE Set 1990? ^ Set Holiday Express RC 49 mhz P X Frank's Nursery $100.00 Sold only at Frank's Nursery Stores 1990
NP&S 25 1995 ~ Loco 4-6-0, North Pole & Southern P X Set only Set Loco Set 90023
NP&S 12 1997 ~ Loco 4-6-0, North Pole & Southern P X Set only Set Loco Set 90037
91 PE 1001 2000 ~ Loco 4-6-0, Polar Express P X only in set $140.00 Set 90036
NP&S 1225 2004 ~ Loco 4-6-0, 10th aniv, North Pole & Southern Ver 5 P X Sam's Club Set Set Loco Sold only in Set 90047 Wonderland Flyer Walshearts Valve Gear
NP&S 205 2005 ~ Loco 4-6-0, 10th aniv, North Pole & Southern Ver 5 X Sam's Club Set Set Loco Sold only in Set 90051 North Star Express
NP&S 12 2006 ~ Loco 4-6-0, 10th aniv, North Pole & Southern Ver 5 X Sam's Club Set Set Loco Sold only in Set 90054 Holiday Special
NP&S 1225 2006 ~ Loco 4-6-0, 10th aniv, North Pole & Southern Ver 5 X Boscov's Set Set Loco Sold only in Boscov's Set 90047 Wonderland Flyer Stephenson Valve Gear
93340 NP&S 30647 2001 Box Car North Pole & Southern P X Blt 6-97 $40.00 first into as a separate item
93340 NP&S 30647 2003 Box Car North Pole & Southern X Blt 6-03 Set Car Set 90044
93340 NP&S 30647 2004 Box Car North Pole & Southern P X Blt 6-04 Set Car Set Wonderland flyer
93800 NP&S none 2005 Caboose 8 whl, North Star Express X metal wheels Set Car Only in Set 90051
93100 None None 1995 Caboose4 4 whl, Santa in Sleigh w reindeer X Set Car Set 90023 and seperately
93140 NP&S None 1997 Caboose4 4 whl, North Pole & Southern p X $40.00 Only in Set 90037
93640 NP&S 2003 2003 Flat Car North Pole & Southern p X NP Tree Farm $40.00 Only in Set 90044
93700 FNC None 1990 Gondola Frank's Nursery & Crafts P X N/A only found in Set 90102
93 NP&S None 1995 Gondola North Pole & Southern Green Two Wreaths P X N/A onlyin Sets 90023 & 47
93 NP&S 30647 1999 Gondola North Pole & Southern Candy Cane P X N/A only found in set 90037
93774 NP&S 2004 2004 Gondola North Pole & Southern Tan One Wreath P X $53.00 Christmas 2004
96240 1993 Hand Car Christmas 1993 P X green $80.00
96241 1994 Hand Car Christmas 1994 P X red $90.00
96241 1996 Hand Car Christmas 1996 P X white $100.00 96241M
98278 NP&S 2005 200? Hopper 3 bay, Scrooge Collieries P X $50.00 Nice Coal for Naughty Childeren
None NP&S None 2006 P Baggage North Pole & Southern Sam's Club Holiday Special X Not Lighted Sam's C Sold online only for 90054 NIC
None NP&S 1 2003 P Combine North Pole & Southern Sam's & Boscov's P X Battery Lights Set Car Only in sets 90044 &47 NIC
None NP&S None 2005 P Combine North Pole & Southern Sam's North Star Express X Battery Lights Set Car Only in Set 90051 NIC
None NP&S None 2006 P Combine North Pole & Southern Sam's Club Holiday Special X Not Lighted None Sold online only for 90054 NIC
None PE 1985 2000 P-Coach Polar Express P X Battery Lights Set Car Only in set 90036
None NP&S None 2005 P-Coach North Pole & Southern Sam's North Star Express X Battery Lights Sam's C Only in Set 90051 NIC
None NP&S None 2006 P-Coach North Pole & Southern Sam's Club Holiday Special X Not Lighted Sam's C Only in Set 90054 NIC
None PE 2000 2000 P-Obs Polar Express P X Battery Lights Set Car Only in set 90036
None NP&S None 2006 P-Obs North Pole & Southern Sam's Club Holiday Special X Not Lighted Set Car Only in Set 90054 NIC
98178 NP&S 2003 2003 Stock Car NP&S Reindeer Transport Express P X metal wheels $52.00
98140 NP&S None 2006 Stock Car NP&S Reindeer Transport X metal wheels $57.00
None NP&S None 2007 Stock Car NP&S Reindeer Transport X New variation None Northern Lights set only
93940 NP&S 1993 1993 Street Car closed, Christmas 1993 P X red w/ green roof $125.00
93941 NP&S 1995 1994 Street Car closed, Christmas 1995 P X green w/ red roof $125.00
747694 None None 1993? Street Car Trolley, North Pole ( musicial, auto-rev ) X metal wheels $80.00 Dillard's
93440 NP&S 2002 2002 Tank Car Mrs. Claus' Special Eggnog P X $50.00
Looks like most entries wiil be three lines starting with the Bachmann Item Number, Reporting Marks, Intro Year The $ amount is the original MSRP. There will be various notes when applicable. Some items have no number or two digits, because they they were only in a set
Bachmann made two North Star Express sets one is not a Christmas.
There are three 90047 Wonderland Flyer some variations exist.
There are many other variations to numerous to mention.
I am open to questions on the above, but please study the list in detail before asking. Having said that I still believe there are no dumb questions!
Milk and cookies are out and I have to go to bed so Santa will come! It will be my grandaughter's first!!!
Enjoy your Christmas
Looks like they posted in one line or two line entries. Hope you can figure out most of it. The info provided is for the personal use of readers of this website. I have copy righted the info above. Please refer any who want the info to this website entry. Please contact me if you wish to reprint the info elsewhere.
Thanks
WOW! I had no idea there were that many Holiday / Christmas sets produced over the years.
Initially, I thought it would be fun to try to collect all the different holiday sets. I wrongly assumed that just a few different sets were made. Looks like it's time for plan B.
Thanks again Bill for providing / sharing that information. That's a lot of information. It appears one of the first things I need to do, is to learn how to tell a Walshearts valve gear from a stephenson valve gear.
Heh. Easy.
Walschaerts:
(http://homepage.mac.com/shirleyg/loco/rodsmall.gif)
Stephenson: Well, can't find an animated one, but it doesn't have the slide for reverse and the outside eccentric crank; it's located inside, so you get a much simpler looking engine outside the axles and frames, like this:
(http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/catalog/image/products/81097.jpg)
Matthew (OV)
Many thanks to Mathew for the great illustrations, and correct spelling, I always seem to screw up the spelling.
Kybaugh, There were many, but he fun of collecting all of them might be an interesting challenge. I believe Wade Colyer has all of them. Over the past year every single Christmas item appeared on EBay and except for a very few at very reasonable prices. :)
The Scrooge Collieries hopper car, The Mrs. Claus Eggnog tank car and the Polar Express Set, and the Dillards Trolly are the hardest to get, and might be considered rare at least on Ebay. ::)
If you decide to go for it, Happy Hunting!! 8)
As a follow up, the Wonderland Flyer set I purchased must be the 2007 edition as the loco has the simpler Stephenson valve gear, and as Mr. Miller pointed out, the box car has no build date.
Also, thanks to Bill's list, I was able to recognize a 2003 trolley car with the green roof/red body, collecting dust on the clearance rack at the local hobby store. That baby went home with me in exchange for 50 greenbacks.
kybaugh,
I agree you have the 2007 Wondetland Flyer. Great buy on the Trolly.
Have fun,