I currently have two separate DC EZ Track ovals running two separate locos. One of the ovals has a left and right turnout to make a small oval within a larger oval. I recently purchased EZ Command plus and both left and right DCC ready turnouts to convert that to DCC. Now that ive done that im thinking about connecting the current DC oval to the DCC oval using more DCC ready turnouts. Ive read that on DC layouts you can short circuit the system with too many turnouts. Is that aconcern with DCC layouts as well? Is there a general rule of thumb about how many turnouts or crossovers you can have on a DCC layout?
DO NOT connect DC powered track to DCC powered track. You will terminally damage everything. You need to choose one or the other on connected trackage. I understand why people want to try to keep partial DC, to keep locomotives they've already invested in. But really, it's like graduating from elementary school to high school. It's a different game and you don't keep stuff from the earlier grades. Leave the training wheels behind and get the big boy toys.
Whoever told you that too many track switches would short out things doesn't know what they're talking about. There are gigantic layouts with hundreds upon hundreds of track switches that cause no short circuit problems by their numbers. It's a non-issue unrelated to mixing DC and DCC power in the same trackage.
The only time switches short things out is when you use them to make a reversing loop without adding the necessary gaps and reversing circuit. Whether is a toggle switch on a DC layout, or autoreverse unit on a DCC layout.
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Thanks guys. I wasnt planning to mix the DC with the DCC. I would remove the DC power supply and then connect tho old DC track to the DCC track by way of DCC ready turnouts or crossovers. If i dont have to worry about shorts it should work fine then. Thanks again.
Good. I like the idea of being to change power sources . I don't have that but I have a few DC engines from back in the Jurassic that I'd like to run sometimes. I'm sure that some electrical engineer here can tell you how to set up toggle switches to go back and forth.
Craig and Trainman, all you need is a DPDT (Double Pole, Double Throw) toggle switch. For this application, stay away from the mini or micro switches since, depending on the size of your layout and number of engines running, you may be pulling a few amps through the switch and the standard size switches can handle a greater amp load.
A DPDT switch has six terminals. Connect the center two to your track, one to each rail. Connect one set of the side terminals to the output of your DC power supply. Connect the other side to the output of your DCC controller. Now, depending to which side you flip the switch, you will either supply DC or DCC to your track. However, it is important that both the DC and DCC controllers be set to 0 before you switch power to the track just to be sure that everything is turned off in order to avoid shorts. If you you want to be a little more sure, they make DPDT switches with a CO (Center Off) position. In this position, the switch conducts no power to either side and your track is completely dead.
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Hope this helps.
P.S. One thing that just came to mind is that I have no idea how the decoders in DCC-ready turnouts react to straight DC current. So, if you have any of those turnouts you may want to do some research on the subject before you fry the decoders.
Ah yes! I knew that some electrogenius would know how to do all that.
One thing I didn't see mentioned at all is converting the existing DC locomotives to DCC. If you're handy with a soldering iron Bachmann locomotives made within the past 25 years or so are pretty simple to add a decoder to.
Thanks for all the great info guys. Im new to the hobby since last November and only have two (working) DC locos. So I wasnt really thinking about switching back and forth. I was just going to switch completely to DCC and be done with it............since I can run my DC locos on the DCC set up when I want. But the performance of the DC locos on the DCC set up isnt as good as when they run on the DC set up. So I may rethink that since it seems like it would be fairly easy to toggle back and forth.
Convert the DC engines to DCC. You'll never regret it.
Is it really thT easy to do if they are not DCC ready?
As always, I'm late to the conversation....
Quote...I have a few DC engines from back in the Jurassic that I'd like to run sometimes....
Quote...I understand why people want to try to keep partial DC, to keep locomotives they've already invested in. But really, it's like graduating from elementary school to high school....
My experience: If you have a large enough layout, you could keep both the DC and the DCC systems. And yes, you could just install a DPDT switch as suggested, or separate the two electrical systems, DC and DCC from one another. Two entirely separate tracks electrically isolated. I wanted to keep my old "steam locomotives" which I hardly run, and the few DC diesels that I have, and they are on a separate (although short length of track). This is what I call my museum pieces. I can operate them, it's just that they don't go far. My DCC track is the mother of all layouts and for the most part, I never left elementary school with the DC, but jumped directly to graduate school with DCC. I will need you guys to let me know if I ever move from either elementary, high, or higher in this modeling career.
If you decide on the DPDT, make sure it's a "break before make" switch. This will ensure the two power sources to not make contact with each other. There will be an instance where someone will forget to turn off the power supplies and switch that DPDT. which is an accident waiting to happen. Also understand that there are some models of DPDT switches that are made to make continuous contact when switching from one to source to another. (Like switching systems from say, a DC battery supply to a DC power source. It's called an uninterruptible power switching, where switching that DPDT switch does not cause a loss of power).
...and if you are wondering did I do that, no, but my kids did. That's why I now have two separate power systems on my layout.
Quote from: CraigB on May 02, 2024, 07:16:09 PMIs it really thT easy to do if they are not DCC ready?
It depends. WHat locomotives are you trying to convert?
Update. I got my first DCC loco with sound yesterday. Bachmann Santa Fe War Bonnet diesel. A little underwhelmed with the top end speed. But really impressed with all the sound and light control functions. Definitely brings the entire experience up to a new level.
The Seemingly slow top speed is probably prototypical. Most model engines run way too fast.
The hard thing on models is to get them to run prototypically slowly. When your DCC engine is on the slow side to begin with, you can really achieve remarkably slow speed Via manipulation of motor control CV's.
Does your engine have a TCS decoder? Or is it a "sound value" decoder?
Sound value. I've read that the TCS decoders are even better. Hard to imagine how. And yes, the smooth running at slow speed makes it nice and easy to manipulate connecting cars, navigating turnouts....etc.
Cv's 209 and 210 govern motor control.
This will work for any sound value engine, and for Tsunami before series 2.
1. Get engine on a track controlled by a system that can change cv settings (no EZ Command)
2. Set cv 2 (starting voltage), 3 and 4 (momentum), 209 and 210 (motor control) to 0.
3. Set throttle to step 1. Engine won't move yet.
4. Try gradually increasing cv 210 value until engine barely starts to move. It will be jerky.
5. Slowly increase cv 209 value until jerkiness smooths out.
6. Set momentum values for smooth start and stop. I like cv3=100 and cv 4=50 but you may want more or less, experiment.
At this point that baby ought to start and stop silky smooth and crawl like an ant.
If things slip up you can always reset with cv8=8 plus track power interruption.
Hmmm..........All I have is EZ Command Plus.
Can't do any of that on EZ command. It is a train set unit, designed to at least open the door to DCC and sound for train sets.
The customizing of CV settings is a more advanced Model Railroad process. Most train set people don't want to fool with that or don't even know about it. So Bachmann has properly produced a unit that provides just enough DCC features to please them, allowing basic sound and some basic functions.
EZ command is basically DCC training wheels. At some point you'll want to take them off and get a big boy bike. It took me a year to do that. EZ command was great for a while, but it finally got old. When I did get a full DCC system, it was akin to seeing the universe for the first time through the Hubble telescope.
QuoteEZ command is basically DCC training wheels
Ok, I have to defend Bachmann on this one. The EZ command is a basic DCC system, I'll admit that. It's not a training system. Yes, if you set the CV's on another system, the EZ command can support its use, provided one uses single digit CV's. I've had the EZ Command for quite some time without issues. My one sound locomotive works with the EZ command, not that I use it that much.
Bachmann introduced the "Dynamis" system (I haven't bought it yet) but was looking into that system which does have the features that everyone seems bent on having. (In another post, I ask for anyone that has the Dynamis to kinda give their thoughts on its use. No response as of this post)
Disclaimer: I'm not professing that Bachmann is the greatest, nor the worse, and I'm not being paid to support or refute any Bachmann products.
For additional info: Programming Long addresses With EZ Command (https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,38441.0.html)
I stated the same in some other post.