I felt my ears burning, so I got to checking where my name was being invoked.
I find myself being quoted, going back almost 15 years. Boy has a lot of water gone under the bridge in that time.
Ok, Here is what I know right now. The statement from 1996 in a Stemwinder article is now out of date. Everything that had been written up to that date had said Russian Iron boiler jackets, so I believed Mal Ferrell (who wasn't there in the ET days by the way). Only by ordering the specification sheets from the DeGoyler Library in Texas did I find that all of the Ten Wheelers had PLANISHED boiler jackets. I think there is some confusion here, as some of the other engines had American Iron boiler jackets, but the Ten Wheelers we are talking about here had a planished boiler, which to my knowledge is a treated, unpainted steel or metal, that does not have paint on it at all. A brand new stove pipe (for the older ones on here) comes to my mind when I say that.
I will admit to never wanting to be the one to choose color. I tell people I live in the 8 color crayon box. Peach is a fruit. I laugh over the conversations about 17 colors of black. Teal is green, etc.
That said, a great deal of research was put into figuring colors a year or so ago when the HOn3 Ten Wheelers were being done by Train & Trooper. They looked to me for every piece of information regarding those engines, and you wouldn't believe how many emails went back and forth, with parts in a foreign language.
I had a trusted friend who is a detail observer sit down with the Herron Rail video (a real copy, not what is on utube) and give me a color list. No. 14 was freshly painted when that footage was taken, in the Hobbs colors. That is where we came up with black domes. He was positive about that.
You have to consider heat, and on top of the boiler is not a cool place to be. Considering the date of 1936 to begin with, and heat resistant paints weren't cheap, and in the depression, the ET was cheap.
In my opinion, and no I wasn't there but neither were you and Jim Hobbs doesn't do internet, we can to some degree say what the colors were. Jim took his Bachmann engine and built valve gear for it, and Lee copied it for their engines. Jim painted his green with Scalecoat II Southern Green, so Bachmann used that color or something close. They did the jacket in a dark blue, which I think matches the prototype. The only good color photos I have seen of No. 12 pre Tweetsie RR are from Shenandoah Central days, and it shows a dark blue on a sunny day.
I have always thought the 90s version of the G Scale engine (pre Annie) was the closest to the right colors. I disagree with the white tires and edging, as we know for a fact that aluminum paint was used, which is very close to white in non color pics.
One last thing. Evidence found since the Ten Wheeler book now shows the engines had gold lettering during the war, not white. No. 11 in 1949 also appears to have received aluminum lettering, and I always said it was deluxe gold, like Nos. 207 and 208. I corrected myself in the first issue of Every Time With No Complaint, with a color picture from 1948, the last year No. 11 had the WWII lettering. The striping and lettering was very different from the white lettering on the combine.
I will admit when I am wrong, and will do so as many times as necessary to get the facts correct. Not everyone admits errors in print, but I do.
I am honored that people quote me here, though I now know some people don't agree with me. Oh well :-) Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Just don't base it on an admittedly colorized photo that was done with no imput from me that I know of.
Research continues and will continue as long as a new photo comes out of the woodwork once in a while. I recently purchased a photo of No. 14 with the oval scheme on the cab dated 1937, a year before I thought the oval scheme came about. That probably disagrees with my article from 1996 and the book from 2001. Consider the record updated, but please don't do like the company used to say and destroy all previous timetables/sources now that new info has come to light. Enjoy your ON30 engines, and if you are modeling in On30, send photos and stories to me for Every Time With No Complaint, the new magazine for the ET&WNCRR Historical Society. We need modeling articles from ET modelers out there.
Johnny Graybeal
I find myself being quoted, going back almost 15 years. Boy has a lot of water gone under the bridge in that time.
Ok, Here is what I know right now. The statement from 1996 in a Stemwinder article is now out of date. Everything that had been written up to that date had said Russian Iron boiler jackets, so I believed Mal Ferrell (who wasn't there in the ET days by the way). Only by ordering the specification sheets from the DeGoyler Library in Texas did I find that all of the Ten Wheelers had PLANISHED boiler jackets. I think there is some confusion here, as some of the other engines had American Iron boiler jackets, but the Ten Wheelers we are talking about here had a planished boiler, which to my knowledge is a treated, unpainted steel or metal, that does not have paint on it at all. A brand new stove pipe (for the older ones on here) comes to my mind when I say that.
I will admit to never wanting to be the one to choose color. I tell people I live in the 8 color crayon box. Peach is a fruit. I laugh over the conversations about 17 colors of black. Teal is green, etc.
That said, a great deal of research was put into figuring colors a year or so ago when the HOn3 Ten Wheelers were being done by Train & Trooper. They looked to me for every piece of information regarding those engines, and you wouldn't believe how many emails went back and forth, with parts in a foreign language.
I had a trusted friend who is a detail observer sit down with the Herron Rail video (a real copy, not what is on utube) and give me a color list. No. 14 was freshly painted when that footage was taken, in the Hobbs colors. That is where we came up with black domes. He was positive about that.
You have to consider heat, and on top of the boiler is not a cool place to be. Considering the date of 1936 to begin with, and heat resistant paints weren't cheap, and in the depression, the ET was cheap.
In my opinion, and no I wasn't there but neither were you and Jim Hobbs doesn't do internet, we can to some degree say what the colors were. Jim took his Bachmann engine and built valve gear for it, and Lee copied it for their engines. Jim painted his green with Scalecoat II Southern Green, so Bachmann used that color or something close. They did the jacket in a dark blue, which I think matches the prototype. The only good color photos I have seen of No. 12 pre Tweetsie RR are from Shenandoah Central days, and it shows a dark blue on a sunny day.
I have always thought the 90s version of the G Scale engine (pre Annie) was the closest to the right colors. I disagree with the white tires and edging, as we know for a fact that aluminum paint was used, which is very close to white in non color pics.
One last thing. Evidence found since the Ten Wheeler book now shows the engines had gold lettering during the war, not white. No. 11 in 1949 also appears to have received aluminum lettering, and I always said it was deluxe gold, like Nos. 207 and 208. I corrected myself in the first issue of Every Time With No Complaint, with a color picture from 1948, the last year No. 11 had the WWII lettering. The striping and lettering was very different from the white lettering on the combine.
I will admit when I am wrong, and will do so as many times as necessary to get the facts correct. Not everyone admits errors in print, but I do.
I am honored that people quote me here, though I now know some people don't agree with me. Oh well :-) Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Just don't base it on an admittedly colorized photo that was done with no imput from me that I know of.
Research continues and will continue as long as a new photo comes out of the woodwork once in a while. I recently purchased a photo of No. 14 with the oval scheme on the cab dated 1937, a year before I thought the oval scheme came about. That probably disagrees with my article from 1996 and the book from 2001. Consider the record updated, but please don't do like the company used to say and destroy all previous timetables/sources now that new info has come to light. Enjoy your ON30 engines, and if you are modeling in On30, send photos and stories to me for Every Time With No Complaint, the new magazine for the ET&WNCRR Historical Society. We need modeling articles from ET modelers out there.
Johnny Graybeal