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Title: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: NWsteam on December 11, 2009, 05:53:17 PM
I know this has been discussed before and I have searched the forum but I am still a bit confused. The #6 remote crossover product number 44575 (found here: http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?act=viewProd&productId=173 (http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?act=viewProd&productId=173)) is what I am wondering about. If I wish to expand my single 22 inch radius loop into a double, what radius do I need to go with it?. Furthermore, What are the specs of this turnout? How long, how wide, how far way are the rails from each other? Thanks for the help.

-Brad
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: full maxx on December 11, 2009, 06:47:36 PM
I also have a 22" radius loop and was wondering if I should go with a 18" radius or would 26" radius work with the same crossovers because I have been told that the engines I have, have trouble on the 18" radius or is that just the #4 turnouts ... I would like to order tonight to have by Christmas
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: ABC on December 11, 2009, 07:09:31 PM
26" radius should work on the outside.
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: full maxx on December 11, 2009, 07:17:50 PM
Quote from: ABC on December 11, 2009, 07:09:31 PM
26" radius should work on the outside.
with the #6 crossovers? would 18" radius work as well
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: NWsteam on December 11, 2009, 07:20:09 PM
I realize 26's should work but I need something a little more concrete than that.  :D Here's my problem. I want to add an outside loop to this:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=130738&id=706702405&l=1e8eb99fc4 (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=130738&id=706702405&l=1e8eb99fc4)

As you can see it is a bit tight on the left side. That is why I was interesting in the specs. The inside loop on the double main line with travel up the grade while the outside loop will go into the mountains and stay level.
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: NWsteam on December 11, 2009, 07:21:38 PM
Full Maxx- Yes it will. I'm almost 99% sure that the 22" and 18" will work together.
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: full maxx on December 11, 2009, 07:35:21 PM
I have heard or read on here that the consolidated and/or the Pere Marquette either have trouble on the 18" radius or the #4 turnouts but I can't remember which/both
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: NWsteam on December 11, 2009, 07:39:24 PM
My guess would be that the consolidation can handle 18" curves. I don't know about the #4 turnouts.

If by Pere Marquette you mean the 2-8-4 then I would say it would have trouble with both.
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: full maxx on December 11, 2009, 07:47:46 PM
thanks for the info
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: ABC on December 11, 2009, 08:25:13 PM
the 2-8-4 is best run on 22" radius and #6 turnouts anything less should be avoided.
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: jbsmith on December 11, 2009, 08:45:58 PM
The 2-8-0 and 2-8-4 can run on 18 and 22 inch curves just fine.
I have both on my layout and have Never and a problem with the
locos going thru the curves.

Turnouts are a whole different ball game.

My 2-8-0 can handle even "basic"turnouts, these are even tighter than
#4 turnouts.
The 2-8-4,, go with the #6 turnouts.
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: jbsmith on December 11, 2009, 09:18:52 PM
Quote from: NWsteam on December 11, 2009, 05:53:17 PM
I know this has been discussed before and I have searched the forum but I am still a bit confused. The #6 remote crossover product number 44575 (found here: http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?act=viewProd&productId=173 (http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?act=viewProd&productId=173)) is what I am wondering about. If I wish to expand my single 22 inch radius loop into a double, what radius do I need to go with it?. Furthermore, What are the specs of this turnout? How long, how wide, how far way are the rails from each other? Thanks for the help.

-Brad


This?
since it is the best photo i could find

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=BAC44575

If you know distance between the rails temselves on a regular piece of track,
then you may be able to calculate width part things in the photo.
The length of the whole thing?  At least 18inch, maybe 22 or 24 inch is my best Guess.
I've seen these on the wall at a LHS and they are well over a foot long.
So far i have not found Any site that just tells the dimensions of these.

Radius for a second loop?
18 if you want a loop inside the 22 ,
24 or greater if outside the 22 loop.
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: full maxx on December 11, 2009, 09:24:06 PM
they are 21" long according to the two I just bought , since they are 21" I told the wife that the regular straights are 9" so two would make only 18" so we would have to have both to keep things balanced... as far as width I have no idea
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: ABC on December 11, 2009, 09:49:02 PM
Quote from: jbsmith on December 11, 2009, 08:45:58 PM
The 2-8-0 and 2-8-4 can run on 18 and 22 inch curves just fine.
I have both on my layout and have Never and a problem with the
locos going thru the curves.
I said best run on 22", I still think 18" radius is a bit too tight on 18" radius.
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: NWsteam on December 11, 2009, 10:43:15 PM
I think I'm just going to run to the hobby shop tomorrow and take a tape measure with me.

jbsmith- Bachmann doesn't make 24" radius do they? I thought the next size up after 22" was 26". Correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks for the help everyone.

-Brad
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: Joe Satnik on December 11, 2009, 10:59:08 PM
According to Hunt, the crossovers are 21-1/4" long, with a 2-3/8" (center-line to center-line) track spacing.

You will need to do isolation cuts on the crossovers if you want to run your trains in DC-Block mode.  (Inside oval on different circuit than outside oval.) 
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: full maxx on December 12, 2009, 02:32:25 AM
how about running on one transformer with feeders or is that too much track...also can the same transformer control the switches at the same time since they only work for like a half a second
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: ABC on December 12, 2009, 01:45:13 PM
It can control both the loco and the turnouts, but you will not be happy with the results. It will cause your loco to slow down or possibly even come to a complete stop, and will be even worse if running 2 trains, and worse yet if you are running locos double or triple headed.
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: full maxx on December 12, 2009, 02:37:14 PM
is there a booster to help running dc
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: ABC on December 12, 2009, 03:15:35 PM
No, just buy a better power pack rated at more amps, but it would be cheaper to use one cheaper power pack to run the locos and one to power the accessories.
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: full maxx on December 12, 2009, 07:54:33 PM
are the switches 12 or 16 volts ,the auction or Bachmann does not say on there respective pages
Title: Re: #6 turnout specs...again.
Post by: jbsmith on December 12, 2009, 09:22:39 PM
Quote from: NWsteam on December 11, 2009, 10:43:15 PM
I think I'm just going to run to the hobby shop tomorrow and take a tape measure with me.

jbsmith- Bachmann doesn't make 24" radius do they? I thought the next size up after 22" was 26". Correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks for the help everyone.

-Brad

You're right,,the next up from 22" is 26" for Bachman EZ-Track.
I was thinking of Atlas True Track,,that goes from 22" to 24"