Theres definintiely a void to be filled now that IHC is no more. You guys already have the pantographs!
At least if Bachmann made it, you could find it. cant say the same for broadway limited
if not, ill settle for another run of e-33's in NEW HAVEN orange. boy they are tough to find as well
I vote for the GG-1.
I have two that are mid 70's vintage DC.
Sure would like to have a DCC.
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BLI lost the tooling for the GG-1 to MTH in the settlement of a lawsuit. The lawsuit is old news, over some arcane aspect of the industry and an overseas fabricator. Thus you will like as not ever see another BLI GG-1. They are of course on Ebray. Given that MTH has the tooling, and the cost of development, I bet not many manufacturers are going to go out on a limb for a GG, only to have MTH put one out right behind it.
...crap...
oh well, need some classic electric!!!
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=306902&nseq=3
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=294006&nseq=3
MTH is always such a bothering company. The moment Athearn releases the advertisements for their Vendera Turbine for Union Pacific, guess what MTH releases at the iHobby Expo?
A Union Pacific Vendera Turbine.
In fact, Broadway Limited Imports and MTH are immense competitors. I like to see what models they make to see what new moves and how the game goes. So far, MTH has tried to combat some recent good vibes from Broadway Limited Imports by releasing a Nickel Plate steam locomotive and a Little Joe...
Some say that the N&W J class was created just to irk the Broadway Limited people. However, no matter how much they boast the J class, the 9000 class was the real star. I saw some die-hard BLI fans pre-ordering them.
Bachmann, if you release the GG-1, please go for harder plastics with it. I want to be able to turn it silver...
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_prr4872a.jpg
Cheers,
Joshua
"I bet not many manufacturers are going to go out on a limb for a GG, only to have MTH put one out right behind it."
Id like a GG1 for around a hundred bucks and preferrably less. You WONT get that from MTH and its greedy owner. Im so sick of their limited runs and questionable availability. ask some people that collect their o gage stuff. They do it on purpose to enhance "collectability" and "investment". I wish theyd go do baseball cards or something.
Thats why i prefer bachmann....I can find their product from numerous sources because its out there, not coming in three years and in a lot of 50 or less.
A real shame about IHC :-\ They produced nice, quality locos for many years and for low prices. The latest Premier Gold line products were DCC ready, had flywheels and RP-25 wheels. I have several. They had really come into their own.
Robert
Darn. I bought some parts from IHC last fall, and needed more. :(
Quote from: pipefitter on February 02, 2010, 12:00:49 PM
A real shame about IHC :-\ They produced nice, quality locos for many years and for low prices. The latest Premier Gold line products were DCC ready, had flywheels and RP-25 wheels. I have several. They had really come into their own.
Robert
Yeah they did
My 4-4-0 and 2-6-0 are great runners and lookers
Their USRA 2-8-2 and 4-8-2 were also real buys
Quote from: uncbob on February 02, 2010, 10:47:18 PM
My 4-4-0 and 2-6-0 are great runners and lookers.
Same here.
I would think someone would buy IHC, and they may have already. Any way it would be a good fit bor Bachmann.
Quote from: RAM on February 03, 2010, 09:14:46 PM
I would think someone would buy IHC, and they may have already. Any way it would be a good fit bor Bachmann.
There's a reason why they went out of business and it all goes back to money, so why would somebody else want something that will put them in the red.
Yep all their steamers were being duplicated by the other biggies
Back in the mid 90s when I started buying their steamers the only rival was Rivarossi
More detail but more $
Quote from: uncbob on February 04, 2010, 08:38:10 AM
Yep all their steamers were being duplicated by the other biggies
Back in the mid 90s when I started buying their steamers the only rival was Rivarossi
More detail but more $
I had problems with some of their old-timer 4-4-0s, which made me wary of buying their locomotives, but I've never had cause to regret their modern American. It wasn't what I still would like to have, a PRR D16 "as built," and I'm guessing maybe it's oversize for scale, but I've never had any mechanical problems with it.
Quote from: uncbob on February 02, 2010, 10:47:18 PM
Quote from: pipefitter on February 02, 2010, 12:00:49 PM
A real shame about IHC :-\ They produced nice, quality locos for many years and for low prices. The latest Premier Gold line products were DCC ready, had flywheels and RP-25 wheels. I have several. They had really come into their own.
Robert
Yeah they did
My 4-4-0 and 2-6-0 are great runners and lookers
Their USRA 2-8-2 and 4-8-2 were also real buys
Do not forget their 2-10-2's. These had a fair amount of detail and are excellent running engines.
Quote from: uncbob on February 04, 2010, 08:38:10 AM
Yep all their steamers were being duplicated by the other biggies
Back in the mid 90s when I started buying their steamers the only rival was Rivarossi
More detail but more $
Unless I'm very much misinformed, I think you could say there is a bit of sad irony here. It's my understanding that once upon a time, IHC was AHM, which--how would you say it?--distributed Rivarossi in the U.S.
I'm thinking 40 years ago, here, when I was still just a lad.
I'm franky sick of seeing anything Pennsy, I hate belpaire fireboxes, if i ever had a K4 i'd probably cut the box-like look off the firebox. But as far as the GG-1, it's a model that's been outdone way too much, in my opinion they're going to try and make an engine that has wide range of roadnames.
I have used several Pennsylvania engines, due to the their Fireboxes. The GN (which I model mostly) PREFERRED this type. There are only a few other roads that used them. They are easy to convert to a "Believable" model. Just change a few details.... AND WHALLLAAA.... A GOOD close "Enough" (for me) Dependable runner!
At the risk of going OT, there must have been some perceived advantage to the Belpaire firebox, or the PRR and the GN surely would not have adopted it. Does anybody know what it was?
But. ... The appearance of the Belpaire firebox doesn't bother me so much on smaller Pennsy power, say, from before 1910, but by the time we get to the Pacifics and larger engines, I find it very unattractive. For me the B&O's "Presidential" Pacifics are much more attractive engines than the PRR's K-4s.
And that Pennsy slatted chicken-coop pilot? :P
It has something to do with being able to burn a more "Generic"or cheaper type of coal...
Knowing the GN, it probably had to do with saving on operating costs.
yep they were burning coal that had a lower output of BTU's so they needed to burn more at any given time. I don't know if it was economics or simply that the low BTU coal was all that was available in the region. Consider that if you have local coal you find a way to utilize it, rather than paying to transport "better" coal from somewhere else. If you're really into it, search the BLI forums, there was a rather in depth discussion there at one point.
The Belpaire firebox was invented by Alfred Belpaire of Belgium. It has a greater surface area at the top of the firebox, improving heat transfer and steam production. Its rectangular shape makes attaching the firebox to the boiler more difficult, but this is offset by simpler interior bracing of the firebox.
As Only the PRR and the GN in the U.S. and only a couple of classes in Canada used the Belpaire firebox it seems an oddity to North Americans yet it was a common firebox in places like the UK, where it was used on everything from lowly 0-6-0T shunters (switchers) to the top of the line. crack 100MPH passenger locos.
Quote from: Johnson Bar Jeff on February 09, 2010, 11:54:11 AM
At the risk of going OT, there must have been some perceived advantage to the Belpaire firebox, or the PRR and the GN surely would not have adopted it. Does anybody know what it was?
Thanks to those who answered my question about the advantage of the Belpaire firebox. :)