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Title: All DCC engines suddenly run slow on 2 tracks
Post by: F1Guy123 on December 30, 2012, 10:10:48 PM
I just set up a brand new kit including 2 engines, track and a digital controller.  I'm using a flat table and set up a simple oval.  It has worked perfectly for 3 days since Christmas, and both engines moved quickly at max speed.  Today I powered up and both engines are running very slow.  I have to move the knob to 3/4 power just to see any movement.  Full speed is less than 1/2 of what it was yesterday.  This is on both engines, and on 2 different tracks that are electrically independent.  I've reseated all cables, and checked everything possible.  No solution.  Voltage coming out of the power supply is 20v a/c.  Voltage at almost any point on the track is 18v A/C so I known it is getting voltage.  It's like something happened to the digital controller or onboard chips and it's not stepping up to higher speeds?

I'll have to pack it up in the boxes and return if I can't find a solution. That would be sad and a lot of wasted time.

Anyone else seen this?
Title: Re: All DCC engines suddenly run slow on 2 tracks
Post by: bapguy on December 31, 2012, 12:31:18 PM
What digital controller system are you using?  Joe
Title: Re: All DCC engines suddenly run slow on 2 tracks
Post by: electrical whiz kid on January 02, 2013, 02:38:47 PM
Re-check your track connections., or your buss connections to the track.  Just a suggestion, only this time, with a multimeter.  We are going to check voltage.
Rich C.
Title: Re: All DCC engines suddenly run slow on 2 tracks
Post by: richg on January 02, 2013, 04:05:47 PM
Make sure a loco is in the slow section when measuring. With no loco in the slow section, there is no load so you will see nearly full voltage everywhere.

Rich
Title: Re: All DCC engines suddenly run slow on 2 tracks
Post by: F1Guy123 on January 03, 2013, 12:53:51 PM
What digital controller system are you using?  Joe

E-Z Command Control center

Re-check your track connections., or your buss connections to the track.  Just a suggestion, only this time, with a multimeter.  We are going to check voltage.
Rich C.


Not sure if you read my original post through... I set up 2 different ovals and measured voltage around both...  all readings were within a volt of the output from the controller.

Make sure a loco is in the slow section when measuring. With no loco in the slow section, there is no load so you will see nearly full voltage everywhere.

Per your suggestion I remeasured all around the track with a loco running.  Same results.  I get about 21-22 volts anywhere on the track.  Also, there is no 'slow' section.  2 engines are slow on 2 different tracks across all areas.  There is NO change in speed or control response anywhere on either track.  I try 2 seperate tracks connecting them to the controller directly.  SAME very slow speeds on both tracks, all sectons.


Title: Re: All DCC engines suddenly run slow on 2 tracks
Post by: poppyz on January 03, 2013, 05:46:28 PM
          Sounds like the engine/engines have dropped from the speed step setting some how. There is a " CV " for engine speed built in to the DCC card in each engine. I'm no genius on DCC , but, that's what I think.
           To reset you need to have a controller capable of setting CV' s .
Title: Re: All DCC engines suddenly run slow on 2 tracks
Post by: Piyer on January 03, 2013, 08:16:41 PM
A couple of shots in the dark - mainly to eliminate them as possible problems.

1) Have you tried cleaning the track and the wheels?

2) Have you tried setting up a test track (preferably with previously unused track)?

3) Is the track bare - in other words, is it as it came from the manufacturer, or have you painted / ballasted / otherwise added scenery material to and / or around it?

~AJ
Title: Re: All DCC engines suddenly run slow on 2 tracks
Post by: richg on January 03, 2013, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: poppyz on January 03, 2013, 05:46:28 PM
          Sounds like the engine/engines have dropped from the speed step setting some how. There is a " CV " for engine speed built in to the DCC card in each engine. I'm no genius on DCC , but, that's what I think.
           To reset you need to have a controller capable of setting CV' s .

When a DCC loco "suddenly" changes it's response and everything else is still ok, reset the decoder to factory specs.

Rich
Title: Re: All DCC engines suddenly run slow on 2 tracks
Post by: timhar47 on January 07, 2013, 11:18:28 PM
RE Reset - if you got a full Bachmann set w/Bachmann DCC controller, the book will tell you how to reset the loco.