Is it possible to order Bachmann European engines across seas? I want a Class 37, but I don't know of anywhere else to buy a British engine in the US.
Help anyone?
try here
http://www.brianbaldwinbjb.com/index.htm (http://www.brianbaldwinbjb.com/index.htm)
Thank you ;D Thats definitely a good place to start. Unfortunately, they don't have a HO scale Class 37. Do you know of anywhere that would sell one?
Another U.S. location for english loco's is here.
http://www.models11.net/store/
Tim Anders
Souderton, PA
Hattons in the UK is a good place to buy from.
www.ehattons.com
Unfortunately you can't buy an HO 37 class. All british models are made to OO scale which is 4mm.
Charles Emerson
Queensland
Australia
Quote from: Ozzie21 on May 17, 2008, 09:06:40 AM
Hattons in the UK is a good place to buy from.
www.ehattons.com
Unfortunately you can't buy an HO 37 class. All british models are made to OO scale which is 4mm.
Charles Emerson
Queensland
Australia
Oh. I thought 00 is the same as HO scale? I thought it was just called that in Great Britten.
But thank you all for providing links :)
Great Britain.
And keep in mind that "English" and "England" ONLY applies to "England", not Scotland, not Wales, not Northern Ireland.
Glasgow is in Scotland not England, for example. Far too often, North Americans refer to "England" and "English" as though it's the whole of the United Kingdom, when it doesn't.
The "English Army" is a common error when "British Army" is more correct.
OO (in Britain) is 1:76 scale (to be pedantic 1:76.2) running on 16.5mm (HO) gauge track. The scale is also expressed as 4mm scale, that is 4mm model to 1 foot (prototype).
The old american OO was 1:76 running on 19mm track.
Current British OO can be run together with HO (couplings will need changing). Whether the scale difference matters is up to you. As British prototypes are often smallish thay can look OK alongside disimilar US or european prototypes. Alongside a similar HO scale item it may look large.
Hamish
Quote from: Steam Freak on May 16, 2008, 03:45:21 PMIs it possible to order Bachmann European engines across seas? I want a Class 37, but I don't know of anywhere else to buy a British engine in the US. Help anyone?
Mornin', Steam freak, just picked this one up off the forum - you are correct to call it British - there are no Class 37 locomotives in Northern Ireland [part of the United Kingdom, but incorrect to call it European - there are no Class 37 locomotives on mainland Europe.
The three countries making up the 'big island' of Great Britain are England, Scotland and Wales. The province of Ulster, also called Northern Ireland, is physically part of the island of Ireland. The 'Great' of Great Britain is not a boast, but a description - it was once called 'Greater Britain', to distinguish it from 'Lesser Britain', a part of Northern France that is still called Bretagne [Brittany in English].
Many Brits, myself included, do not care to be referred to as Europeans, BTW.
There are a few H0 scale British locomotives [note that I call them locomotives and not engines], in particular, one maker produces an H0 Class 59 and 66. The Class 66 is very common on mainland Europe as well as here in UK.
Good luck in your quest!
tac
www.ovgrs.org
Now as a Scotsman this was debate I'd rather not enter into. Sufficed to say all of Europe should speak french according to one country and I wouldn't want to be called a european. It's like calling a Canadian an American. Bring back imperial measure.
Charles Emerson
Queensland
Australia
Quote from: tac on May 18, 2008, 03:56:01 AM
Quote from: Steam Freak on May 16, 2008, 03:45:21 PMIs it possible to order Bachmann European engines across seas? I want a Class 37, but I don't know of anywhere else to buy a British engine in the US. Help anyone?
Mornin', Steam freak, just picked this one up off the forum - you are correct to call it British - there are no Class 37 locomotives in Northern Ireland [part of the United Kingdom, but incorrect to call it European - there are no Class 37 locomotives on mainland Europe.
The three countries making up the 'big island' of Great Britain are England, Scotland and Wales. The province of Ulster, also called Northern Ireland, is physically part of the island of Ireland. The 'Great' of Great Britain is not a boast, but a description - it was once called 'Greater Britain', to distinguish it from 'Lesser Britain', a part of Northern France that is still called Bretagne [Brittany in English].
Many Brits, myself included, do not care to be referred to as Europeans, BTW.
There are a few H0 scale British locomotives [note that I call them locomotives and not engines], in particular, one maker produces an H0 Class 59 and 66. The Class 66 is very common on mainland Europe as well as here in UK.
Good luck in your quest!
tac
www.ovgrs.org
Quote from: tac link=topic=5513.msg47244#msg47244 date=1211097361
Many Brits, myself included, do not care to be referred to as Europeans, BTW.
/quote]
How every true. It brings to mind the famous headline in a British national newspaper: -
"Heavy Fog In Channel - Europe Isolated" :)
Sums up the British attitude to Europe and the rest of the world at the time.
Quote from: rogertra on May 18, 2008, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from: tac link=topic=5513.msg47244#msg47244 date=1211097361
Many Brits, myself included, do not care to be referred to as Europeans, BTW.
/quote]
How every true. It brings to mind the famous headline in a British national newspaper: -
"Heavy Fog In Channel - Europe Isolated" :)
Sums up the British attitude to Europe and the rest of the world at the time.
Your point, Sir, being what, precisely? My comment was intended to show that I still have what is called 'national pride' by those nations who still have it.
If YOU don't believe yourself to be superior to those poor deluded persons who chose to live in countries other than yours, what is the point of having separate nationalities?
tac
www.ovgrs.org
Tac.
Suggest you reread what I wrote. Carefully this time. You'll see I'm agreeing with your original comment and your later comment about national pride..
back on topic, i would look on ebay and ho is british oo but british ho is a slightly larger guage.
Quote from: Daylight4449 on May 18, 2008, 08:11:32 PM
back on topic, i would look on ebay and ho is british oo but british ho is a slightly larger guage.
That is confusing. OO and HO are different
scales. OO is 1:76, HO 1:87. HO uses 16.5mm gauge track to represent standard gauge. In Britain OO also uses 16.5mm track to represent standard gauge. The
gauge is the same but the
scale different. 1:76 scale on 16.5mm track is called OO in Britain, not HO. HO in Britain refers to 1:87 scale and a few people do model in it.
There was an old american gauge of 19mm for OO (1:76) scale but that is long obsolete (occasionally crops up on ebay) and was not used in Britain.
To stray off topic, having scottish descent I do object to the use of "English" for "British", but Steamfreak did not do that. As for the British objection to being called "european", the brach of Bachmann that makes British outline trains is called, by Bachmann, Bachmann Europe. So in referring to Bachmann European trains Stemfreak was correct, he was referring to trains from Bachmann Europe. And technically Britain is part of europe, while Scotland is not part of England.
Hamish
Hmmm......So a 00 scale locomotive on HO scale track would like it look like Narrow Gage?
Thank you also for the History Lesson. I'll try to remember it the best I can when using terms like that.
HO track scales at about 4 foot 1 and a half inches in OO scale. Viewed head on locos etc. can look a little narrow gauge. Most in Britain ignore this , although there are some who model with more accurate gauges, which requires conversions and kit or scratch building etc.
As I said previously, the only sure way is to look at what you are interested in, and decide for yourself whether the look is acceptable. Difficult I know if you are reliant on mail order.
Hamish
Good enough for me :)
Do you know also if its possible to get South West Digital sound shipped to the US? SWD makes Class 37 sound. What I would want to do, is get everything and make it sound like this guy's Class 37: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZNMN1RtfhTE
Britain and America have different sizes in england ho is larger than oo but in America ho is smaller than oo. my friend uses oo locos from england but her track is american ho track. british oo matches up closely to american ho. the only difference is british locos were always small compared to american locos. lionel tried amerian oo for a short period to compete with american flyer but it was short lived due to joshuas hat for small toy trains as he called them, in america oo is now rare, so is tt.
Quote from: Daylight4449 on May 19, 2008, 11:27:33 PM
Britain and America have different sizes in england ho is larger than oo but in America ho is smaller than oo. my friend uses oo locos from england but her track is american ho track. british oo matches up closely to american ho. the only difference is british locos were always small compared to american locos. lionel tried amerian oo for a short period to compete with american flyer but it was short lived due to joshuas hat for small toy trains as he called them, in america oo is now rare, so is tt.
Huh?
OO is always larger than HO. OO is 1:76, and HO is 1:87 scale, it doesn't change depending on the country. OO and HO both run on the same gauge track. Lionel got as small as OO in the 40's-50's because it was the smallest they could get, still fitting all the electronics in.
...and 00 scale only exists because the locomotives over here at the time that really small model railways became popular in the late 1920's were too small in H0 to accept the then pretty bulky electric motors. So the linear scale was upped to 4mm to the foot and called 00, while staying with the 16.5mm track gauge of H0.
Over here in UK there are purists, who run 00 on handbuilt track of around 18.3mm gauge, called Protofour, but it is an exotic and exceedingly rare venture.
Most over here, having grown up with the so-called 'wrong scale' neither care nor worry about the 'wrongness' of it. Model railways over here are still a VERY important part of the model culture - any country that has around ten monthly magazines devoted to a single hobby just has to be pretty serious about it.
Our little club layout, about 40 feet by 10, has around a thousand feet of finescale Code 80 track. I happily run all my US/Can/European stuff on it when nobody is looking too hard. ;)
tac
www.ovgrs.org
Can anybody help me with the question I had about Southwest Digital?
Steamfreak, this is the web address for SWD http://www.southwestdigital.co.uk/
They use ESU Loksound decoders and they come pre programmed with the appropriate noises.
Or you could order a Bachmann Branchline 20 class diesel that comes factory fitted with sound.
Another supplier of British sounds is oddly enough Digitrax. They list in their soundloader menu the following British sounds; Class 108 DMU, BR Yorkie, Class 37, light prarie tank and BR std class 5. Seems odd but they must have a market in the UK or they wouldn't have listed them.
Ozzie21
Quote from: Steam Freak on May 22, 2008, 07:56:11 PM
Can anybody help me with the question I had about Southwest Digital?
Quote from: Daylight4449 on May 19, 2008, 11:27:33 PM
Britain and America have different sizes in england ho is larger than oo but in America ho is smaller than oo. my friend uses oo locos from england but her track is american ho track. british oo matches up closely to american ho. the only difference is british locos were always small compared to american locos. lionel tried amerian oo for a short period to compete with american flyer but it was short lived due to joshuas hat for small toy trains as he called them, in america oo is now rare, so is tt.
What are you talking about?
The difference is in the scale 1:76 vs 1:87
I though I might have had a picture of comparable locos in HO and OO scale to show the difference. In reality the UK loading gauge is a composite to allow most rolling stock to traverse most lines in the UK. There are some restrictions where rolling stock has to be special built to suit the the restricted loading gauge in some places. Overall dimensions of rolling stock when compared to US rolling stock is reduced roughly 2ft in height and width allowing for a US average of 16ft by 11ft.
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p18/Ozzie21trains/H8__1647_with_NSWGR_AD60_Garrett.jpg)
This picture while showing two HO scale locos shows roughly the difference in size. The C&O Allegheny is 16' 6 and 31/32" high and 11' 1 and 1/2" wide the NSWGR AD 60 class Garrett 14' high and 9"3" wide. The Allegheny weighs in at 600tons approx, the AD60 380Tons similar locos did operate in the UK during the forties and fities. The last NSW Garrett in 1972.
Ozzie21