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Title: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: on30gn15 on August 29, 2009, 11:08:32 AM
Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?

Reason:
I have Asperger's Syndrome, an Autism related disorder, and certain sounds actually hurt - one effect of the disorder is hypersensitivity to certain sounds, and light. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome)

Even at lowest setting of rotary switch on bottom of tender it is still too loud for me.

Anybody know of some kind of electronic tidbit that could be cut into wires to speaker to lower the power?
Title: Re: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: Joe Satnik on August 29, 2009, 01:22:09 PM
Dear Forrest,

http://girr.org/girr/tips/tips4/bachmann_sound_tips.html

Scroll down to "Better Bass", and "A New Version of the Bachmann Sound Board".

Sometimes the equalization is more important than overall volume.

http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pads/

You could put in an "L" pad between the circuit board and the speaker.  Use R1 about half the impedence of the speaker, R2 about the same impedence of the speaker. 

Half watt resistors should do.  This should give you about a 6 dB attenuation. 

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik
Title: Re: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: on30gn15 on August 29, 2009, 02:26:12 PM
Hey Joe;

Thanks  :)

Oh boy, that's going to take a few readings to absorb!
Title: Re: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: Joe Satnik on September 07, 2009, 04:40:28 PM
Dear All,

None of my Version 5 volume controls really ever worked.  I've been told by someone knowledgeable that they have, and that we should send them back in to Philly to get them fixed.  (The schematic on George Schreyer's website certainly looks as though the volume control should work.) 

If you just want to brute-force reduce the volume with a 2-resistor  L-pad, Here's how:

(Let's see if I can do this using keyboard characters.)

Big Hauler Chuff - output to speaker, as is:
 
                                                                    /l
---------                                                   __/  l
chuff      l------------------------------------l   l  l
board      l                                                  l   l  l 8 ohm speaker
             l                                                  l   l  l
             l------------------------------------l__l  l
---------l                                                      \  l
                                                                     \l

With L-pad added:

 
                                                                    /l
---------                                                   __/  l
chuff      l------R1----------l-----------------l   l  l
board      l                         R                       l   l  l 8 ohm speaker
             l                         2                       l   l  l
             l------------------l-----------------l__l  l
---------l                                                      \  l
                                                                     \l

One speaker wire is cut, and Resistor R1 is soldered "in series" at that point between the chuff board and the speaker. 

Resistor R2 is soldered "in parallel" across the speaker terminals (or the two wires beyond R1).

L-pad Attenuation (dB), R1 value (ohms), R2 value (ohms):

-1, 0.9, 66
-2, 1.6, 31
-3, 2.3, 19
-4, 3.0, 13.7
-5, 3.5, 10.3
-6, 4.0, 8.0
-8, 4.8, 5.3
-10, 5.5, 3.7
-20, 7.2, 0.9

The cheapest parts would be a single 5-pack of 10-Ohm, 1/2-Watt resistors from Radio Shack:

Item number: 271-1101

This would give a -5dB attenuation. 

Use one of them (=10 Ohms) for R2,  Use 3 of them (a, b and c) in parallel with each other (10/3=3.3 Ohms) for R1.

    /-R1a-\
__/- R1b- \__
    \-R1c -/

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik




Title: Re: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: NarrowMinded on September 08, 2009, 01:23:11 AM
I am not up on all the details of the large scale but on the spectrum I have the sound is in the tender, I would just tape over some or all of the holes in front of the speaker, if tape does not work try some thin self adhesive foam strips the type used to seal/insulate around your windows of your house. maybe crude, but easy to reverse.
Title: Re: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: on30gn15 on September 08, 2009, 08:56:45 PM
Ahh, thanks Joe  :) Helps to see it that way.

NarrowMinded, that's an idea.

There's a loco available to try each on.
there's an assortment of resistors on hand.

Will have to give it a go tomorrow.
Title: Re: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: Joe Satnik on September 09, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
Forrest,

Forget my fix til you try various kinds of tape.

My resistor fix will give a "flat" reduction in volume  - no "roll off" of the irritating higher frequencies.


NarrowMinded,

Kudos for the tape suggestion.  It should muffle the highs more than the lows. 

Too bad you didn't bring it up sooner. 

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik



   
Title: Re: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: on30gn15 on September 09, 2009, 06:16:25 PM
Okay then, here's where the starting point will be - take tender apart, remove speaker, cut piece of cardstock to fit over speaker, reassemble the lot.

Will work on that after supper.
Title: Re: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: on30gn15 on September 09, 2009, 07:09:05 PM
Well, maybe before supper after all  ;D

Photo story here: http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/aa309/FSW4picts/Bachmann%20Loco%20Sound/ (http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/aa309/FSW4picts/Bachmann%20Loco%20Sound/)

At lowest setting of "Volume Control" (such as it is) sound is barely louder than track noise  :)

As well as my own noise sensitivity, with this being an apartment there is the 'be considerate of your neighbors' aspect too.
Title: Re: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: NarrowMinded on September 12, 2009, 06:03:05 AM
Thanks for the Kudo's.  Had I brought it up sooner I would likely not had seen your talent with keyboard diagrams. wonderful demonstration!
:D

NM
Title: Re: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: Alex Butner on September 26, 2009, 10:41:54 PM
Oddly enough I have Asperger's too. But train sounds don't really bother me. High pitched voices like young children's voices hurt my ears. I can't stand smoke as it gives me headaches. (I'm only 17 and I hate high pitched sounds)
Title: Re: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: on30gn15 on September 26, 2009, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: Alex Butner on September 26, 2009, 10:41:54 PMOddly enough I have Asperger's too.
Opens up a whole new world of fun, don't it  :-\
Title: Re: Is there a way to further lower sound system volume in 4-6-0 locos?
Post by: Alex Butner on September 30, 2009, 09:01:48 AM
It does, but instead of model train sounds bothering me, high pitch voices and O-gauge trains with smoke bother me. G-scale doesn't for some odd reason. Maybe because it is light on the smoke or the smoke is not as strong as protosmoke.