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Title: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: chucknlead on April 17, 2007, 08:05:11 PM
Two consolidations being pulled out of the woods after sitting for 40+ years. Pics: http://www.wvrailmuseum.com/wvn280-02.html (http://www.wvrailmuseum.com/wvn280-02.html)


Pretty cool
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: SteamGene on April 17, 2007, 08:22:38 PM
I'd rather see one operating than five stuffed and mounted!
Gene
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: VirginiaCentral on April 17, 2007, 08:35:38 PM
Gene, don't be so pessimistic. Check out the web site. The plan is to restore them to operation!

Jerry
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: jsmvmd on April 17, 2007, 10:39:57 PM
Dear Chuck,

A terrific site! Thanks a million!

Best, Jack
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: chucknlead on April 18, 2007, 12:34:43 AM
For the "Pessimist" Read on my brotha!

http://www.wvrailmuseum.com/wvn280-01.html (http://www.wvrailmuseum.com/wvn280-01.html)
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: Stephen D. Richards on April 18, 2007, 07:42:44 AM
Quote from: SteamGene on April 17, 2007, 08:22:38 PM
I'd rather see one operating than five stuffed and mounted!
Gene

Gene, just a little FYI.  Those two 2-8-0 now belong to the WV RR Museum and are being restored as we speak.  I became a member in October and as soon as I get back home I am going to help with those restorations!  They also have a Heisler that is literally in pieces that needs restored.  They are going to use the Baldwin Consols for tourist excursions on a regular basis, when they get them finished!  Stephen
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: SteamGene on April 18, 2007, 03:26:13 PM
I understand.  That was just a general comment.  For instance, I know of four C&) K-4s, most in poor to deplorable shape.  But I bet if you took all of them, one could be restored to steam. 
Gene
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: Stephen Warrington on April 18, 2007, 05:06:04 PM
We have a couple of 3 truck shays down here in a Mississippi Swamp I don't know if anyone has tried to pull them out or not. One has a pretty good sized oak tree growing up through the water tender on one of them.

Stephen
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: traindude109 on April 18, 2007, 05:59:43 PM
Cool website! Thanks for the link!

We have an early loco sitting down in the river. They pulled it out once while building a bridge over the river in the 60's, digging for the pilings, but put it back in! How stupid. Plans call to pull it back out someday, but not anytime soon.
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: Bill Baker on April 19, 2007, 01:35:50 PM
Ahhh, this does my heart good to see the restoration of an old and classic lady. 

Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: chucknlead on April 19, 2007, 05:10:16 PM
Thanks S.R for your contribution toward those restorations.

I'd like to see some pics of the shays with trees growing up through them! I doubt that they will be resurrected but at least they escaped
the "scrappers torch" ;)
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: Paul M. on April 19, 2007, 09:33:59 PM
Quote from: SteamGene on April 17, 2007, 08:22:38 PM
I'd rather see one operating than five stuffed and mounted!
Gene

So would I, but I'd rather see 5 stuffed and mounted than 5 left out somewhere to decay ;)

BTW,

While they have been sitting in the woods for the last 30+ years, our goal is to rebuild them and have them running in the next couple of years. Once in running condition, the plan is to lease them to the nearby West Virginia Central Railroad to allow people to see these pieces of history actually running on the rails making money for other museum projects
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: RAM on April 19, 2007, 11:27:17 PM
It is a shame that more steam locomotives were not saved.  No prr t1s, no NYC 4-6-4s or 4-8-4.  Santa Fe 3460 cut up.  No Santa fe 2-8-2s, 4-8-2s or large 2-10-2s. 
We have the only 2-10-2 saved and it is one of the small 900 class.
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: Stephen D. Richards on April 20, 2007, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: SteamGene on April 18, 2007, 03:26:13 PM
I understand.  That was just a general comment.  For instance, I know of four C&) K-4s, most in poor to deplorable shape.  But I bet if you took all of them, one could be restored to steam. 
Gene

Gene, 
   didn't mean to make it sound as if I was correcting you or anything like that, just excited about doing some work on the 2-8-0's.  Just wanted to give you a little info there!  Sorry about that.  You say you know of four K4's!  Where are they at?  Surely some museum would be interested in them.      Stephen
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: #94 on April 20, 2007, 09:01:52 AM
I believe the "Steam" Gene ;D is talking about is at a museum . The sad part is many steam locos have had there fate sealed by museums. A museum NW of Lake Michigan is a perfect example: they have purchased or recieved about 8 steam engines , about six were operational when recieved. I believe thay currently operate a Diesel for their tours. All the steam is dismantled, waiting for" your" donations. I do have faith that at least one of these found in the woods Consolidations will operate again, and will be happy. It takes alot of ffort to teutn to steam and a lot more to maintain .
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: Stephen D. Richards on April 20, 2007, 09:19:51 AM
#94,  yep I agree on the museum.  I think these two can be brought to life again though.  I know #9 will be operating within the next year.  However, # 8 needs a lot more attention!  they have had the boilers checked and strength tested and the boilers are exceptable!  That I guess is the hard part.  I actually know very little about steam engines other than their operating principles.  I hope to learn alot about them in the near future.  I think it's exciting to work on them, of course all this labor is volunteer work.  If anybody is interested and lives nearby, they have several projects that need attention.  Membership is 25.00 per year and you have to be a member to volunteer.  Pretty much the same as any RR Museum.  This is ground floor to.  The WVRR Museum doesn't have any real estate yet just locos and rolling stock.  Plans are in the works to rebuild the Western Maryland Roundhouse back on the Elkins Rail Yard!  Alot of neat stuff coming up soon.  Just in case anyone's interested.  Stephen
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: Yorkie on April 20, 2007, 11:42:20 AM
Congratulations on a very impressive savage operation.
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: Sam Clavis on April 20, 2007, 05:27:07 PM
Savage? :o I think you mean salvage. I don't think there is anything savage about rescuing two steam  engines.
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: Spule 4 on April 21, 2007, 06:41:57 PM
Quote from: chucknlead on April 19, 2007, 05:10:16 PM
Thanks S.R for your contribution toward those restorations.

I'd like to see some pics of the shays with trees growing up through them! I doubt that they will be resurrected but at least they escaped
the "scrappers torch" ;)

No photos of the MS Shay, but one in in SC and one under water toward the bottom:

http://www.shaylocomotives.com/surviving/SLc-Survivors.htm
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: chucknlead on April 21, 2007, 08:34:28 PM
Thanks "Spule 4"

Here's a picture of one of those abondoned shays:

http://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/lima/sn-196.htm (http://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/lima/sn-196.htm)
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: Spule 4 on April 21, 2007, 09:03:38 PM
Quote from: chucknlead on April 21, 2007, 08:34:28 PM
Thanks "Spule 4"

Here's a picture of one of those abondoned shays:

http://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/lima/sn-196.htm (http://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/lima/sn-196.htm)

Note the wide wheels for working on "timber rails".
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: VirginiaCentral on April 21, 2007, 09:09:54 PM
"Here's a picture of one of those abondoned shays:
http://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/lima/sn-196.htm "

Hey Mr. Bach-man, except for the wide wheels, this is exactly what we need in Large Scale, 1:20.3 - A two-truck, T-boiler Shay.

Jerry
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: Paul W. on April 21, 2007, 10:25:24 PM
I have to second Jerry's thoughts, I'd love to see a T-boiler come out in 1:20.3!
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: SteamGene on April 23, 2007, 08:23:57 AM
Let's see.  There is one C&O K-4 in Huntington Part, Newport News, Va.  It is iin fairly good shape except apparently one driver axle broke when it was being pushed into position back in 1964.  One is in Richmond, Virginia, I believe now at the Broad Street Station.  It used to be in a small park at the west intersection of I-64 and I-95.  I remember it as being in good condition.  One is in Lynchburg, Virginia, and I hear it is in miserable shape.  The last is in the Illinoise Railroad Museum and you can tell it's a K-4 by the shape of the tender, the number of wheels, and the position of what's left of the headlight.  Other than that, it's awful. 
Gene
Title: Re: Couple of old steamers being pulled out of the woods; literally.
Post by: Stephen D. Richards on April 23, 2007, 11:06:30 AM
Gene, thanks.  I'll let them know.