I'm looking at getting a stem loco but i don't now what one wold be best for me to get um thinking of a small union pacific but i don't now because when i was a littel boy my dad bought 2 because the first one got destroyed and so did the scent one the Neat thing about these 2 was u cold pot this special liquid to mack it look like their was smoke coming out of it like it did back in it prime days if u now tell me please Ty
The best Bachmann Steam engine for the money is the Baldwin 2-8-0 Consolidation (with DCC but no sound). It runs great and pulls well too.
(http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products/images/uploads/51301.jpg)
Here is a Union Pacific 2-8-0 on ebay (buy it now) for $80.
http://cgi.ebay.com/BACHMANN-HO-2-8-0-DCC-TRAIN-LOCO-UNION-PACIFIC-51301_W0QQitemZ200426563514QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2eaa5aa7ba (http://cgi.ebay.com/BACHMANN-HO-2-8-0-DCC-TRAIN-LOCO-UNION-PACIFIC-51301_W0QQitemZ200426563514QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2eaa5aa7ba)
Or these in regular auction format...
http://toys.shop.ebay.com/Bachmann-/19132/i.html?_nkw=2-8-0&LH_Auction=1&_dmpt=Model_RR_Trains&_trksid=p3286.c0.m301 (http://toys.shop.ebay.com/Bachmann-/19132/i.html?_nkw=2-8-0&LH_Auction=1&_dmpt=Model_RR_Trains&_trksid=p3286.c0.m301)
I second the above except for one thing. Get the sound. It's fantastic. I don't know why someone would recommend not getting a sound version. After all it's so much easier to turn the sound off, than to go and have to add the sound after the fact!
The sound version costs over twice as much as the DCC only version. The MSRP for the DCC only version is $139.00, the MSRP for the DCC and sound version is $318.00. (MSRP-Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price). Granted this still hold true with online retailers. With the DCC only version going for $80+s&h and the DCC & sound version going for around $200 although I've seen some for as low as $140-150.
They do NOT come with smoke and smoke may cause your track to get dirty faster, much faster
Sound is a great feature, well worth it in my opinion however it's not for everyone. As for smoke, it's terrible in HO scale, G scale it's great because it can be fan driven which makes it actually look real. Plus the track does get VERY dirty as well. Also I must add, please try to use the spell check button at the bottom by the post button...sorry it's just hard to read.
Quote from: ABC on January 24, 2010, 05:37:06 PM
The best Bachmann Steam engine for the money is the Baldwin 2-8-0 Consolidation (with DCC but no sound). It runs great and pulls well too ...
ABC, your glowing recommendations of this model have convinced me to get one (or two) :D I have enjoyed these on tourist lines. I have a small layout with 18" and 22" radius curves, and also small cars. Penn Line 60' shorty passenger cars as well as Athearn, Model Power and Con Cor 72' models. My freight cars are primarily transition era variety. I can add the 2-8-0 to my SY 2-8-2 which I bought after riding on an excursion behind the (now Susquehanna) #142. At the time it belonged to Connecticut's Valley Railroad and the trip took us over former NYNH&H rails on the Providence & Worcester.
Robert
I now have a grand total of 4 2-8-0s. 2 B&O, 1 WM (that I got for $20 from the favorite spot on ebay), and 1 NYNH&H (but I bought it from someone who took the sound out to put it in another loco). All have DCC and all but 1 are Spectrum.
Quote from: ABC on January 24, 2010, 05:58:53 PM
The sound version costs over twice as much as the DCC only version. The MSRP for the DCC only version is $139.00, the MSRP for the DCC and sound version is $318.00...
Ah, but Wal-Mart and eBay have taught us
never to pay MSRP! I got the sound-equipped version for $189 and I think the sound is worth the $50. I'm just getting back into the hobby after 20 years and so never had sound before. I love it!
Quote from: Colorado_Mac on March 03, 2010, 04:55:51 AM
I got the sound-equipped version for $189 and I think the sound is worth the $50.
Quote from: ABC on January 24, 2010, 05:37:06 PMHere is a Union Pacific 2-8-0 on ebay (buy it now) for $80.
Okay you got the sound equipped version for $189, the DC version can be had for $80 or less, that's a difference of over $110, for example I got my WM 2-8-0 dirt cheap for $20 (DCC no sound), so if you count that, then there a $170 difference.
Quote from: ABC on March 03, 2010, 09:00:23 AM
Quote from: Colorado_Mac on March 03, 2010, 04:55:51 AM
I got the sound-equipped version for $189 and I think the sound is worth the $50.
Quote from: ABC on January 24, 2010, 05:37:06 PMHere is a Union Pacific 2-8-0 on ebay (buy it now) for $80.
Okay you got the sound equipped version for $189, the DC version can be had for $80 or less, that's a difference of over $110, for example I got my WM 2-8-0 dirt cheap for $20 (DCC no sound), so if you count that, then there a $170 difference.
Except that in general few of us are going to find that 80 deal so you 170usd example is invalid. 110usd or so is the coast of a good DCC/sound decoder so that price difference is about right.
I got the sound-equipped version for $189 and I think the sound is worth the $50.
I remmember having a sound equipted Lionel 2 6 2 Engine with sound as a kid Brought back memories for my Dad. the sound is worth it.
Micro Mark has the 2-8-0 sound for 164.95. There may be better deals elswhere. My Bachmann usually come from Micro Mark.
Lex
My point is that if you take 3 to 4 weeks and check ebay and other online dealers, you will be able to find a Bachmann 2-8-0 with DCC for $30 or less guaranteed. Whereas, the 2-8-0 with sound starts at about $150.
For example:
Bachmann HO Scale 2-8-0 Consolidation Steam Engine w/DCC 1 Bid Sold $14.99 +$7.50 shipping
Bachmann Spectrum Consolidation 2-8-0 Santa Fe DCC 3 Bids Sold $30.25 Free shipping
Spectrum HO Santa Fe 2-8-0 Steam Loco & Tender w/DCC 6 Bids Sold
$33.32 +$9.00 shipping Feb-25 18:00
Here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spectrum-HO-Santa-Fe-2-8-0-Steam-Loco-Tender-w-DCC_W0QQitemZ110495932229QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item19ba121f45 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Spectrum-HO-Santa-Fe-2-8-0-Steam-Loco-Tender-w-DCC_W0QQitemZ110495932229QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item19ba121f45)
W/ sound:
SPECTRUM HO 2-8-0 DCC TSUNAMI SOUND TRAIN MAINE 84509 12 Bids Sold $139.53 +$11.76 shipping Feb-24 21:05
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/SPECTRUM-HO-2-8-0-DCC-TSUNAMI-SOUND-TRAIN-MAINE-84509_W0QQitemZ370338319429QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item5639e24c45 (http://ttp://cgi.ebay.com/SPECTRUM-HO-2-8-0-DCC-TSUNAMI-SOUND-TRAIN-MAINE-84509_W0QQitemZ370338319429QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item5639e24c45)
What I am getting at is that any idiot that looks long enough can get a 2-8-0 w/ DCC for under $30 (including s&h), but one would be hard pressed to find a 2-8-0 w/ sound for under $150 (not inc). The price differential is essentially $125 to $130 because anyone can get a 2-8-0 for $20 to $30, all it takes is patience and the ability to be awake at 3 or 4 in the morning.
Quote from: ABC on March 03, 2010, 12:31:49 PM
My point is that if you take 3 to 4 weeks and check ebay and other online dealers, you will be able to find a Bachmann 2-8-0 with DCC for $30 or less guaranteed. Whereas, the 2-8-0 with sound starts at about $150....What I am getting at is that any idiot that looks long enough...can get a 2-8-0 for $20 to $30, all it takes is patience and the ability to be awake at 3 or 4 in the morning.
My point is that if I had waited 3-4 weeks, i never would have gotten back into the hobby. It was an impulse buy at a train show, and I'm glad I did it. As a hobby, it is supposed to be
fun, and bringing that home and playing with it that night was worth every penny. I am restoring a 1968 Plymouth, so I know the ins/outs benefits/detriments of ePay very well, and I know exactly what I can afford. I've never found bargain hunting for the sake of bargain hunting enjoyable.
I suppose "any idiot" could do that, but I'm not that idiot. And if you notice the posting time, I
was awake at 0300-0400 this morning... :D
Well with the tough economy, most people have to try an save money, but I'm glad you are enjoying your loco. And just to be clear I wasn't calling anyone on this forum an idiot. But if price is not much of an object then by all means buy what you want when you want it.
ABC
Relating to a couple of extremely low bids on e-bay certainly can not be taken as typical.
If you bothered to read the ad for the $33.32 you would have learned that there was a problem with the siderods of the engine.
Your $20.00 bid is almost too good to be true. I would like to see a link for that one.
Do not dwell on these few examples as typical pricing.
I recently "won" an auction for the Spectrum 4-8-4 J engine with sound for $94.41. This was totally unexpected and I would not consider it typical by any means.
thefavoritespot's prices almost seem ludacris low, but consider i have about $340 on me, the more I watch the more the person inside wants to go for it D:
ABC -
Not to worry - I was calling myself an idiot, just not that idiot! :D
And believe me, money is usually very much an object, but this was a reward to myself for a large commission check. My wife, who I work with, got a new outfit as her reward.
Also, 02/02/10 was one year since I quit smoking, and I saved over $1,800 last year by not smoking. That's found money!
As far as ePay, I save plenty of money on 42-yeear-old car parts there, but I never have even looked at model trains. The last time I modeled, there wasn't even an internet yet!
Quote from: Pacific Northern on March 03, 2010, 05:29:32 PM
Relating to a couple of extremely low bids on e-bay certainly can not be taken as typical.
If you bothered to read the ad for the $33.32 you would have learned that there was a problem with the siderods of the engine.
Your $20.00 bid is almost too good to be true. I would like to see a link for that one.
I never said whether the bids were typical or not, I just said that in a 4 week period you can find a 2-8-0 for $30 plus s&h.
I got 2 consolidations pretty cheap the WM was $20, the B&O was around $30, one was from the favorite spot and one was from a seller that was a licensed dealer, but is no longer active that
had (no longer has) a brick and mortar store and sold his clearance items on ebay.
But, I did not pay any attention to the engine defect, because I wasn't bidding and just did a quick search, but the other 2 listed before had no defects and were NIB. I will try and find a record of my $20 engine purchase for you, I bought it in 2006 or 2007. I can get a paypal receipt I think...
Here's the receipt in its entirety except for a few personal details:
eBay Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID #6FU01664SV444XXXX)
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Customer Service Email: Favorite.Spot@verizon.net
Total Amount: -$185.02 USD
Fee amount: $0.00 USD
Net amount: -$185.02 USD
Date: Oct 7, 2006
Time: 09:22:33 PDT
Status: Completed
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370090568901 BACHMANN SPECTRUM HO 2-8-0 DCC TRAIN LOCO B&O 83602 1 $34.00 USD $34.00 USD
370090568727 BACHMANN HO TRAIN GP35 DCC EQUIPPED WEST MLD LOCO 60707 1 $7.50 USD $7.50 USD
350104025460 BACHMANN SPECTRUM HO 2-8-0 DCC TRAIN LOCO W MLD 83604 1 $19.00 USD $19.00 USD
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200259026988 BACHMANN SPECTRUM HO TRAIN DCC EMD SD45 ERIE LACK 82712 1 $17.00 USD $17.00 USD
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200259026232 BACHMANN SPECTRUM HO TRAIN LOCO 4-8-2 BLACK 82501 1 $34.00 USD $34.00 USD
190255113730 BACHMANN HO TRAIN GP40 DCC EQUIPPED CHESSIE LOCO 60309 1 $7.67 USD $7.67 USD
Subtotal: $169.02 USD
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Well, I wouldn't touch the sound-or-not-dispute if you paid me. It seems there is way to much heat there already.
However, I will comment on the smoke. Don't do it. The smoke fluid is basically mineral oil which is cooked off. The smoke effect isn't so great and it condenses as a thin residue on everything it touches. That screws up your tracks and, more importantly, will leave a dust-attracting coating on your scenery, rolling stock etc. It's impossible to remove because it gets into everything.