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ok i just bought a new engion house for my lay out but i dont now the best way to have the turn outs to go to it if i shold have a switch/turn out becus i never looked at engion houses be for i want it for the engion to go in to  can some one hellp me plesse  ty

Zach - There are several species of Terns (Order: Charadriiformes, Family: Lardiae, Subfamily: Sterninae) such as the Least tern, Arctic tern and Sandwich tern. You probably are familiar with either the Common tern or the Fosters tern...very common on both coasts of the U.S.

OK...I guess I've messed around with you enough. Zach, do us all a favor and use reasonably correct English and reasonably correct punctuation...you aren't writing a text message. [BTW: there is a neat spell check function at the bottom of the message panel.] I will make a good effort to 'decode' your message.

Generally speaking, roundhouses required the use of a turntable. This has to do with the angle of the roundhouse doors and the incoming track. You mention an enginehouse...a different creature - serving the same purpose as a roundhouse (albeit on a smaller scale). An enginehouse 'houses' one or two locomotives and has (basically) straight inbound tracks. Because of the geometry and number of incoming tracks, an enginehouse can use a regular turnout. Enginehouses were located on smaller branchlines and, as mentioned above, housed a very limited number of locomotives. They also took up a lot less real estate thereby fitting smaller layouts quite well. I suggest you 'Google' both roundhouse and enginehouse to see the differences and the lead in track arrangement.

Good question,
Ray

FYI: Laser-Art has a really nice enginehouse that I would love to build. Unfortunately I don't have the space, on my two micro layouts, for such a structure. Check this (and other kits) out on the Branchline website at:
Ah...so many projects; and so little time.

Jonathan: Great idea of raising a structure with paint sticks. I'll have to try that. Roger the terns...they are smaller than gulls - so modeling them, in anything short of G-scale, would be difficult. Can you imagine painting each little bird?

Ray

I've done pigeons but not terns because it wasn't my turn

Quote from: zachary4179 on January 28, 2010, 06:36:49 PM
ok i just bought a new engion house for my lay out but i dont now the best way to have the turn outs to go to it if i shold have a switch/turn out becus i never looked at engion houses be for i want it for the engion to go in to  can some one hellp me plesse  ty

I read the posting, or rather tried to and thought it was bogus.
No one would really use such poor grammar or spelling today unless it was on purpose..

Quote from: Pacific Northern on January 29, 2010, 04:19:31 PM

Quote from: zachary4179 on January 28, 2010, 06:36:49 PM
ok i just bought a new engion house for my lay out but i dont now the best way to have the turn outs to go to it if i shold have a switch/turn out becus i never looked at engion houses be for i want it for the engion to go in to  can some one hellp me plesse  ty

I read the posting, or rather tried to and thought it was bogus.
No one would really use such poor grammar or spelling today unless it was on purpose..

Naaaaah, he ALWAYS posts like that.

I speak six languages fluently, and another four passably, and English is not my first language, but even I try hard to make sure that I can be understood on an English-speaking forum like this.

As for posts like those put here by the OP, I agree with you - nobody could accidentally spell that badly - IMO he's jerking our collective chains by posting garbage.

tac
www.ovgrs.org

his posts are drying up now that people question it

I don't know, I'd expect better of teenager personally though I can remember the feeling towards English class when I was in High School. The general feeling was "we already know english why do we need the class", in retrospect I wish I had paid more attention (actually that applies to most of high school, though with home economics I wish I had paid less attention... terrible teacher).

An FYI to the original poster, if I saw something like this out of a potential hire I probably wouldn't hire them so if you are a younger guy it would be in your best interests to improve yourself because it could affect your future.

I guess it was my tern to be the gull-able one. Perhaps I was remiss by grouse-ing about some loon's use of the English language...which drives me cuckoo. I will swallow my concern and attempt to follow the cardinal rule.

Incidentally, as an administrator in a past life, I once (OK...more than once) received a resume with 15+ misspellings on the first page! We relegated that resume to the 'circular file'.

I guess I've done enough crow-ing for now. Who is next?

Ray (just another old coot)

Quote from: jonathan on January 30, 2010, 11:23:58 AM
You are a hoot, Ray.

Yeah, quit swan-ning around.  I'm duck-ing out of this conversation as of now.

tac
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This is totally for the birds ;D

Being a teenager myself, I know it is very possible for someone to spell like that as I've seen it tons. I've seen posts on here where somehow no punctuation was used?!? How that's possible, I don't know but it happens allot. Just thought I'd throw my thoughts in there.

In fear of upsetting a few people here I can't help but think this thread may be a little unfair to Zachary. One of the unfortunate things about communicating solely through written words is you gain little or no insight into the author unless they specifically tell you about themselves. It occurs to me that Zach may suffer from some sort of dissability in which case his ability to communicate with us should be commended rather than ridiculed.

I hope that if this is the case he doesn't feel too offended or humiliated and can come back to the forum for help getting the maximum enjoyment from the hobby.

Innocent until proven guilty?

Just my 2c.

Dan

ok u all so im disabeld so i have bad puchuashion and bad speling i sall words like thay sound to me it dont mean u have to mack frount of me at all  and to be anest i think it is quit rude to mACK FRONT OF SOME ONE WHO CANT  SPELL WEERD AND MISS SPEL WORDS ALL THE TIME JUST BE CUS I WANT HELLP ON SOMTHING DONT MEAN U HAVE TO BE ROUD ALL IM  GOING TO SAY THE ONLY ONE WHO SEEMS TO BE HELLP FULL IS ABC AND THAT IS THE ANEST TRUTH . TY AAND HER IS A BIG KISS MY  *** AND  HAVE A NICE ******* DAY 

Quote from: zachary4179 on January 31, 2010, 12:15:32 AM
ok u all so im disabeld so i have bad puchuashion and bad speling i sall words like thay sound to me it dont mean u have to mack frount of me at all  and to be anest i think it is quit rude to mACK FRONT OF SOME ONE WHO CANT  SPELL WEERD AND MISS SPEL WORDS ALL THE TIME JUST BE CUS I WANT HELLP ON SOMTHING DONT MEAN U HAVE TO BE ROUD ALL IM  GOING TO SAY THE ONLY ONE WHO SEEMS TO BE HELLP FULL IS ABC AND THAT IS THE ANEST TRUTH . TY AAND HER IS A BIG KISS MY  *** AND  HAVE A NICE ******* DAY 

Sir, thank you for taking the trouble to explain the reason for the way you post.  If you had done that in the first place, probably none of this would have happened.  We train hobbyists are a tolerant lot, in general, but like anybody else, when we think that WE are being made fools of by somebody who posts the way you do without any explanation, what else are we to think?

Perhaps in your first post, you should have taken the trouble to explain that although your spelling is a little weird, there is a genuine explanation for it, and without going into details that might embarrass you, just say that you have difficulty with a keyboard and leave it at that.

As I said, we are pretty easy going on this site.  My daughter is seriously disabled, but thankfully she is able to use a keyboard.  Others, like you, are not so lucky, but we need to know this so that we can make the right assumptions.

In my spare time, I teach disabled people to shoot - rifle, handgun and bow - and even my backyard railroad is designed to be fully operational by somebody in a wheelchair, like my daughter, so I am not unsympathetic.  However, your final words to us do not do you any credit, and you might like to revise your post accordingly - WE are not all to blame for our attitude - formed in ignorance of your condition, whatever it might be.

tac
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Zachary4179  have you considered having your friends help you with typing in your postings ? English is not a phoenetic language and does not always make sense to every-one because of the way it has grown.   However, it makes it extremely difficult for the rest of us to understand your intentions if we cannot accurately translate your ideas .  None of us are telepathic or probably  wish to be , so misunderstandings through ignorance are inevitable . Sorry about your hurt Feelings  .    John  II

i hop u all have fun

I think we all should be a little less quick to criticize folks on their posts.

I read the post and had no problems understanding what Zac was trying to say.   

I hope this doesn't keep him from future postings.

Larry

why thank you larry for u coment

Zac, you are not the only handicapped person here. I had a stroke, Yampa bob can't see and lot of us have foot in mouth disease.

I also have a turn out related question. I have HO scale Nickel Silver EZ track (gray base).

I have two tracks running in parallel. Towards one end I want to put a #6 crossover and at the other I want to bring the two parallel tracks together at a turnout.

Do I have to use a #6 turnout to connect to a #6 crossover?  What radius and length of curve do I need coming off the #6 turnout to bring the track parallel  so it will be the right distance apart to connect correctly with the parallel tracks running from the #6 crossover?

Also, can I connect from a #5 turnout to a #6 crossover and if so, what curve is required coming off the #5 turnout to get the track the right width apart to connect to the #6 crossover?

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

Dear All,

My assumptions and drawings here were in error. 

Corrections below. 

Hope this helps. 

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik

Klunker,

I was in error in my drawing and my assumptions. 

I will delete the post above.

The main problem was that I did not double-check the "offset" measurement from the main lines of the 2 different turnouts.   

Those with track layout programs or the turnout in front of them can check the offset of the end of the divergent route from the main. 

I am limited to looking at pictures of the turnouts (through blister packaging) and trying to measure with a ruler off my computer screen. 

As far as I can tell, with an average of 3 different measurements, the offset of the #5 is approximately 1.73".  I assumed wrong that it was closer to 2", making the curve impossible.

Our target is 2-3/8" center-line spacing on the #6 crossover. 

The offset of a 11.25 degree 22" radius (half) curve is 0.423"

The offset of a 12 degree 33.25" radius (2/3) curve is 0.727"

2-3/8" - 1.73" = 0.645", which is very close to the offset of the 12 degree 33.25"R curve (44509).

So, try the 12 degree curve with the #5.



The #6 divergent offset looks to be slightly over 2".  The only possible curve is 10 degree 18" radius (44530), which has an offset of 0.273", so it could come close to the crossover center-line spacing when combined with the #6 turnout.  Problem is, the 18" R curve lowers the minimum radius of your layout to 18"...

So, try the 10 degree curve with the #6.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik

ok thats kool

thanks

Joe,

The corrections are what I was looking for and it means I don't have to purchase random sections of partial curve at different radiuses and lengths to try and get what I want.

You've narrowed the choices right down. Thanks for the time and effort. I knew it could be done but did not know how to calculate it.

Geometry and Trigonometry - study hard

I have nine years of college, speak three languages fluently, have edited materials prepared by graduate-educated professionals and am a stickler for grammar and spelling.  And I'm ashamed of those who made fun of Zachary.  It's been obvious from his posts that he is not flawless in English; I thought perhaps he was not a native speaker.  I have to say, too, that I see very few posts on this board with perfect English and spelling, so maybe that adage about stones and glass houses applies.  At any rate, now he's been forced to explain that he has a language challenge.  Nice job, folks.  

I think Zachary deserves our collective apology for judging and ridiculing him (not to mention piling on).  I, for one, am sorry for the way you have been treated, Zachary.  I hope it doesn't interfere with your enjoyment of our hobby or discourage you from staying on this board.  End of soapbox.

As to your problem, you can use a switch for a two-track engine house or even a small roundhouse.  Most of the basic kits I've seen start with three stalls.  If that's your situation, you can use a three-way switch.  It will save you a lot of money and space.

Hang in there, buddy.  There are a lot of decent but clumsy people in the world, even in the HO world.  


I hope this helps.
                                             -- D

Zach, I caught a glimpse of your question before you removed it the other night.
were you looking for one of these?
http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/product_p/rix-628-0002.htm (http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/product_p/rix-628-0002.htm)

yes thank you

I find it disappointing when others try to ridicule others spelling and go completely off-topic of what they're trying to figure out. I work with alot of foreign people on a game server who's owner is FRENCH even and yet sometimes she doesn't get everything right, although most of our players are American and we retain the "English only" rule. My job as admin would be to mute people who tried to single out people who couldn't spell because it's downright mean and ignorant. This hobby is supposed to be fun, not frustrating, so please in the future have respect for others.

I just saw your post. A number 5 turnout will connect to a number 6 crossover. You need the 33 1/4" radius 12 degree curved track to bring the #5 turnout back to parallel. On the straight side just use  the 2 1/4 " straight that comes with the switch and add a 4.5" straight so both ends are parallel and they fit the #6 crossover.