The desire for such an engine has shown up so heavily, I decided to see what might be available, at least as a stand-in, until such an engine becomes available.
IHC is out of business now, but their Southern Pacific-based 2-6-0 strikes me as looking a lot like the B&M engine: overall size and proportions are about right, drivers are the right overall size, biggest differences are the cab, cylinders, and the tender. (I didn't mention that the steam dome isn't in quite the right place--if I were doing this, that would be something I would have to live with, unless the dome is a separate part and easily movable, as on Bachmann Spectrum engines.) Changing these items and a general redetailing job could come up with a decent model, based on the photos below.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1199721796052120656kBILXi
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1199722903052120656iNoSuY
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35033278@N00/2384498829/in/pool-610150@N24
https://udisco.com/hobbies/pics/990511.jpg
I'm not at all familiar with these locomotives, in either model or prototype form, so maybe I'm full of hooey, but I am curious to know if anyone has tried this and how well the results turned out.
For additional reference, should this work out well:
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1199725927052120656NptKIn
Not quite as close as the 2-6-0, but try to find anything else of this general vintage and overall size anywhere else besides brass.
http://trains.arneke.net/product_revues/mehano_ihc/index.shtml
Several of the photos are from this series of pages, which includes some of B&M's other power.
http://rides.webshots.com/album/248777145ocwUSF?start=0
A decent spectrum quality mogul, IMHO, would sell very well. It would fit right in the line up of spectrum engines now, 4-4-0, 4-6-0, 2-6-0, 2-8-0, 2-10-0. It looks like the only missing piece. The B&M moguls were a good fit for the B&M and they would be a great asset to the modeling world.
I'd say I have to agree with that if you make one of those, including if you make them in New Haven as well considering this our club Layout in Canton CT could use a couple of these in our fleet, given the cab style is the same as well, we have one actual prototype mogul on our lines and its a brass locomotive from Samsahoga I believe, I refurbished it back to running condition
(http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs115.snc3/16258_1198872566967_1083090179_30519558_511726_n.jpg)
(http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs115.snc3/16258_1198872606968_1083090179_30519559_5330332_n.jpg)
It's a lovely engine considering its smooth running and excessive detail, its one of the only engines that I take care of that I'm skeptical about weathering considering how beautiful it looks
Quote from: ryeguyisme on February 27, 2010, 03:02:08 PM
I'd say I have to agree with that if you make one of those, including if you make them in New Haven as well considering this our club Layout in Canton CT could use a couple of these in our fleet, given the cab style is the same as well, we have one actual prototype mogul on our lines and its a brass locomotive from Samsahoga I believe, I refurbished it back to running condition
(http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs115.snc3/16258_1198872566967_1083090179_30519558_511726_n.jpg)
(http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs115.snc3/16258_1198872606968_1083090179_30519559_5330332_n.jpg)
It's a lovely engine considering its smooth running and excessive detail, its one of the only engines that I take care of that I'm skeptical about weathering considering how beautiful it looks
If you use it for passenger service, keep it clean and shiny. Good advertizing that way. ;)
indeed it looks nice in front of 3 NH heavyweights ;D
Everyone is missing out with a 2-6-0!
- Many shortlines owned them (B&M Moguls went to Saratoga & Schuylersville, St Johnsbury & Lamoille County, Montpelier & Wells River, and a few others)
- Most branchlines often received a 2-6-0 or 2-8-0, one of which Bachmann already makes, and the other they should make.
- 2-6-0s were often demoted to yard service, and used on mainline local freights.
- Other than freight trains, they were the backbone of commuter trains, and were used on work extras.
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww74/ferroequinologist/Boston%20and%20Maine/bb195.jpg)
Considering how good the 4-4-0, 4-6-0, 2-8-0 and 2-10-0 run, there is no reason why a MOGUL couldn't run as well.
WE WANT MOGULS! WE WANT MOGULS! WE WANT MOGULS! Enough said?
I run the IHC Mogul on the ME&O depending on what rolling stock I use
It has decent detail and runs great
You can find them on EBAY once in a while
Here is a pic of mine
(http://bandb3536.com/260.jpg)
Quote from: uncbob on February 27, 2010, 09:17:53 PM
I run the IHC Mogul on the ME&O depending on what rolling stock I use
It has decent detail and runs great
You can find them on EBAY once in a while
we have about 2 or three of these IHC engines on our club layout theyre pretty decent spite that fact that they don't like to pull much
Let's see how far we can amortize a common mechanism (63" drivers, same as the 2-8-0, possibly with some of the gearing, belt drive, etc.), and a 6-coupled driver wheelbase of about 15 feet or a little more.
B&M:
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1199722903052120656iNoSuY
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35033278@N00/2384498829/in/pool-610150@N24
New Haven (data):
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/mogul/?page=nh
NYC:
http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/NYC1925.JPG
PRR:
http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/prr5099.jpg
SP (several classes, some of them quite large for the type):
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=311139&nseq=12
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/losangeles/sp1765.jpg
There might be others; only real drawback from this list is that the NYC and PRR engines were retired early (like by 1930 or so), which may limit the marketability of these particular locomotives.
Could this help make your case for a 2-6-0?
Quote from: ryeguyisme on February 27, 2010, 09:35:06 PM
Quote from: uncbob on February 27, 2010, 09:17:53 PM
I run the IHC Mogul on the ME&O depending on what rolling stock I use
It has decent detail and runs great
You can find them on EBAY once in a while
we have about 2 or three of these IHC engines on our club layout theyre pretty decent spite that fact that they don't like to pull much
Right now I have 2 40ft boxes--2 40 ft gondolas-- 3 USRA filled coal hoppers and a caboose all weighted to standards hooked up and it pulls them no sweat on a level track
How many cars do you think a Mogul on an HO layout should be pulling ?
Here is the one at Strasberg PA across from the Railroad museum of Pennsylvania
(http://bandb3536.com/str260b.JPG)
Quote from: uncbob on February 27, 2010, 10:00:29 PM
Here is the one at Strasberg PA across from the PRR museum
Here it is on the cover of the latest Railfan & Railroad (April 2010) pulling a photo freight. Nice feature article with many photos inside on the seven out of 25 CN moguls that still exist. They're over 100 years old.
http://www.railfan.com/
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4484652044_f5911ce672_o.jpg)
I have four of these. DCC with Tsunami sound.
Maybe this will inspire Bachmann.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l267/richg1998/Roundhouse%20steamers/2-6-0.jpg)
Lex
Quote from: lexon on March 04, 2010, 05:23:01 PM
I have four of these. DCC with Tsunami sound.
Maybe this will inspire Bachmann.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l267/richg1998/Roundhouse%20steamers/2-6-0.jpg)
Lex
the thing I don't like about these is they're too old timed for me something more 1900's+ would be more suited
You are all right. There seems to me a big push not just here on the Bachmann site, but other sites too. I have to imagine that they would indeed sell well. I know I'd love one!
This one is really 1900, maybe, plus a little despite what Roundhouse says. The older MDC/Roundhouse use to have a 2-6-0 with 52 inch drivers that was more 1885 or so.
The headlight makes it look "older" but it is not.
Also, many, many 2-6-0s and other locos use to have air pumsp on the Engineers side, not the fireman's side in the 1880s.
This one looks much like the high driver, high boiler Kemtron Brass 2-6-0 that Kemtron, now Precsison Scale use to sell some years ago.
With some of the details of the Spectrum 4-4-0 and 4-6-0, this one would look much like post 1900s 2-6-0s. Just putting a carbon arc lamp or electric lamp would change things a lot. Add some cooling pipes on the air pump side becasue the 2-6-0 had super heaters.
The below photo is the older 2-6-0, I bought in 1998. I have two of these. High driver, high boiler, circa 1900. That is the way the MDC 2-6-0 use to look.
They also came with 52 inch drivers.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l267/richg1998/Roundhouse%20steamers/MDCRoundhouse2-6-0.jpg)
Many 2-6-0's of the 1880's where low boilers.
Lex
Quote from: pipefitter on March 04, 2010, 04:52:45 PM
Quote from: uncbob on February 27, 2010, 10:00:29 PM
Here is the one at Strasberg PA across from the PRR museum
Here it is on the cover of the latest Railfan & Railroad (April 2010) pulling a photo freight. Nice feature article with many photos inside on the seven out of 25 CN moguls that still exist. They're over 100 years old.
http://www.railfan.com/
(http://carstens-publications.com/images/covers/Cover_Railfan_large.jpg)
Looks like a different engine
Headlight is different --number is different ?
Strasburg got a real CN headlight/numberboard set back on the loco. It's been like this since at least 2004. None of the CN moguls were in the 900 series, however 91 is under steam at the Middlestown & Hummelstown also in Pennsylvania. I'm guessing based on the number of the loco in the photo, that this was for a special event.
Quote from: uncbob on March 04, 2010, 07:03:56 PM
Looks like a different engine
Headlight is different --number is different ?
Quote from: Guilford Guy on March 04, 2010, 07:20:56 PM
Strasburg got a real CN headlight/numberboard set back on the loco. It's been like this since at least 2004. None of the CN moguls were in the 900 series, however 91 is under steam at the Middlestown & Hummelstown also in Pennsylvania. I'm guessing based on the number of the loco in the photo, that this was for a special event.
According to the article, the loco was built as part of a series 1000 - 1024, class E-8 for the Grand Trunk in 1910. Some were rebuilt to GT class E-12 with superheaters between 1910 - 1923. In 1923 they were transfered to CNR and renumbered 902 - 926. By 1935 the unrebuilt locos had been scrapped and the 17 that remained were renumbered in 1951 to 80 - 96 to clear the 900 numbers for new diesels. So the loco at Strasburg had 911 as its second number and 89 as its third. The loco arrived at Strasburg when it was 62 years old and was rebuilt to its 1910 appearance with the headlight moved to the top of the boiler. For a photo charter in 2003 the loco was restored to its 1950 appearance as 89 with center mounted headlight, front mounted number plate and numberboards mounted where the headlight had been. In a 2007 photo charter it was returned to number 911. That's the magazine cover shot. In 2008 it was re lettered for Strasburg number 89 and the headlight moved to the top of the boiler to appear more typical of the Strasburg fleet. Whew!!! :D
I saw M&H's 91 in the 80's when it had a tree growing up through a rusted out hole in the bottom of the tender. I doubted the small company's intention to have it running again. A running number 91 as well as other sisters are covered with pictures in the fine feature article. Get yourself a copy of the magazine.
Robert
And at this point I sneak back into my corner.
Well that answers my question
Quote from: pipefitter on March 04, 2010, 08:29:29 PM
So the loco at Strasburg had 911 as its second number and 89 as its third. The loco arrived at Strasburg when it was 62 years old and was rebuilt to its 1910 appearance with the headlight moved to the top of the boiler. For a photo charter in 2003 the loco was restored to its 1950 appearance as 89 with center mounted headlight, front mounted number plate and numberboards mounted where the headlight had been. In a 2007 photo charter it was returned to number 911. That's the magazine cover shot. In 2008 it was re lettered for Strasburg number 89 and the headlight moved to the top of the boiler to appear more typical of the Strasburg fleet. Whew!!! :D
The appearance in the magazine cover photo gives it a real family resemblance to the Strasburg's "first" steam locomotive, a CN 0-6-0.
I think it would make a great model prototype, just as it appears in the cover photo: a small engine, thus useful on small pikes, yet with a certain "modern" appearance with the piston valves and centered headlight.
the centered headlight was a feature on most, if not all, of the B&M locos.
Quote from: pdlethbridge on March 05, 2010, 04:30:57 PM
the centered headlight was a feature on most, if not all, of the B&M locos.
i have yet to see a 1900+ B&M with the headlight other than the smokebox cover
I just checked my B&M photos and I found that the 0-6-0's as a class were top mounted. I think they were mostly post 1900.
The 2-10-2's were an odd lot. 3028 was probably the ugliest of the bunch with a above center mounted light. Lots of front hand rails and pumps and other things attached to it. The 2-10-2's with the coffin FWH had centered lights but were mounted about 2 or 3 feet in front of the smoke box.
If you look at my avatar, it is of #443, a 0-6-0 with a top mounted light.
Some 0-6-0s did have center mounted headlights though!
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww74/ferroequinologist/Boston%20and%20Maine/bb277.jpg)
Alex, I just checked my pictures and the preceding units like 445, 444, and 443 all had top mounted lights. Could this engine been in an accident? Also this was the last 0-6-0 I have a picture of.