I've seen tons of requests on the new board (which i love!) and I can't help but notice the fact that bachmann has only 2 Canadain loco's that i know of both of wich are not exactly very prototypical. They are both CNR and i honestly think that bachmann should have a few more than 2. I'm not trying to critisize bachmann as this is my opinion but does anybody agree?
I know i would definatly love to see a CNR U4-a class 4-8-4 as i only know of one company that makes it. it's a brass model that costs over $3000 (cnd), CNR S1-f MIkado or a CPR 4-6-4 royal hudson, 4-4-4 Jubilee or a massive CPR 2-10-4 selkirk
Does anybody agree or have any other recomendations?
I'm not Canadian and would probably not buy one, but the Royal Hudson is a beauty of a locomotive. If there were any way the VT&P management would buy one, when the railroad already has three Hudsons and the C&O frequently sends one over VT&P trackage.
There are abviously a lot of Canadian model railroaders, so there is a market.
Gene
How about these CPR locomotives? DCC equipped and in two road numbers.
(http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/catalog/image/products/60705_thumb.jpg)
Gene pointed out what i think the problem is. there are a ton of canadian model railroaders but hardly ary on the board i wish there was a way to get more of them to use it.
Jim i like the idea! What about a CNR 6060 in spectrum the only company that makes a non-brass model of it it IHC and its not a mass-produced model (and neither is it a deatailed one) That would be great i'd definately get one
Andy, I too am a Canadian modeler. I think that the issue is purely a marketing one. We have a tenth of the population of the US and, by their standards, are probably quite frugal when it comes to spending our modeling dollars. There are some Canadian loco's out there, and for the rest, you'll just have to rely on modifying and heavily detailing some US types. There are lots of parts available to do this - Details by Eric is just one source that comes to mind. There are several companies that make Canadian prototype railcar kits and structures too. Trains 'n Such in Calgary and George's Trains in Toronto are two sources that mail order and both used to carry fairly good inventories of Canadian stuff. Good luck!
Jim Banner.
Neither of the two photos of "CPR" models you showed in Canadian colours are accurate Canadian models.
They are just American models painted in Canadian colours. That's a big difference.
What we are asking for is accurate Canadian models, not more models of American prototypes painted in Canadian colours.
After having my complete Tenshodo factory-painted brass 'Royal Train', with its Hudson and set of nine cars, stolen at a train show a few years ago, along with thirteen other brass Canadian steam locos, I have saved the insurance money in the [vain] hope that somebody would bring out #2860 some time. :-[
Nobody has - in H0. >:(
But Accucraft are offering a live-steam Gauge 1 model for delivery this summer. ;D
Mine will be #41 out of 150. And my order went in within two days of the announcement... :)
The things a guy has to go through to get a Canadian model of ANYTHING these days. ;)
tac
Ottawa Valley GRS
PS - Bach-Man, congrats on the great-looking site!!!
BevBel had the Bachmann speeder, ballast regulator, Shay & a few other items available in Canadian road names. Check with your dealer for info.
Based on Andy's examples, I'd say he's more interested in Canadian steam.
TAC, how did you have all that stollen at a train show? Armed robbery? I'm sorry to hear that.
Gene
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Quote from: SteamGene on February 07, 2007, 10:45:28 AM
Based on Andy's examples, I'd say he's more interested in Canadian steam.
TAC, how did you have all that stollen at a train show? Armed robbery? I'm sorry to hear that. Gene
The thieves broke into our club house on a military base on the 'open weekend', and took away everything that was not nailed to the floor, and I mean everything, including about 1000 feet of track, buildings and all the control equipment too. >:(
None of it was ever seen again, anywhere. :-\
tac
Ottawa Valley GRS
As Andy pointed out and roger echoed, virtually all plastic models in Canadian colours are generic. But aren't they also generic is most or all of the other colours they wear? Is the Bachmann GP-35 an accurate model of a Conrail GP-35? Or a CSX GP-35? I suspect that if I want an accurate model of, say, a Western Maryland GP-35, and I buy a plastic GP-35, I will have to make some changes. Alternately, I might be able to buy a more accurate Western Maryland GP-35 in brass. Either way, I would be in the same position as a Canadian modeller wanting an accurate model of a Canadian locomotive.
I wouldn't mind seeing a Canadian Steam Hudson. They are very beautiful.
Quote from: Trains Again on February 08, 2007, 03:21:49 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing a Canadian Steam Hudson. They are very beautiful.
Gorden - see your e-mail!!
Best wishes from snow-bound East Anglia
tac
Ottawa Valley GRS
Quote from: tac on February 08, 2007, 06:27:24 AM
Quote from: Trains Again on February 08, 2007, 03:21:49 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing a Canadian Steam Hudson. They are very beautiful.
Gorden - see your e-mail!!
Best wishes from snow-bound East Anglia
tac
Ottawa Valley GRS
Very nice pictures! Thank you for the email Tac :-) However, what I originally meant was.....it would be nice to see Bachmann make a Canadian Hudson lol.
i would like to see bachmann show a little more interest in our stuff im sure if they make the correct choice of loco they will make a lot of money of it. i with the b-man would see this topic ;)
Even if they weren't perfectly detailed, a steamer with an all weather cab would be a great bonus. Surely CN/CP and their subsidiaries weren't the only ones to have alweather cabs were they? A 4-4-4 Jubilee would be nice also.
brad
The Royal Hudson, Selkirk and Jubilee all share similar traits. They are all streamlined, have all weather cabs etc. Bachmann used to have a "Texas" in their standard line - upgraded chassis - new shell - Selkirk! Hudson & Jubilee are pretty close cosmetically (except for wheel arrangement). Wouldn't take whole lot of work to spin one off from the other. CN had some nice looking steam power too, but I'm not too familiar with it.
Only accurate Canadian steam I've seen is bra$$ and mostly older stuff at that. I have some Van Hobbies, PFM and Tenshodo examples, but they never ran as well as the Spectrum line does.
I'd certainly buy a Royal Hudson (or two) and perhaps a couple of Jubilee's. The Selkirk's are just way too big for my purposes (or the design of my layout).
Cheers!
the selkirk was not always a semi-streamlined engine. CPR had a normal unstreamlined version as well.
what about a CNR k5-a hudson?
(http://www.ecrm5700.org/images/5700.jpg)
so many locos and so little of them are affordable...sigh :'(
Canadian Electrics...?
How about a CN-Z1 Boxcab or Z-5 Steeplecab or some CN EMU's...
There are non any around???
(http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib016/CN6727.GIF)
It would be a nice addition...
Quote from: lapuce033 on February 20, 2007, 11:17:32 AM
Canadian Electrics...?
How about a CN-Z1 Boxcab or Z-5 Steeplecab or some CN EMU's...
There are non any around???
(http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib016/CN6727.GIF)
Where would you find the portotype?
It would be a nice addition...
Since IHC isn't in a hurry to reply to emails , i don't know what their intentions are about making and issuing anymore CNR green and black Heavyweight 6 axle coaches so how about Bachmann rolling out a set of Spectrum CNR versions of their U.P. cars for example. I have the IHC -Mehano P C Hudson and need some coaches to make a train.
Yes,
Canada is famous for several excursion steamers, and some. If Bachmann made the CP Royal Hudson, Non Streamlined Hudson (2816), and a CNR Bullet Nose Betty, I'd buy all of them and re-letter them for my fictional railroad, however, keeping the paintschemes.
Canadian Nationals 4-8-2's and 4-8-4's could be created out of Bachmann models with modfication, but it would be nice if Bachmann would make one so we wouldn't have to modify locos.
I am american, but I love Canadian Steam.
Loco10
Oh, I also ordered MTH's O gauge Railking Royal Hudson. It looked cool and I thought it would nicely complement the Williams CPR F3 A-A Set I have.
You said, "If Bachmann made the CP Royal Hudson, Non Streamlined Hudson (2816), and a CNR Bullet Nose Betty, I'd buy all of them". I would too, if they were in N scale!
I'd love to see Bachmann make any steam locomotives with CNR or CP livery in N scale. I haven't seen any here in Southern Ontario hobby shops.
If I've missed something, and they do make any, please point me to them.
Stardust
Quote from: North Star on March 05, 2009, 10:24:34 PM
You said, "If Bachmann made the CP Royal Hudson, Non Streamlined Hudson (2816), and a CNR Bullet Nose Betty, I'd buy all of them". I would too, if they were in N scale!
I'd love to see Bachmann make any steam locomotives with CNR or CP livery in N scale. I haven't seen any here in Southern Ontario hobby shops.
If I've missed something, and they do make any, please point me to them.
Stardust
A locomotive painted for Canadian National or Canadian Pacific does not a CNR nor CPR locomotive make. Almost _every_ popular brand, Bachmann, Athearn, Kato, Walthers etc. steam and diesel locomotive painted in CNR and or CPR colours in not accurate. That goes for diesel and especially for steam.
Remember, I wrote "almost". There are (very) few that are reasonably accurate.
I have a Bachmann 484 Northern #6012. It came in a set from Costco. The only thing wrong is the number. From what I can find out that number was a 482. The 484s started at #6200.
Here is the CNR Steam roster for their Northerns.
http://www.trainweb.org/j.dimech/roster/484ros.html
Note to be prototype it must have the Canadian all weather enclosed cab
http://cnlines.ca/CNcyclopedia/loco/diagrams/u-2-ab.jpg
Same thing for the CNR Santa Fe's
http://cnlines.ca/CNcyclopedia/loco/diagrams/t-1-c.jpg
Quote from: Eryalen on March 06, 2009, 09:54:33 AM
I have a Bachmann 484 Northern #6012. It came in a set from Costco. The only thing wrong is the number. From what I can find out that number was a 482. The 484s started at #6200.
Like I wrote "Almost _every_ popular brand, Bachmann, Athearn, Kato, Walthers etc. steam and diesel locomotive painted in CNR and or CPR colours in not accurate."
Sorry to disappoint you but the same goes for this model. Nothing like a CNR Northern.
I'm a full CPR modeller, specifically modern stuff and I've noticed that athearns really the only company selling them. Being that the CPR has so many I think there should be some more sources. So a bachmann AC4400 would be awsome. I also love the CPR selkirks and hudsons, need some of those too!
The problem there is not that it's Canadian, but that it's unique.
Gene
Quote from: SteamGene on March 06, 2009, 06:42:08 PM
The problem there is not that it's Canadian, but that it's unique.
Gene
Agreed Gene.
Personally, I'd never purchase an easily identifiable or unique to one road locomotive, unless I modelled that road for example.
OTOH, if one has a private road, the unique loco could be sold to it. In real life the C&O sold its unique H-7s (simple 2-8-8-2) to the UP and the RF&P as the H-8s came on property. My VT&P buys C&O locos as they come available.
Gene
I have 3 Hudsons. One is an IHC with CN markings , one comes from SuperStore with CN markings and one is Rivarossi streamlined with NYC maekings. I would sure love to have a Royal Hudson with DCC and sound.
Don
Judging from the number of views, this appears to be a hot topic. Up to now, I've only been concerned with finishing my Colorado roster. I just received the 2009 catalog, I didn't see much for CP or CN.
Now here is a locomotive that nobady makes. A 4-4-4. I think it was the CP that had some. I think the B & O also had one.
Quote from: RAM on March 08, 2009, 03:52:07 PM
Now here is a locomotive that nobady makes. A 4-4-4. I think it was the CP that had some. I think the B & O also had one.
The CPR Jubilee was the 4-4-4, a semistreamlined greyhound of a locomotive.
http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_115/c_08511.gif
http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_152/c_08519.gif
http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_152/c_08522.gif
http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_152/c_08521.gif
I would give anything (almost ;D) for an affordable, accurate CPR Royal Hudson in HO. I wouldnt even care if it had DCC or sound, I could install that myself. Bach Man you have the power to make a lot of us Canadians very happy. We would all put you on our Christmas card list!
You might enjoy this site:
http://www.railarchive.net/rlsteam/cpr.htm
Quote from: Yampa Bob on March 08, 2009, 04:27:19 AM
Judging from the number of views, this appears to be a hot topic. Up to now, I've only been concerned with finishing my Colorado roster. I just received the 2009 catalog, unless I missed someting I don't see a single item for CP or CN. /quote]
In HO, SD40-2 CPRail and Canadian national
GP35 Canadian Pacific (2); CPRail (2)
GP38-2 CP Rail
C P Stock Car ,several Canadian grain cars, CN gondola
Canadian National 2-10-2
These seem to be all and you had to have too much time on your hands ;To find them
I wouldn't mind a set of those grain hoppers except they are about 30 years in the future on my layout.
Tom
Quote from: boomertom on March 13, 2009, 03:53:13 PM
Quote from: Yampa Bob on March 08, 2009, 04:27:19 AM
Judging from the number of views, this appears to be a hot topic. Up to now, I've only been concerned with finishing my Colorado roster. I just received the 2009 catalog, unless I missed someting I don't see a single item for CP or CN. /quote]
In HO, SD40-2 CPRail and Canadian national
GP35 Canadian Pacific (2); CPRail (2)
GP38-2 CP Rail
C P Stock Car ,several Canadian grain cars, CN gondola
Canadian National 2-10-2
None of these is accurate for either CN or CP, not even the 2-10-2 as they had Baker gear, different cabs and other detail differences in CN service.
Like I said before, painting a piece of equipment for CN or CP doesn't make it CN nor CP. CN and CP diesels and freight cars differ from their American counterparts in many details.