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Title: Diesel Engines
Post by: phillyreading on March 22, 2010, 11:15:16 AM
While almost all maufaturers are producing stuff for the largest railroads, how about some stuff for the northeast railroads, especially the Reading Company and Reading Lines? Also the Central of New Jersey is left out a lot.

Lee F.
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: cpkoltz2002 on March 23, 2010, 05:10:25 AM
   It's not just the northeast lines.CGW, Frisco,SP&S,MKT,Soo Line could use a shot in the arm also.
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: DominicMazoch on March 24, 2010, 10:21:09 PM
And why not SSW!  Just take a SP body and paint it for SSW!
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: trainkrzy on March 26, 2010, 11:51:39 PM
  How about some GP 30's, don't care much about roadnames, just Williams quality and prices. 
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: Cobrabob8 on March 27, 2010, 06:03:16 PM
I would also like to see some GP30s. They could ride on the same frames  the GP38s ride on. The GP30 is a very distinctive looking locomotive. ;D
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: DominicMazoch on March 28, 2010, 12:14:56 AM
SP, UP and ATSF had them!
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: DominicMazoch on March 28, 2010, 12:16:01 AM
...and UP had GP30B's with s/g for passenger service.
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: cpkoltz2002 on March 28, 2010, 08:15:26 AM
  So did the B&O,NYC,N&W,GN,and the CB&Q.I also think the Southern may have had them also.
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: DominicMazoch on March 31, 2010, 05:16:11 PM
Southern had them in high short hood version!
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: DominicMazoch on March 31, 2010, 05:17:20 PM
An F40 would be nice!
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: jpstrainyard on March 31, 2010, 08:49:30 PM
JP of Acton MA USA writes:

In the diesel category, I would like to see commuter locos, such as F40-PHs, BL20GHs, F40-PHIs (streamlined version of standard F40-PHs), F59-PHIs, Budd Diesel Rail Cars. Also GP class, SD class, F class, "carbody" locos, and freight diesels such as plymouth switchers, NW/SW class, GE class, EMD class, Gensets, MP15 ACs/DCs, S-4s, GP40FH-2/PH-2, MP36PH, United Aircraft Turbo Trains, NYC "experimental" jet powered RDC Budd Car with streamlined front cowling, M10,000 streamliners, B&M Flying Yankee/Burlington Zephyr streamliners, industrial 4 or 6 wheel dockside diesel switcher locos, New Jersey Transit DMU Light Rail Rapid Transit Cars Perhaps MOW equipment, speeders, High Rail track inspection cars, and Trackmobiles.
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: DominicMazoch on April 01, 2010, 12:19:33 AM
WBB does make Amtrak Genesis locos.
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: phillyreading on April 08, 2010, 07:16:26 PM
What about SD-70's in FEC(Florida East Coast) roadname? FEC is only  freight service & runs down Florida's east coast and into parts of southern Georgia.

Lee F.
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: DominicMazoch on April 10, 2010, 12:43:58 AM
When did the FEC go nto GA?  i thought the road onloy ran in FL?  Anyway, there are 2 FEC Sd70's liveries you can pick.  And the Blue and yellow is like the Alaska units......
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: Cobrabob8 on April 10, 2010, 09:35:02 PM
Back in 1980 MPC/Lionel made some nice red, yellow and silver Florida East Coast GP9s which I purchased back then. Maybe WBB will consider some for their 2011 catalog. I think that the ones I have from Lionel are a real sharp paint scheme.
   Cobrabob.
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: 3rail on April 13, 2010, 02:28:28 AM
CobraBob,

We made them before and had them in the line for several years.  Maybe they will reappear in future catalogs.

Regards,

3rail
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: phillyreading on April 14, 2010, 05:08:37 PM
Another thing left out on some diesel sets is a second powered unit, like an example is the F7 AA set of diesels. Would it be possible to offer a set of two powered A units or a set of powered A & B units?
It looks nice to have two or three engines at the front of a train, but you can't pull many cars when only one engine has power. I had to buy a power upgrade kit to add power to an F-7 set of Santa Fe diesel engines, now I can pull 10 passenger cars with the ABA set of F-7's.

Lee F.
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: 3rail on April 14, 2010, 10:38:48 PM
Hi Philly,

That is why we offer the power upgrade kits, so if you want the extra power, you can add it.  Many people don't need 4 motors.  I have a complete Golden Memories Canadian Pacific set F-3 A-B-A and 7 cars.  I run it on my layout on O-31 curves and it has no problems pulling the entire train with a single powered unit.

Regards,
3rail
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: jpstrainyard on April 15, 2010, 10:27:35 AM
JP of Acton MA USA writes,

Quite curious.

I have a powered Williams FP45 diesel featuring 2 motors. Its chassis has all the necessary cut outs and mounting brackets to accomodate its motor trucks. While I currently don't have any Willliams non-powered units, it is to my knowledge that the chassis of Williams non-powered units do not feature the necessary cut outs and mounting brackets to accomodate the motor trucks. This would require that the end user use a dremel (or other rotary cutting) tool and a drill to cut the necessary holes in the non-powered chassis to mount the power upgrade motors, and drill holes for any screws needed to secure the motor trucks to the chassis.  Optionally, the end user would have to aquire a stripped chassis (with no lights, electronics, or motor trucks) for a powered unit through WBB parts dept., install the power upgrade motors, as well as lights and electronics on the chassis, and mount the shell from the non- powered unit on the powered chassis.
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: phillyreading on April 16, 2010, 01:03:27 PM
Hello 3rail,

The question I have for you about your set of 7 cars and only one powered unit, is a this a new set by Williams/Bachmann or is it an older set by Williams?  As I noticed that the new motors run a lot faster than the old Williams motors.

JP of Acton,

I just added a motor set to an unpowered F-7 diesel and what I had to do was remove the truck assemblies and change over the couplers and the plastic steps and bracket plates from the unpower version. I had NO drilling involved to mount the new motors. One of the bracket plates needed to have a hole drilled out just a little but otherwise no drilling or using of a dremel tool.

Lee F.
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: phillyreading on April 16, 2010, 01:15:40 PM
From what I have seen in the Williams diesel engines that I have; four F-7 A units and two F-7 B units, three GP-9's, three SD-45's, the mounting unit fits directly to the frame. Take out the wheelsets with just a phillips head screw underneath and remove one wire on the top side if it has a light, have to remove the top first.
I have re-wired a pair of F-7's to run in one direction only(one forward and one reverse) with the use of a bridge rectifier, as the circuit boards wouldn't act right for me.

Lee F.
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: 3rail on April 17, 2010, 11:04:04 AM
Philly,

My F-3s  were from the from the last production run when the company was still owned by Jerry.  We have not made any changes to the motor specs since then.  We changed motor types twice.  I do not know the exact dates, but both changes were prior to 1995.  The changes were made to allow the addition of flywheels to the motors.  Previous model motors were too tall to accept flywheels.

There are manufacturing tolerances of motors that can have speed variances. Especially if one is at the low end of the range and other is at the high end.

Regards,

3rail
Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: phillyreading on April 17, 2010, 06:49:53 PM
Hello 3rail,

What you are saying is that basically the trucks and the way a motor mounts to a frame have not changed since Jerry W sold the company, correct?
With my F-7 diesel unit I had to almost give it full throttle from a postwar Lionel ZW transformer for it to pull all 6 Santa Fe "el Capitan" passenger cars and 2 unpowered F-7's around the track. I bought a second set of F-7's and used the 2 powered A units to run the train, looked odd because one A unit was a Santa Fe and the other was a Pennsy. That was before I put another set of motors in the second Santa Fe A unit.

Lee F.

Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: Cobrabob8 on April 25, 2010, 07:33:43 PM
Just a question for the Bach-mann...
Is there any chance that WBB can, or would, consider manufacturing some ALCO RS3 diesels? Brand L's aren't all that great and they also make no non-powered diesel units to go with their RS3 powered models. MTH RS3s are over featured and over priced for my tastes. A nice set of powered and non-powered RS3 diesels in prototypical roadnames and paint schemes would be great! I like to run my diesels in two or three unit lash ups. Thanks for your time.
Cobrabob.
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Title: Re: Diesel Engines
Post by: r0gruth on June 02, 2010, 11:50:48 PM
Quote from: phillyreading on April 14, 2010, 05:08:37 PM
Another thing left out on some diesel sets is a second powered unit, like an example is the F7 AA set of diesels. Would it be possible to offer a set of two powered A units or a set of powered A & B units?
It looks nice to have two or three engines at the front of a train, but you can't pull many cars when only one engine has power. I had to buy a power upgrade kit to add power to an F-7 set of Santa Fe diesel engines, now I can pull 10 passenger cars with the ABA set of F-7's.

Lee F.


I have pulled forty [40] cars with one [1] Williams GP7/9.