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Title: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on April 18, 2010, 02:28:31 PM
 Hi I'm new here the message boards but I have been reading recent posts and topics so here is one based off of Sparks reasoning for Donald and Douglas and Chaz's for Duck and Trevor.In previous years BoCo has not really been heard of and wasn't reintroduced like other classic characters in season 12. But, like D&D and D.T.G.W.E. he is a season two Character and was around at least between seasons 2-5 or 6. Although correct me if I'm wrong BoCo had no episodes to himself but made many appearances and cameos like in Edward's Exploit and Jame's goes buzz buzz, and appeared in the background in Escape and Rust saves the day. Then again I don't think there are Spencer based episodes and did Bachmann make him? Yes they did. Daisy had episodes to her self but only 2 or 3 and I highly doubt Bachmann will make her considering she was only in season 2 and a appearance in C.A.E. BoCo stuck around for a couple more seasons after that. BoCo could also be easy to make, just use Chassis from American diesal models, make a body and face and have BoCo in no time.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: jettrainfan on April 18, 2010, 04:38:49 PM
An american counterpart of Boco is probably this unit! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuiJ6k1roRI

Bo-Co stands for the wheel arrangement so 4-6.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasel (and others...)
Post by: PerfectPercy on April 19, 2010, 05:05:38 PM
A couple things to say from me: BoCo was not in series 6. He appeared very little in season 5 (only 1 or 2 episodes). He had some sort of episode to himself (not directly). It was "The Diseasel" because, well... introduction episode  ::).

Daisy was around for a longer period. Where she was in season 3, who knows? She was in at least 1 episode in season 4 ("Bulls Eyes").

Both had faces based off of one another. Daisy was literally BoCo's face with make-up. They should be made as they were key engines in the books and on TV, BoCo showed great importance with Edward and the China Clay Twins.

BoCo and Daisy should be greatly considered for the future. Never forget Duck and Oliver though as there importance is just as great. ;D
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on April 19, 2010, 05:31:50 PM
Seems a lot of Online TTTE users like minority characters.  :P

The reality is very odd when you add up that Boco has only had roles in about 6 episodes. Doing a bit better than HiT characters like Murdoch.


If HiT brings him back in Season 14+, then I think he'd have a good chance of coming out, but for now, it's sadly a pipe dream.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on April 19, 2010, 08:31:41 PM
Quote from: Sparks on April 19, 2010, 05:31:50 PM
Seems a lot of Online TTTE users like minority characters.  :P

The reality is very odd when you add up that Boco has only had roles in about 6 episodes. Doing a bit better than HiT characters like Murdoch.


If HiT brings him back in Season 14+, then I think he'd have a good chance of coming out, but for now, it's sadly a pipe dream.
What are minority characters?
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on April 19, 2010, 09:48:51 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on April 19, 2010, 08:31:41 PM
Quote from: Sparks on April 19, 2010, 05:31:50 PM
Seems a lot of Online TTTE users like minority characters.  :P

The reality is very odd when you add up that Boco has only had roles in about 6 episodes. Doing a bit better than HiT characters like Murdoch.


If HiT brings him back in Season 14+, then I think he'd have a good chance of coming out, but for now, it's sadly a pipe dream.
What are minority characters?
Basically they're the characters who have only had minor roles throughout the series. Examples are Derek, Oliver, Neville, Dennis, Lady, and Diesel 10.

The reason characters like Oliver and Boco don't have major roles is due to the fact they were introduced into the Railway Series late on,  and the stories never put -much- development into their personalities. Britt never did much to help their case, which might be why Gullane (aka HiT) never used them.

Oddly enough most, if not all, of HiTs characters are done for marketing purposes based on cliches...
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: The Chaz Storm on April 20, 2010, 12:48:03 AM
Boco's not happening, sorry to say.  We can only dream...

Regarding Oliver though in Sparks' post, I think would have a chance after or during the time Duck would be announced or added to the range.  Plus Oliver plays a huge role in the series, being the engine Emily had to rescue to recieve her own coaches...
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on April 20, 2010, 08:06:23 AM
Quote from: Chaz on April 20, 2010, 12:48:03 AMRegarding Oliver though in Sparks' post, I think would have a chance after or during the time Duck would be announced or added to the range.  Plus Oliver plays a huge role in the series, being the engine Emily had to rescue to recieve her own coaches...
Sadly that wasn't acknowedged after Season 7. :P

If only it was. But then again, Emily actually gained a personality in Season 8. She was a bland mary-sue in Season 7.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on April 20, 2010, 03:56:20 PM
I'm pretty sure we all thought that Donald and Douglas was just a dream to be mad by Bachmann and I for one thought not in a million years they would make Bill and Ben, but they are making them now arent they? ;) And Oliver you say was a minority charachter? You must be talking about the one in Jack and the pack or you are not watching the real Thomas and Friends. :P
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on April 20, 2010, 05:38:01 PM
Nope, talking about Great Western Ollie. :P


He's a popular character yes, but compared to the cast of engines 1-7 and Emily (some could say Spencer, Salty, and the NG engines too), Olivers significance to the series is shrinking. The reason is HiT is focusing too much on the "Steam Team" and the minor character around them, while other characters literally just fade away. Season 12 was a miracle to the fanbase if I must say so.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: IronOutlaw24 on April 20, 2010, 06:24:14 PM
I think both Oliver and Boco stand a chance...Oliver more so than Boco, though. Bachmann seems to be sticking with the more classic characters from the Allcroft & Mitton years than the HiT years...not to say they won't start producing the likes of Rosie, Stanley, Hiro, etc. I think outside of the parents with little kids who are fans of Thomas, the majority of HO/ Electric consumers of the Thomas world are the kids from the original generation of Thomas who are now old enough that if they still have an interest in Thomas, they'll want the characters who they grew up watching...they'll want the Daisys, the Stepneys, etc. instead of the Billys and Dennis' of the world...just my 2 cents.

Boco, I think would be somewhat logical seeing as Bill & Ben are being released this year. Yeah, he was only in a handful of episodes, but who's episodes was he in mostly? Bill & Ben's. He's probably a few years away from consideration, but I don't think he's as far of a cry as some think.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: therailwayinspector on April 21, 2010, 03:59:29 PM
I'd say if demand was high, Boco would be made!

It's not about how many appearances (but one off's are probably an exception) but how high a demand for a product is. If all forum members wanted boco for example, maybe then Bachmann would see a chance for profit and would make him.....
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: PerfectPercy on April 21, 2010, 04:35:05 PM
Bachmann hasn't necessarily been sticking with classic characters. Emily and Spencer are prime examples. They were even released before Edward!  :P

Derek was less than a minority character. Only one episode... Oliver wasn't really a minority. He showed up a nice amount in Season 3 and 4, even 5. He had his own episode in season 7 even. BoCo appeared a bit less, but all the same it would be nice. Daisy I'm not sure of as she was in few episodes.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: IronOutlaw24 on April 23, 2010, 09:04:56 PM
Valid point...but Season 7 (when Emily & Spencer were introduced) is closer to the roots of the series than what HiT's cooked up...but that's just me. BOT.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: JD417 on April 24, 2010, 02:10:25 AM
also think about this without boco the twins would be on a rampage!  :D
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on April 24, 2010, 08:03:49 AM
Quote from: JD417 on April 24, 2010, 02:10:25 AM
also think about this without boco the twins would be on a rampage!  :D
EXACTLTY!!!  ;D  :D
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: StanierJack on April 24, 2010, 10:24:05 AM
Quote from: JD417 on April 24, 2010, 02:10:25 AM
also think about this without boco the twins would be on a rampage!  :D

That's why Edward is available for your layout.

Guys, BoCo won't be made for a while. You may as well buy the trackmaster model for the face and buy a CoBo kit, cause otherwise you won't be getting a BoCo any time soon.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on April 24, 2010, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: StanierJack on April 24, 2010, 10:24:05 AM
Quote from: JD417 on April 24, 2010, 02:10:25 AM
also think about this without boco the twins would be on a rampage!  :D

That's why Edward is available for your layout.

Guys, BoCo won't be made for a while. You may as well buy the trackmaster model for the face and buy a CoBo kit, cause otherwise you won't be getting a BoCo any time soon.
That thing doesn't fit according to Knuckles.  :P
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: ZeldaTheSwordsman on April 25, 2010, 01:38:51 AM
Another option would be learning to sculpt.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on April 25, 2010, 03:53:25 PM
What do you mean by sculpt, and If BoCo were to come out I would imagine him coming out with Duck and Oliver or the year after.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: ZeldaTheSwordsman on April 26, 2010, 02:16:10 AM
Sculpt your own face to put on the model.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on April 26, 2010, 01:29:47 PM
It's one thing to sculpt, another to sculpt them right.

Reason I haven't tried sculpting yet is because of that; don't think I'd pull it off right. The other fact is I heard the material was expensive.

Adventures on Sodor had the highest quality fan made sculpts I've ever seen though.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: PerfectPercy on April 26, 2010, 10:24:50 PM
Quote from: Sparks on April 26, 2010, 01:29:47 PM
It's one thing to sculpt, another to sculpt them right.

Reason I haven't tried sculpting yet is because of that; don't think I'd pull it off right. The other fact is I heard the material was expensive.

Adventures on Sodor had the highest quality fan made sculpts I've ever seen though.

I love the faces Dan made on AOS. Gordon's surprised face looks TV series quality to a point. It doesn't have the blotchy or messy look to it.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on April 27, 2010, 08:47:03 PM
 What is AOS exactly?, I never heard of it.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: ZeldaTheSwordsman on April 27, 2010, 10:08:10 PM
Adventures On Sodor. YouTube series by Thomas modeller Daniel David Snell.

Oh, and I did say to learn how to sculpt. As in, to practice until you can get it right. ;)
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on April 28, 2010, 03:09:03 PM
Oh yeah I remember him now he did great models like Donald, Douglas, Hank, Rosie, Stanley, Henry, Harvey, and BoCo.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: mclarenman4ever on April 30, 2010, 04:38:18 PM
Seems a lot of Online TTTE users like minority characters.   


i think it has something to do with how rare they are. you kind of get board with seeing the same characters over and over, so when a rare one comes along, and doesn't show up as much, you like it better. personally i like boco. but the chances of him coming soon is very slim. he hasn't been around in a while, so the kids wont even know who he is, the only reason we know him is because were older and were around when he was in the series
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal
Post by: ZeldaTheSwordsman on May 01, 2010, 01:33:48 AM
Well, I've always liked BoCo.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on May 02, 2010, 06:48:55 PM
Fellow Users on Ask the Bachmann I know this thread was about BoCo but I thought I bring up another wish on the wish list to talk about. The Red Branchline Coaches. As we all know these specific coaches appeared in season 2 or 3 ( Can't remember which :P) and were in many CLASSIC Thomas episodes. They were mostly seen pulled by Percy and James sometimes by Duck and Oliver occasionally by Henry and I remember once by Douglas. Thomas was also seen pulling them in " Emily's New Coaches " and have't been seen since. But it appears to me that in Season 13 and up I have been seeing the composite one being pulled. Profitable reasons, while the only small coaches in HO Thomas are Annie and Clarabel, Henrietta, and Emily's coaches. Personnaly I would like some coaches for Percy and James to pull instead of the big express coaches all I see online are James and Percy (Even Edward sometimes) pulling frieght. It would also be very easy to make Litterly all you have to do is paint Annie and Clarbel red and desighn a new roof that is suitalbe but the brake coach could be a challenge but I think Bachmann can do it. ;) Bachmann please take this into consideration for the 2011 range.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: The Chaz Storm on May 02, 2010, 08:22:19 PM
Well with the recent discontinue of the red express coaches from Bachmann I wouldn't be surprised if these two coaches came out next year in 2011.  They would look terrific coming out with an engine like Duck or Oliver if they are announced (Of course with Oliver they would have to include Toad). 

Good idea for sure. :)  I prefer the old season 1 coaches, but I wouldn't be disappointed at all if we got the red coaches for next year.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PerfectPercy on May 02, 2010, 08:54:40 PM
Quote from: Chaz on May 02, 2010, 08:22:19 PM
Well with the recent discontinue of the red express coaches from Bachmann...

I had no idea that they were discontinued. Wow, I'm glad I already have 2 composite and 1 brake...  ;D
Could've used 1 or 2 more though.  :D
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: The Chaz Storm on May 02, 2010, 09:18:17 PM
Yep they were discontinued early this year with the RF container wagon and the six ton wagon.  If you don't have either of them and would want them, get them while you have the chance.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: JD417 on May 02, 2010, 10:31:09 PM
Quote from: Chaz on May 02, 2010, 09:18:17 PM
Yep they were discontinued early this year with the RF container wagon and the six ton wagon.  If you don't have either of them and would want them, get them while you have the chance.


i did i bought another composite coach and on ebay i got 3 six ton wagon's and from hobbylinc .com i got a new edward and 3 RF container wagons!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: mclarenman4ever on May 03, 2010, 04:12:09 PM
do you think they'll get marked down now that their discontinued? id like another compsite coach, but i am not going to spend $30.00, when i could get the green compsite coach insted.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on May 03, 2010, 05:33:50 PM
Quote from: Chaz on May 02, 2010, 08:22:19 PM
Well with the recent discontinue of the red express coaches from Bachmann I wouldn't be surprised if these two coaches came out next year in 2011.  They would look terrific coming out with an engine like Duck or Oliver if they are announced (Of course with Oliver they would have to include Toad). 

Good idea for sure. :)  I prefer the old season 1 coaches, but I wouldn't be disappointed at all if we got the red coaches for next year.
As much as I would like to see the season 1 coaches I don't think they will come out yet again they did make Scruffy and he was only in 1 episode.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: ZeldaTheSwordsman on May 03, 2010, 07:45:21 PM
He's cameoed now and again, plus he's been a recurring wooden railway toy, so people would recognize him. And in that one episode he was PULLED APART. That sticks in peoples' memory.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on May 03, 2010, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: ZeldaTheSwordsman on May 03, 2010, 07:45:21 PM
He's cameoed now and again, plus he's been a recurring wooden railway toy, so people would recognize him. And in that one episode he was PULLED APART. That sticks in peoples' memory.
Where is Cameoed after that brutal "accident"  ::) ;D The newer Thomas fans don't know about him though.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PerfectPercy on May 03, 2010, 10:31:43 PM
I believe season 5 "Put Upon Percy" is an example of his model with the common color of most coal trucks painted on him. The newer fans should know of him if they know of Oliver. I don't doubt that most know who he is.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on May 07, 2010, 04:11:57 PM
I just remembered something!!! The Red Branchline coaches have been seen being pulled by Stanley in Season 12 (Gordon takes a Shortcut) and The Great Discovery I think.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: Anthony P2 on May 07, 2010, 11:57:31 PM
and in season 13's "Tickled Pink"
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PerfectPercy on May 08, 2010, 02:07:16 AM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on May 07, 2010, 04:11:57 PM
I just remembered something!!! The Red Branchline coaches have been seen being pulled by Stanley in Season 12 (Gordon takes a Shortcut) and The Great Discovery I think.

Quite random... What's your point with this statement?
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on May 08, 2010, 08:59:34 AM
Quote from: PerfectPercy311 on May 08, 2010, 02:07:16 AM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on May 07, 2010, 04:11:57 PM
I just remembered something!!! The Red Branchline coaches have been seen being pulled by Stanley in Season 12 (Gordon takes a Shortcut) and The Great Discovery I think.

Quite random... What's your point with this statement?
My point is that Bachmann should make the Red Branchline coaches and I was reffering to a episode with the Red Branchline coaches in a newer episode because this thread is about BoCo and the Red Branchline Coaches.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PerfectPercy on May 09, 2010, 12:59:42 AM
Well I find it that they have a good chance as now the only regular coaches are Gordon's. They are also rolling stock so they are quite easy to make compared to an engine.

As for the discontinuing of items, I doubt they would be marked down as they have become rare due to the discontinuation ( :P). I got one of each discontinued item, but I got 2 composite coaches. The local hobby shop in my area seems to have the red coaches as of now, not sure if I sure get a few more when I already have 3. I also think they have the RF container and 6 ton.

Should I get more? Is it worth it? I honestly don't recall the RF container wagon in any episode and the 6 tons could be taken as the short sided quarry wagons or the lone wagon with an M on the side at Ellsbridge in "James in a Mess."
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: Michigan Railfan on May 09, 2010, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: PerfectPercy311 on May 09, 2010, 12:59:42 AM

Should I get more? Is it worth it? I honestly don't recall the RF container wagon in any episode and the 6 tons could be taken as the short sided quarry wagons or the lone wagon with an M on the side at Ellsbridge in "James in a Mess."

Well, I would, if I had enough money. The more cars the better, so your trains can be longer.  Whenever I go to my hobby shop I always get atleast 1 frieght car, so I have more cars to make a longer train. But, its your railroad, your decisions. ;)
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PerfectPercy on May 11, 2010, 05:35:44 PM
I know that but in comparison to a different freight car. I can get salt vans instead. They are freight cars too  :P.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on May 17, 2010, 05:00:28 PM
I think they could at least kept the RF container wagon, the well wagon is nice but sometimes I want something smaller for my trains.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PerfectPercy on May 26, 2010, 11:07:21 PM
The RF container wagon isn't used in the TV series anymore and it was seen little the way it is. You can still find it in some places. Just because it is discontinued, it doesn't mean there aren't RF container wagons still out there. ::)
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on May 28, 2010, 03:54:43 PM
I do wonder why though BoCo was not seen in season 12 if that was the last season with the models, thats the reson why Duck, Donald, Douglas ext. came back. You would thinl they would not want to waste the models.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PerfectPercy on May 28, 2010, 05:11:16 PM
Daisy didn't return either. Many didn't return infact. Duke? Butch? They weren't seen.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: Anthony P2 on May 28, 2010, 11:09:25 PM
butch was. he can be seen in the background in some episodes/movies (CAE, & TGD)
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on May 29, 2010, 08:30:16 AM
Duke ans Bertrum would have been very nice to see again, Daisy could have easily replaced Flora though.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: GWR14 on June 01, 2010, 07:21:15 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on May 29, 2010, 08:30:16 AM
Duke ans Bertrum would have been very nice to see again, Daisy could have easily replaced Flora though.

werent bertrum and duke the same engine? see bachmann, saving money already!!!
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on June 02, 2010, 08:01:58 PM
Quote from: GWR14 on June 01, 2010, 07:21:15 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on May 29, 2010, 08:30:16 AM
Duke ans Bertrum would have been very nice to see again, Daisy could have easily replaced Flora though.

werent bertrum and duke the same engine? see bachmann, saving money already!!!
No they were not, if you notice on Bertrum he is a darker brown and has darker red stripes. Duke had a lighter brown coat and had a yellowish gold stripe scheme, plus the faces were diffrent. Although I would not be suprised if HiT or Britt at the time used the same model because we never saw Duke again.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: Anthony P2 on June 02, 2010, 08:10:43 PM
i read somewhere that they did, because you're right, we never did see duke again.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: James The Red Engine on June 02, 2010, 08:38:13 PM
Quote from: GWR14 on June 01, 2010, 07:21:15 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on May 29, 2010, 08:30:16 AM
Duke ans Bertrum would have been very nice to see again, Daisy could have easily replaced Flora though.

weren't bertrum and duke the same engine? see bachmann, saving money already!!!

No, Bachmann will not be saving money because Bachmann will not make them.  Narrow Gauge engines have no possible chance of being made by Bachmann.  It's more likely for me to make a Peanut Butter and Bananna Sandwhich in an ice storm than it is for Bachmann to release the Narrow Gauge engines. :P
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on June 03, 2010, 03:10:45 PM
The narrow gauge engines could be possible, maygbe come up with a wheel arrangement that is about the same size as the trolley or cable car wheels and come up with a body.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: Michigan Railfan on June 03, 2010, 04:23:28 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on June 03, 2010, 03:10:45 PM
The narrow gauge engines could be possible, maygbe come up with a wheel arrangement that is about the same size as the trolley or cable car wheels and come up with a body.

And then there's the track issue....
It's just not gonna happen
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: TTTE Wikia on June 03, 2010, 05:12:37 PM
Quote from: Blink_182_Fan on June 03, 2010, 04:23:28 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on June 03, 2010, 03:10:45 PM
The narrow gauge engines could be possible, maygbe come up with a wheel arrangement that is about the same size as the trolley or cable car wheels and come up with a body.

And then there's the track issue....
It's just not gonna happen

I still don't quite understand why not. Bachmann does make N gauge track after all. If some one can calmly give me some sound reasons why it's not likely, I'd greatly appreciate it. :)
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: StanierJack on June 03, 2010, 06:09:54 PM
Quote from: Bachfan on June 03, 2010, 05:12:37 PM
Quote from: Blink_182_Fan on June 03, 2010, 04:23:28 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on June 03, 2010, 03:10:45 PM
The narrow gauge engines could be possible, maygbe come up with a wheel arrangement that is about the same size as the trolley or cable car wheels and come up with a body.

And then there's the track issue....
It's just not gonna happen

I still don't quite understand why not. Bachmann does make N gauge track after all. If some one can calmly give me some sound reasons why it's not likely, I'd greatly appreciate it. :)

It isn't. Too small market for it to be viable in the first place. If you want them, there are kits you can build yourself like I, and others, have done.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: GWR14 on June 04, 2010, 04:25:02 PM
well, most of use dont want to spend $50 on a kit and have it turn out horrible looking. plus, bachmann could still make these trains, just make the wheels fit on the track, and make a bigger body.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: TTTE Wikia on June 04, 2010, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: StanierJack on June 03, 2010, 06:09:54 PM
Quote from: Bachfan on June 03, 2010, 05:12:37 PM
Quote from: Blink_182_Fan on June 03, 2010, 04:23:28 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on June 03, 2010, 03:10:45 PM
The narrow gauge engines could be possible, maygbe come up with a wheel arrangement that is about the same size as the trolley or cable car wheels and come up with a body.

And then there's the track issue....
It's just not gonna happen

I still don't quite understand why not. Bachmann does make N gauge track after all. If some one can calmly give me some sound reasons why it's not likely, I'd greatly appreciate it. :)

It isn't. Too small market for it to be viable in the first place. If you want them, there are kits you can build yourself like I, and others, have done.

How exactly do we know the market it too small, though? I know there are kits, I've looked into them. But like GWR14 said, I don't want to completly mess it up. And I've seen how many times you and "the others" have remade your 009 models. It just seems like sort of a waste to me.

So, other than the market being "too small" (which we really don't have any proof of), are there any other reasons?

Quote from: GWR14 on June 04, 2010, 04:25:02 PM
well, most of use dont want to spend $50 on a kit and have it turn out horrible looking. plus, bachmann could still make these trains, just make the wheels fit on the track, and make a bigger body.

Do you know how horrbly disproportionate those would be? Do you really want a Skarloey Railway engine the size of Percy?
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: Cheeky_ULP on June 04, 2010, 07:18:19 PM
Or how about this; Bachmann doesn't even do OO9 models in the first place, even for real life prototypes.

They're not going to make the Skarloey engines, get over it. ::)

Hate to be mean about it, but I see a hard-headed debate coming if this isn't stopped soon.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: StanierJack on June 04, 2010, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: Bachfan on June 04, 2010, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: StanierJack on June 03, 2010, 06:09:54 PM
Quote from: Bachfan on June 03, 2010, 05:12:37 PM
Quote from: Blink_182_Fan on June 03, 2010, 04:23:28 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on June 03, 2010, 03:10:45 PM
The narrow gauge engines could be possible, maygbe come up with a wheel arrangement that is about the same size as the trolley or cable car wheels and come up with a body.

And then there's the track issue....
It's just not gonna happen

I still don't quite understand why not. Bachmann does make N gauge track after all. If some one can calmly give me some sound reasons why it's not likely, I'd greatly appreciate it. :)

It isn't. Too small market for it to be viable in the first place. If you want them, there are kits you can build yourself like I, and others, have done.

How exactly do we know the market it too small, though? I know there are kits, I've looked into them. But like GWR14 said, I don't want to completly mess it up. And I've seen how many times you and "the others" have remade your 009 models. It just seems like sort of a waste to me.

So, other than the market being "too small" (which we really don't have any proof of), are there any other reasons?

Quote from: GWR14 on June 04, 2010, 04:25:02 PM
well, most of use dont want to spend $50 on a kit and have it turn out horrible looking. plus, bachmann could still make these trains, just make the wheels fit on the track, and make a bigger body.

Do you know how horrbly disproportionate those would be? Do you really want a Skarloey Railway engine the size of Percy?

How do I know the market is too small? I did my own research on why, and it's alot beefier that yours, so to speak:

1. Thomas & Friends is a Kids Range marketed by Bachmann, aka Kader. They are out to use as many existing toolings as possible, hence why you have some wagons and coaches that use existing moulds previously used on british models by Mainline, later Bachmann Branchline. I can imagine Bachmann have no interest in making a product that would more or less make a loss.

2. British Outline RTR is a extrememly small market. There is nothing available off the shelf, and never will be for the forseeable future. You probably don't read up on real modelling, but Roco, a European company, were going to make a RTR 009 loco, A double fairlee (or what you would call a MightyMac in ignorance,) but it never came to anything. The reason? None of their home market in europe wanted a british loco, and hardly anyone here wanted one because they can make one themselves, meaning they can build it to suit their needs.

You do realise that the moajority of the kits were designed for extremely cheap and available chassis that are no longer made? Hence why most of us who model in it have to source elsewhere, and make do and modify what whe get.

To quote a well known OO9 modeller who you have more than likely never even heard of:

QuotePersonally, I rather suspect that in may ways, the attraction of 009 is that RTR is NOT available. I accept that a high quality range of RTR locos would not go amiss, but as for the rest, 009 modelling is the reserve of the kit and scratch builder and long may it remain so.

Looking at RTR 00 locos and stock, they are so good these days that the only thing needed is a fat wallet.
JdF

And you know how wrong you are to argue with GWR14? He's talking some sense. I don' see you complaining about Wooden/Take n Play/Trackmaster making all stock fit one track gauge, and if Bachmann were to do it that way, they would more or less be 0-16.5 models. Would be quite nice too I bet :)

...Case proven I think...

Further reading:

http://www.009.cd2.com/
http://www.009society.com/
http://ngrm-online.com/forum/

And if you don't want to spend $50 on a kit, you won't be getting your ever so precious Skarloey Models any time soon.  ;)
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on June 05, 2010, 08:35:56 AM
Hate to be mean about, and don't take this the wrong way but how did we start talking about the narrow gauge engines if this thread is about BoCo?
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: The Chaz Storm on June 05, 2010, 03:07:13 PM
Ladies and gentlemen....the exact reason why I don't post on here as much as I used to.  ::)

But in all seriousness, I can't believe how far this whole obsession over the narrow gauge engines has gone.  It's best we get back on topic now and discuss the purpose of this thread....Boco and the red coaches.  If you want to have a debate about the narrow gauge engines please take it somewhere else.

Anyways I'm thinking the red coaches seem very possible just due to how long and how often they have been used in the Thomas series.  Both old and new series they have been used consistently.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: TTTE Wikia on June 05, 2010, 09:39:14 PM
Quote from: Sparks on June 04, 2010, 07:18:19 PM
Or how about this; Bachmann doesn't even do OO9 models in the first place, even for real life prototypes.

They're not going to make the Skarloey engines, get over it. ::)

Hate to be mean about it, but I see a hard-headed debate coming if this isn't stopped soon.

A good point, Sparks.

I can get over it, and I'll most likely have to.

It won't be too hard-headed. But I'd really like to know why you guys always blow-up when other users bring up the NG engines. I know you must be getting tired of answering the same questions over and over again, but many of us would like to know why in a calm manner. (And not be treated like we're mentally deficient.)

Quote1. Thomas & Friends is a Kids Range marketed by Bachmann, aka Kader. They are out to use as many existing toolings as possible, hence why you have some wagons and coaches that use existing moulds previously used on british models by Mainline, later Bachmann Branchline. I can imagine Bachmann have no interest in making a product that would more or less make a loss.

Now that's a valid point. I completely agree on this point. But the Bachmann makes special toolings for the engines. And they are the Skarloey engines. I understand where you're coming from though.

QuoteYou probably don't read up on real modelling...

You're right, but that's for reasons that don't need discussing here.

QuoteA double fairlee (or what you would call a MightyMac in ignorance,)

You know this really hurts. I do know what a double fairlie is. They were made by George England (if I remember correctly) in the late 1800's. They can't have buffers because, in real life, they'd derail themselves or what ever stock they were pulling.

^Correct right? If not please let me know. I'm always trying to learn. (Thus why I asked about the NG engines in the first place ::))

QuoteNone of their home market in europe wanted a british loco, and hardly anyone here wanted one because they can make one themselves, meaning they can build it to suit their needs.

Another fair point. I did actually know about the Roco model. I wasn't really sure why it was cancelled. So thanks for clearing that up! :)

QuoteYou do realise that the moajority of the kits were designed for extremely cheap and available chassis that are no longer made? Hence why most of us who model in it have to source elsewhere, and make do and modify what whe get.

Yes I do know. I even know of N-drive, Fleischmann, and the old unreliable Ibertren chassis. Why do you feel then need to patronize the Bachmann forum members who ask about the Skarloey engines though?

QuoteTo quote a well known OO9 modeller who you have more than likely never even heard of:

QuotePersonally, I rather suspect that in may ways, the attraction of 009 is that RTR is NOT available. I accept that a high quality range of RTR locos would not go amiss, but as for the rest, 009 modelling is the reserve of the kit and scratch builder and long may it remain so.

Looking at RTR 00 locos and stock, they are so good these days that the only thing needed is a fat wallet.
JdF

You're right I've never heard of him. But no surprise to me really. I'm still kind of new in the railway modelling scene.

QuoteAnd you know how wrong you are to argue with GWR14? He's talking some sense. I don' see you complaining about Wooden/Take n Play/Trackmaster making all stock fit one track gauge, and if Bachmann were to do it that way, they would more or less be 0-16.5 models. Would be quite nice too I bet :)

Wrong? Wrong how? We were't talking about 0-16.5 models; we were talking about 009 models. If Bachmann isn't going to make 009 models to go with their HO models, as you say and I'm beginning to accept, why would they make 0-16.5 models when they don't make an O scale Thomas range? ::)

QuoteAnd if you don't want to spend $50 on a kit, you won't be getting your ever so precious Skarloey Models any time soon.  ;)

What? Is this the Lord of the Rings now? ;) I never said they were precious, or that I wanted them out right away. All I asked was why they'd never be released. I also asked for it to be explained to me in a calm manner, but that ship has sailed. ::)


Sorry to go off topic like this Chaz. I just needed to, calmly, get this off my chest.

Now if anyone has anything else to say to me, let's use the Everything Thomas thread. :)
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: Michigan Railfan on June 05, 2010, 11:07:46 PM
Quote from: Bachfan on June 05, 2010, 09:39:14 PM
It won't be too hard-headed. But I'd really like to know why you guys always blow-up when other users bring up the NG engines. I know you must be getting tired of answering the same questions over and over again, but many of us would like to know why in a calm manner. (And not be treated like we're mentally deficient.)

We are being calm, no one ever said we weren't  ;)
Were not blowing up, its just that like you said, that question gets asked over and over again. 
It also seems like common sense too, not trying to insult anyone.
Bachmann doesn't make the track, and it doesn't seem like a good profit.
Anyone else think that the Bachmann should make a sticky topic about what they're definitly not going to make? I'm positive the NG engines will be in there.  :)

Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 06, 2010, 03:16:01 AM
ANYWAY, I think that it would indeed be nice if Bachmann made BoCo and the red branchline coaches.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on June 06, 2010, 04:48:37 PM
Quote from: Chaz on June 05, 2010, 03:07:13 PM
Ladies and gentlemen....the exact reason why I don't post on here as much as I used to.  ::)

But in all seriousness, I can't believe how far this whole obsession over the narrow gauge engines has gone.  It's best we get back on topic now and discuss the purpose of this thread....Boco and the red coaches.  If you want to have a debate about the narrow gauge engines please take it somewhere else.

Anyways I'm thinking the red coaches seem very possible just due to how long and how often they have been used in the Thomas series.  Both old and new series they have been used consistently.
Thanl you Chaz for clearing this up :), any ways it would be very nice to get the red coaches made because it seems like there are beginning to be used in CGI, not to mention they have been seen seasons prior to season 13, BoCo on the other hand, I wonder why he did not come back in season 12 considering it was the last season with the models and that's why Duck, Donald, Douglas ext. returned.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: TTTE Wikia on June 06, 2010, 07:06:57 PM
Quote from: Blink_182_Fan on June 05, 2010, 11:07:46 PM
Quote from: Bachfan on June 05, 2010, 09:39:14 PM
It won't be too hard-headed. But I'd really like to know why you guys always blow-up when other users bring up the NG engines. I know you must be getting tired of answering the same questions over and over again, but many of us would like to know why in a calm manner. (And not be treated like we're mentally deficient.)

We are being calm, no one ever said we weren't  ;)
Were not blowing up, its just that like you said, that question gets asked over and over again. 
It also seems like common sense too, not trying to insult anyone.
Bachmann doesn't make the track, and it doesn't seem like a good profit.
Anyone else think that the Bachmann should make a sticky topic about what they're definitly not going to make? I'm positive the NG engines will be in there.  :)

I was referring to Jack in this instance. Not you or Sparks really.

They do make track for them though. 009 and N gauge track are basically the same.

That's a good idea, Blink. But it would be a little hard to do since they could say they're not making something now (Such as BoCo), but then five years later decide to make him. But I agree (Now ::)) that the NG engines won't be made.

Anywho. BOT.

I'd really like BoCo and the red coaches to be made. I think BoCo may have a chance a few years down the line. The red coaches may come out next year though. They did just discontinue the express coaches, so there is a spot for some new carriages in the range.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on June 07, 2010, 05:07:07 PM
Not to be mean but, ENOUGH WITH THE NARROW GAUGE ENGINES!!!!!!!
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: Michigan Railfan on June 07, 2010, 06:08:21 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on June 07, 2010, 05:07:07 PM
Not to be mean but, ENOUGH WITH THE NARROW GAUGE ENGINES!!!!!!!

I second that thought.

BOT.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: TTTE Wikia on June 07, 2010, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on June 07, 2010, 05:07:07 PM
Not to be mean but, ENOUGH WITH THE NARROW GAUGE ENGINES!!!!!!!

No offence, but you were kind of the one to start the NG conversation. And I did go back on topic in my last post. ::)

BOT

Like I said in my last post, I think there is a high chance for the red coaches next year or perhaps the year after that.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on June 09, 2010, 09:26:08 PM
I'm not trying to start anything but all I said were the colors of Duke and Bertrum, two other characters who did not appear in Season 12 with BoCo, then( not trying to be mean ), Everybody else started to post things about the Narrow Gauge engines.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: StanierJack on June 10, 2010, 08:12:06 AM
Guys, BOT.

We really need a staff member just for the Thomas board IMO.
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on June 10, 2010, 03:44:58 PM
O.k. lets all just calm down :P Sorry if I started anything. But, anyways BoCo would look very nice with Bill, Ben, Mavis, Edward and Duck to if he is made. Alos if BoCo is going to made a small quareer set with a shoot, small shed and other things you would find at one would look awsome with BoCo, Mavis, Bill, and Ben. Then Oliver and Duck could puff in with visitors in the red coaches. ::)
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PerfectPercy on July 01, 2010, 06:20:05 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on June 10, 2010, 03:44:58 PM
O.k. lets all just calm down :P Sorry if I started anything. But, anyways BoCo would look very nice with Bill, Ben, Mavis, Edward and Duck to if he is made. Alos if BoCo is going to made a small quareer set with a shoot, small shed and other things you would find at one would look awsome with BoCo, Mavis, Bill, and Ben. Then Oliver and Duck could puff in with visitors in the red coaches. ::)
No offense, but what???

Do you mean they should make a set of the quarry where Duck and Oliver run trains in and out? Honestly, I don't think a set to that extent will be made. The red branchline coaches are an all around need. They are rolling stock. Almost any engine can properly use them on your layout. They should really be made. Duck and Oliver go great together and Diesel does go great with Duck. I don't know about Boco. It is the same with Daisy. As much as I want them to be made as well, there are other priorities first (Duck, the red branchline coaches, Diesel, etc.).
Title: Re: BoCo the Diseasal and Red Branchline Coaches
Post by: PasqualeCS96 on July 02, 2010, 08:04:28 AM
Quote from: PerfectPercy311 on July 01, 2010, 06:20:05 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on June 10, 2010, 03:44:58 PM
O.k. lets all just calm down :P Sorry if I started anything. But, anyways BoCo would look very nice with Bill, Ben, Mavis, Edward and Duck to if he is made. Alos if BoCo is going to made a small quareer set with a shoot, small shed and other things you would find at one would look awsome with BoCo, Mavis, Bill, and Ben. Then Oliver and Duck could puff in with visitors in the red coaches. ::)
No offense, but what???

Do you mean they should make a set of the quarry where Duck and Oliver run trains in and out? Honestly, I don't think a set to that extent will be made. The red branchline coaches are an all around need. They are rolling stock. Almost any engine can properly use them on your layout. They should really be made. Duck and Oliver go great together and Diesel does go great with Duck. I don't know about Boco. It is the same with Daisy. As much as I want them to be made as well, there are other priorities first (Duck, the red branchline coaches, Diesel, etc.).
When I typed this this I was just thinking of things I would like to see, if Bachmann did make a quarry set then of course Duck, Oliver, Red coaches ext. would not be in it. I don't even know why I typed that.