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Title: Help Identafying this
Post by: pcctrolleyII on May 07, 2010, 06:11:02 PM
Can any one help me I.D. This i took it at frankford juncion in philadelphia pa.  Its a trussle with the letter R showing i would like some help with I.Ding the posable railroad it could have been.

http://s684.photobucket.com/albums/vv202/Railfaner83/?action=view&current=SAM_0149.jpg
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Doneldon on May 07, 2010, 06:26:19 PM
I'm not sure what you're asking.  This photo is of a Dash8-40CW and an SD70M-2 crossing a plate girder bridge in an urban area someplace.  This is not a trestle (mispelled in the caption as "trussle"). 
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: pcctrolleyII on May 07, 2010, 06:41:13 PM
i checked the link it leads right to the trestle. hmmm i wanted to know what the R stood for that i seen on a trestle at frankford junvtion in Philadelphia pa.


http://s684.photobucket.com/albums/vv202/Railfaner83/?action=view&current=SAM_0149.jpg here is the link again in case i did some thing wrong the first time. Sorry about that. seems to happen to me alot.   :-[
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Guilford Guy on May 07, 2010, 06:49:18 PM
Reading?

On a similar note, has anyone seen the deck girder in the Ardsley area with "LIONEL" stenciled on the side?
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: pcctrolleyII on May 07, 2010, 06:57:29 PM
I was thinking the same thing but, i could be wrong. No i haven't seen it sorry.
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Jim Banner on May 07, 2010, 09:29:49 PM
Nope, sorry, no trestle at my end either.  Possibly you are pulling that out of your computer's cache.  An R on the trestle could be for Restricted Speed.  One under it could be for Restricted Height, although actual height in feet or metres is more common.

Jim
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: pcctrolleyII on May 07, 2010, 10:17:45 PM
That's could be a possibility
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Colorado_Mac on May 09, 2010, 01:31:53 AM
i see the picture just fine, and in my opinion the "R" is just a faded, partially painted over ad. 
"PENN CENTRAL", perhaps?
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Terry Toenges on May 09, 2010, 11:03:18 AM
I only see two bridges. No locos.
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: mabloodhound on May 09, 2010, 11:10:51 AM
Both links take me to the plate girder bridge; no trestle!   Not sure what's wrong.
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: pcctrolleyII on May 09, 2010, 11:17:53 PM
Its in my album should be the first picture if you can't get it Via link. sorry for those whocan't and maybe.
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Jhanecker2 on May 10, 2010, 07:09:15 PM
That  "R" is white  on black   paint and is on a lower layer of paint that has been overpainted in blue . But that definitely is a plate girder bridge , The rust patterns were interesting , I couldn't  figure out if it was some sort of mural or just rust until I zoomed in for a closer look. John II
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: ebtnut on May 11, 2010, 01:08:13 PM
Given the location at Frankford Jct., I think that it probably said "Reading".  That looks like an old Reading electrified service catenary bridge over the tracks. 
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Doneldon on May 11, 2010, 03:20:24 PM
ebtnut-

Good eye!

     --D
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: pcctrolleyII on May 11, 2010, 07:04:08 PM
Hmmm that ws my first thought but, i fugired i could have been wrong so i let you guys look at it to see what you could make of it. I trust i lot of you know about railroads and this is why i brang it to you guys. ^_^
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: scottychaos on May 15, 2010, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: pcctrolleyII on May 07, 2010, 06:41:13 PM
i checked the link it leads right to the trestle. hmmm i wanted to know what the R stood for that i seen on a trestle at frankford junvtion in Philadelphia pa.


http://s684.photobucket.com/albums/vv202/Railfaner83/?action=view&current=SAM_0149.jpg here is the link again in case i did some thing wrong the first time. Sorry about that. seems to happen to me alot.   :-[

Much (all?) of the confusion in this thread was caused by you continually referring to this bridge as a trestle..its not a trestle..its a plate girder bridge..or just "bridge" would work fine too! ;)
but not trestle..

people kept thinking they were seeing the wrong photo..because they were looking for a photo of a trestle, which you never posted..but you had the right photo all along, you just gave the bridge the wrong name.

this is a trestle:

http://www.donet.com/~paulrace/trains/gallery/denny_trestle.jpg

Scot
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Jim Banner on May 16, 2010, 12:03:00 AM
Scot,
Now you have me wondering.  I agree that the photo you linked to is indeed a trestle.  However, I just look up several definitions of trestle and trestle bridge and what they boil down to is "a series of short bridges held up by rigid supports."  This definitely described your linked photo.  We can see 20 or more short bridges linked together on rigid wooden bents.  The one of the Kelowna trestles that I was on the year before they burned down was a series of steel girder bridges on rigid supports (I disremember if the the supports were wood, stone or steel, but they were rigid.)  Parts of the Chicago El was on a series of steel girder bridges supported on steel supports, that is, on trestles.  This has me thinking that with only one bridge visible in pcctrolley's photo, we cannot tell if it is a trestle or not.  It could well be.  Perhaps pcctrolley will let us know.  And if there is more than one of those girder bridges linked together at that spot, let me be the first to apologize for posting that the link did not lead to a photo of a trestle.

But a trussle?  No.  That sounds more like a garment worn by a herniated lady of fashion in the late 19th century.

Jim   
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Doneldon on May 16, 2010, 02:35:36 AM
Geez, Jim!  I thought I was the only person who knew about trusses.

          --D
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: ebtnut on May 16, 2010, 09:49:47 PM
Don't give our friend PCC too much grief on this.  The guy who posted the original photo link got it wrong to begin with.  The subject is a through plate girder bridge - single span supported by cut stone abutments.  We typically refer to wooden spans with multiple bents as trestles.  The steel versions may also be referred to as trestles, but we more often refer to them as viaducts.
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: pcctrolleyII on May 16, 2010, 09:55:29 PM
Ok the thing in the photo is a bridge its one going from on end to the other. There isn't a series of them. Thank you all for your help on IDing the difference between the two and thank you all for not giving me to much grif. I'm still lost on what the R is for. >>;;
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Guilford Guy on May 17, 2010, 12:42:53 AM
It stands for Reading. As one member pointed out the Catenary is of the reading style, and the R-E-A-D-I-N-G block letters would fit perfectly on the girder.
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: pcctrolleyII on May 17, 2010, 09:05:09 PM
Ok then thank you much.
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Flashwave on May 17, 2010, 10:21:23 PM
I'm no expert, but "Reading" wouldn't be centered on that brifdge unless it goes another two or three panels to the left edge of the picture. And every named bridge I've seen, the name has been centered on the bridge.
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: pdlethbridge on May 18, 2010, 06:53:12 AM
A 10 panel bridge with a 7 letter name would be off one way or the other. 2 spaces on one end and one space on the other.
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Guilford Guy on May 18, 2010, 07:32:58 AM
Yes, and seeing the extra line of rivets on the panel to the left of the R it would make sense that they would put the R in the location that they did.
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Santa Fe buff on May 18, 2010, 09:00:32 AM
Seems reasonable, the Reading was around that area, but it looks like a classic PRR bridge with that old centenary post. Still, could have been Reading.

Cheers,
Joshua
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Jim Banner on May 18, 2010, 04:24:25 PM
Joshua,
I must be a little slow this morning, but what is a centenary post?

Jim
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: scottychaos on May 18, 2010, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: Jim Banner on May 18, 2010, 04:24:25 PM
Joshua,
I must be a little slow this morning, but what is a centenary post?

Jim

Its a post that is 100 years old.. ;D

(he meant "catenary" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overhead_lines#Overhead_catenary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overhead_lines#Overhead_catenary) )

Scot
Title: Re: Help Identafying this
Post by: Jim Banner on May 18, 2010, 10:15:44 PM
The light dawns.  The penny drops.

Thanks, Scott

Jim