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Title: Williams Madison Passenger Cars on 027 Track
Post by: jimmlat on April 09, 2011, 09:57:10 AM
I was thinking of buying a Williams Madison Passenger Car Set, but noticed that they indicate in the specificatons: Navigates 0-31 curves. I was wondering if they would also navigate on 0-27 curves without having a problem?
Title: Re: Williams Madison Passenger Cars on 027 Track
Post by: GTBob on April 10, 2011, 08:32:43 AM
I do not own the 15.5" passenger car you refer to.  However, I do have a WBW 17" FP-45 diesel loco.  I run this loco all the time on my 027 track layout.  The loco has no issues w/ the 027 90 degree curves.  There is a slight overhang, but no big deal(in my opinion).  But, this loco will not work on a Lionel 027 switch as it hits the switch relay cover midway thru the turn.  My guess is you will have the same problem w/ the Madison car as well.

Maybe this info will help.

GTBob
Title: Re: Williams Madison Passenger Cars on 027 Track
Post by: phillyreading on April 10, 2011, 08:09:06 PM
If the switch housing is being hit by the engine, you can use either a K-Line 027 switch or a Ross Custom switch or a Gargraves switch. K-Line switch has a wider clearance between the track and switch housing if I am correct. The Ross Custom switch and Gargraves switch are track level and don't have any clearance issues, adapter pins need to be used when using a Ross or Gargraves switch with other brands of track.

Lee F.
Title: Re: Williams Madison Passenger Cars on 027 Track
Post by: DominicMazoch on April 11, 2011, 01:15:26 AM
Marx awitches have lower switch machines.
Title: Re: Williams Madison Passenger Cars on 027 Track
Post by: phillyreading on April 12, 2011, 10:33:47 AM
A Marx switch may work for some engines and passenger cars but not all. That is why I recommend using Ross or Gargraves switches, as their switch motors are mounted like an H.O. switch machine, totally out of the way.

Lee F.
Title: Re: Williams Madison Passenger Cars on 027 Track
Post by: MAPA JCT on May 07, 2011, 09:18:26 AM
They will RUN on 0-27, but going into a 0-27 curve, the cars will HANG over the track as it goes around the curve. They will not negotiate 0-27 switches either.
Title: Re: Williams Madison Passenger Cars on 027 Track
Post by: gmaneis on August 12, 2011, 06:53:32 PM
Just wondering if the Madison cars have three axle trucks. If so, O 27 might be a problem. WBB semi-scale cars that specify O-27 of course will work, but I would be cautious about using anything on O-27 if it specifies an O-31 minimum. I'll bet they were serious about that measurement!
Title: Re: Williams Madison Passenger Cars on 027 Track
Post by: 3rail on August 13, 2011, 01:05:58 AM
Dear All,

The determining factor most of the time is the switch housings on switch tracks, but the truck pivot also comes into play as well.  A FP-45 will not run on regular O-27 curves, but will run on larger diameters of O-27 tracks.

You may also damage the wire on the passenger cars when running on smaller curves than the recommended size.


Regards,

3rail
Title: Re: Williams Madison Passenger Cars on 027 Track
Post by: DominicMazoch on August 13, 2011, 07:51:07 PM
But if you are running the cars on O-27 PROFILE track, but with a larger radii, that should not be a problem.

Marx did have at one time O-34 track in O-27 profile.

K-Line did have O-27 PROFILE track in 42" curves and switches.