Thanks for this engine and I'm sure it'll be up to the great standard you've set for the Spectrum line. It's an engine that has always been popular with both B&O and other modelers and I hope you are very well rewarded with great sales of this engine. I will be doing my part by purchasing four and possibly even five. Why? Because they are my favorite articulated after the Y6b brutes and the money I had been saving to purchase a brass engine or two with will now go to these engines.
All too often companies respond to what modelers say they want only to be greeted with nit pickers and naysayers. I wanted to be sure you know that at least some of us really appreciate it when a company makes the extra effort required to do something actually new rather than releasing yet another one of the most common models.
Thank you again, Regards
the em1 was the closest thing to a big boy we had on the east coast. i am sure once the word gets out on the b&o group they will be lining up.
Bachmann is one of a handful of major manufacturers that takes forum information to heart. Kudos to that, and providing a product that has been requested time and again. And this is where I sneak in my ploy- B&M 2-6-0s! ;)
I said it before, and I say it again--Whoo--ee!
This is one machine B&O fans have been wanting for years.
Now, she has 63-inch drivers, box-pok pattern--axle spacing will be about 67 inches more or less--all Yellowstones had the same or very close driver sizes, and would have that same axle spacing, although the Northern Pacific's pioneer versions of the type had a slightly longer spacing between a set of axles on the lead engine to accommodate the sliding bearing that transferred the weight of the boiler to the front engine, and this was also in the rear engine in the interests of standardizing rods between the two--and the DM&IR engines also had box-poks--and were also built by Baldwin--and were regularly leased to the D&RGW in the winter, when the DM&IR was shut down due to ice--and the Iron Range locomotives were patterned after a large 2-8-8-2 used by both D&RGW and WP--wonder what else can be made with similar parts out of the bin?
Thank you for this great engine. I will be stopping at my local hobbyshop tomorrow to order one, maybe 2. Hoping for DM&IR M-3 or M-4, I have 40 ore cars waiting for one. Also consider SP AC-9 2-8-8-4, also 63" drivers and similar cylinders. Nice alternative to all those cab-forwards.
John B
WOW! Where did this thread come from.....Bachmanns going to be bring out a Spectrum B&O EM-1 ? Come'on guys fess up ' where'd ya hear about this....
Quote from: GN.2-6-8-0 on July 08, 2011, 09:09:28 PM
WOW! Where did this thread come from.....Bachmanns going to be bring out a Spectrum B&O EM-1 ? Come'on guys fess up ' where'd ya hear about this....
http://mrr.trains.com/News%20and%20Reviews/New%20Products/2011/07/2011%20National%20Train%20Show%20preliminary%20report.aspx?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MR_SpecialEmail_sa_110708_final&utm_content=
Horizon Hobby is now taking orders at $425. Expected delivery is November 2011. I'm sure that estimate is a bit exaggerated.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Reviews.aspx?ProdID=BAC80403
Regards,
Jonathan
$425?! If it had sound I'd think about it... i think i'll wait till modeltrainstuff.com stocks it and its probably gonna be $100 cheaper at least. ;D
I'm happy for you B&O fans, but if that is all that Bachmann is coming out with for HO Spectrum Steam, I'm disappointed. We desperately need a Spectrum 2-6-2 and the Ventura County Baldwin is just screaming to be done!
I hope that this engine meets and exceeds y'all's expectations. I'll just have to hope for a 2-6-2 and even a nice USRA Lt. Pacific later on... :'(
Hey, Steam is King, check out what headlines the New Products flyer--it's not your 2-6-2, but it isn't the EM-1, either. . .I think you will be pleased, as will the New Englanders here.
i really wish i could get one of these but..... a 14 year-old has a hard time getting his hands on four hundred dollars.... give-away? hahaha! nah
I have a strange brain. Someone will mention something, or I'll read something, and it will tickle my brain cells and make them think of or recall something else.
In this case, it was supposedly an additional or add-on order for 2 of these Eastern Yellowstones for a shortline railroad, the Bingham & Garfield. These engines are mentioned in a lengthy article on the history of Mallets by Henry B. Comstock in the March 1944 edition of Railroad Magazine (Comstock was also the editor at the time).
Obviously, nothing actually came of this, but it is interesting that such a pair of modern articulateds were being considered for a short line only 35 miles long! It would be equally interesting to find out what actually happened.
According to what sources I can find, the Bingham & Garfield was a subsidiary of the Utah Copper Company (later Kennecott Copper), and had a main line just over 35 miles long in 1911, running between a mine in Bingham Canyon and a smelting operation at Garfield, Utah. Interchange was with the Los Angeles & Salt Lake (later Union Pacific) at Garfield. Additional interchanges would be opened between the Denver & Rio Grande Western at Magma, Utah, and the Western Pacific at Garfield.
The whole railroad would be replaced by a new "low grade" railroad in 1947, and was listed as abandoned in 1948.
http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/bingarr.htm
Apparently the road had at least one very impressive bridge:
http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/item_v ... SOPTR=3525
Desolate country, and a Mallet:
http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/item_v ... SOPTR=6493
Heavy power on the B&G:
http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/item_v ... X=1&REC=14
Some other photos:
http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/item_v ... X=1&REC=15
http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/item_v ... OX=1&REC=9
http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/item_v ... X=1&REC=13
http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/item_v ... X=1&REC=16
Quite a roster variety for a road with only 5 or 6 engines--so far, have found photos of an 0-6-0, an 0-8-8-0 (which reminds me of a B&O EE-1), and another engine on a passenger train that could be a 2-8-0 or a 4-6-0.
General collection:
http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/result ... ld+Railway
Other photos:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/ ... /bgrr1.jpg
http://www.funimag.com/wordpress/wp-con ... 12-001.jpg
Caption from a history page on the Nevada Northern: "Fireman and Head Brakeman are on the seat box of No. 95 on this ore train that may be adjacent to the Boston spur. Three Bingham & Garfield (Utah) ore cars followed by three 900-series cars and finally another Utah car."
http://history.nevadanorthernrailway.ne ... 95lane.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3269/289 ... 07ef83.jpg
What I found on the replacement railroad:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennecott_ ... _rail_line
Promotional footage for a video on Utah electric roads, including the "new" Kennecott line, interurbans, and a touch of the Nevada Northern:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z7uz7FhWIo
Copper mining in 1952:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjpHRkrr ... re=related
Looks like the mine is worked with trucks today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CDo9uNjFIk&NR=1
More information and other photos, including some in color:
http://www.utahrails.net/bingham/bingham-notes.php
http://www.utahrails.net/bingham/bingham-after-1981.php
http://www.utahrails.net/bingham/kcc-di ... c-loco.php
Have fun--and incidently, does anybody know the story behind these proposed Yellowstones that would have worked for Kennecott Copper?
Quote from: h-man on July 09, 2011, 07:10:43 PM
i really wish i could get one of these but..... a 14 year-old has a hard time getting his hands on four hundred dollars.... give-away? hahaha! nah
Don't worry, start saving up, or you might get it for your birthday if you ask for it :) i usually start out with $100 a year spending money, i usually end up saving up about 300 in a year... till i go to the hobby shop and they have all the good cars out... i walk out with 3-5 cars... and $50-60 dollars lighter... about 2-3 times a year :P
To let you know, im only 15, and i still haven't got a job because of the economy. But like i said, save up. A good way to earn some extra cash is to ask around your neighborhood and see if they'll hire you to do some odd jobs, don't expect it to come fast, but in about a month, you might be more than a 1/3rd to your goal!
jtf-
That's some sound advice.
-- D
to jtf-
YOURE 15!? wow. i rececntly just got 4 freight cars for 17.03. they were used but run well :). my parents definitely wouldn't buy it for me (mom: that's way to much for a train). :-\. my parents also do a chores thing. you do chores, you get cash (half my age in money >:(). it's not bad, but i don't make much. my b-day is coming up here in a few months, last year i got around 240 bucks. all good ideas man thx
-h-man
h-man. Believe me, when you get to be your mother age. You will look back and say "I remember when this cost X$ and now it is Y$. That too much. I can remember when a candy bar cost 5 cent and now it is about a dollar.
Cracker barrel still has candy for 5 cents, good stuff too. Times were simpler back then too, even model trains were.
jtf-
Cracker Barrel may have nickel candy but, believe me, it's nothing like what we bought for five cents when we were kids. That was the going price for regular candy bars like Snickers and Three Musketeers and Payday. And those regular candy bars were larger, about the size of today's extra large or jumbo versions of the name brands. What a country!
-- D
1959.....Coke and pepsi were 10c with a 3c deposit, cigarettes 27c reg.gas 27c a gal premium 30c don't get us started. Oh and Iwas earning $1.05hr ;D
GN-
I bought gas during a gas war in Minneapolis for 20 cents a gallon on June 29, 1973. I remember because it was the evening before I had to drive east to Washington, D.C., to enter the Navy. Gas was nearly half a buck in DC and it shot up to 80 cents during the first gas "crisis" later that year.
-- D
This announcement is a game changer for me.
Thank you Bachmann for releasing this steam locomotive.
I was planning a model railroad based on the new haven between new york and boston. thats now out.
Sand patch or Cranberry grade.... here we come.....
For those that know about this steamer, there is a great old story by JJ Young riding in the cab of one of these monsters in the 1976 winter issue of railfan magazine.
And another thing to add for those of you, like me, that may need some "save up" time, and what i appreciate about the power of Bachmann product .
When the time comes, i know it will not only be available, but also Ill be able to find one. I cant say that about alot of other manufacturers today.
Make plenty of EM 1's guys. its a home run
Here are pictures of the EM-1 that were posted of the NTS. B&O steam fans feel free to drool to your hearts content ;D
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm50/lkemling/4-2.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm50/lkemling/5-2.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm50/lkemling/3-1.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm50/lkemling/2-1.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm50/lkemling/1-2.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm50/lkemling/6-4.jpg)
I wonder which is longer the EM-1 or the schnabel car in the background of the photos?
Quote from: ACY on July 11, 2011, 07:47:08 PM
I wonder which is longer the EM-1 or the schnabel car in the background of the photos?
Hard tellin'. Some of the Schnabel cars are almost custom builds for specific purposes. They can get
very long. Of course the EM-1 is a big baby, too. I'd guess something approaching 120 feet.
-- D
Quote from: ACY on July 11, 2011, 07:47:08 PM
I wonder which is longer the EM-1 or the schnabel car in the background of the photos?
I just ran across this page on information on the EM1
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/yellowstone/?page=bo
I was very surprised to realize that the EM1 is the baby of the 6 yellowstone class locomotives.
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/yellowstone/
According to real life specs... 112.5 feet long compared to 231 feet long. The scale length of the model I guess we'll have to wait, but the Schnabel car appaears to be less than 231'
That 112 1/5 feet refers to total wheelbase of engine and tender; I believe actual length over couplers was closer to 125 or so. Both dimensions are close to those of a Chessie Allegheny 2-6-6-6; both could fit (barely!) on a 115-foot turntable (standard maximum length on both lines), with considerable overhang at each end.
EM-1s and other B&O power in action, with live recorded sound, from the early 1950s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI99Dvpxo2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV0-2xvmguY
No EM-1s. but plenty of other steam at speed in Ohio on the B&O:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbCFdocYkiA
An Allegheny on a table at Handley, W.Va.:
http://www.cohs.org/repository/Archives/cohs/web/cohs-21071.jpg
And a 7600 on a table at Cumberland:
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo7622s.jpg
B&O photo roster, this particular page features a section on the 7600s:
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/bo_steam3.html
While looking for 7600 photos, came across this site with more B&O pix:
http://picasaweb.google.com/IaconoDDS/BaltimoreOhioRR02
Not an EM-1, but a modernized P-7 4-6-2, clearly showing off the blue paint these engines wore after 1940; this modernized version is the prototype for the ancient Mantua 4-6-2, and this and other versions of this class could be made using an essentially unchanged PRR K4s mechanism, complete with the lacy valve gear:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/-uPZwDhmxyPw/Sxk5uVMeYPI/AAAAAAAArAQ/eh4beglT3ds/scan0003-1.jpg
Have fun.
GN 2-6-8-0,
Thanks a million for showing us the pics! Daddy like... Daddy like!
Notice a couple of things that impress me. The over fire jets... on the prototype, there were three on the fireman side and four on the engineer side. Bachmann caught a detail very few ever pick up... including me, until recently. This may be a test locomotive (certain things incomplete). However, they seem to have gotten some of the details you only find in brass.
The other thing I like is the optional sound unit. Keeps the price down, yet still allows for a plug and play option if one wishes to go all the way (and I probably will) ;)
Must have....
Regards,
Jonathan
Ya know, I think this will be Bachmann's first large HO scale steam engine.
And I'll have to say:
ITS ABOUT TIME ;D
Hey, maybe this engine will break the ice for other large steam engines in the future?
Doesn't hurt to ask right? ;)
As noted in that steamlocomotive.com piece, the EM-1's would not have existed at all if the War Production Board had allowed the B&O to acquire more diesels. The B&O had acquired a number of F-T's just before the war, and was very happy with them. The road did get good use out of the EM-1's, running them almost to the end of steam on the B&O. Their last stand was on the line to Sandusky, OH, taking coal to the lake docks. I once interviewed an old head on running B&O steam, and he really liked the EM-1's a lot. He was not so fond of the S-1 "Big Sixes", mostly because when they were rebuilt with larger cylinders the designers didn't change out the injectors. Seems as if at full throttle the injectors could not keep up with the boiler's water usage. Never a good thing to let the water get too low!
Checking the locomotive cyclopedia by Mainline Modeler which had a very nice chapter on this engine the overall length of the EM-1 WAS 125' 3 5/8 Inchs ;D
I'm not into the B&O so I'm not all that excited about the EM-1,
but I'm certainly impressed by the enthusiasm and the
extensive comments about the loco. It's unprecedented.
Bachmann must be really pleased to see it.
-- D
Looks like the N-scale crowd wants one, too:
http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,17516.0.html