Well, take a look at what headlines the new products flyer--and it's not the EM-1! Mogul fans, rejoice:
http://www.bachmanntrains.com/2011_NMRA.pdf
What a pleasant surprise the 2-6-0 is.
I wonder why it will be one of the Standard Line locomotives? If it matches the quality of the Bachmann 2-8-4 I will have no qualms.
I for one will be picking up a few of these engines for road service.
In addition, I will also pick up at least two of these to convert to 0-6-0 switchers, will remove the road (cowcatcher) pilot and replace with a switcher foot board pilot. I notice in the news release the sound decoder is not the Tsunami Bachmann version but a Soundtraxx version. Will try it before I comment on it.
The FA/FB is also a great surprise. Will take a very close look at that engine as well. I wonder if the light boards will be illuminated, that will be the deciding factor. If they do I will buy a least two sets in the CN livery if the green and black is offered.
While I am happy for those who express and interest in the new Spectrum 2-8-8-2 I think it is just too large a locomotive for my layout. I am quite happy with the 2-6-6-2 engines.
Quote from: Pacific Northern on July 09, 2011, 03:05:21 PM
What a pleasant surprise the 2-6-0 is. I wonder why it will be one of the Standard Line locomotives? I for one will be picking up a few of these engines. I will also pick up at least two of these to convert to 0-6-0 switchers, will remove the cow catcher pilot and replace with a switcher pilot.
Yes, a 2-6-0 is good news and I can see the GER acquiring two or three as I've been asking for a quality 2-6-0 for years.
But please, let's use the correct terminology. "Cow Catcher"? That's a "Road Pilot"!
"Cowcatcher" is a term used by the unwashed masses and the media, who know squat about anything. Railfans, modellers and railroaders know that it's called a "Road Pilot". BTW, removing the pilot won't give you a switcher, it'll give you an odd looking 2-6-0 missing a pilot truck. :-) Yes, I know that the real railroads removed the pilot trucks from some 2=8=0s to make them into 0-8-0 switchers but they still looked odd and the wear on the lead wheels of the 0-8-0, due to the extra and unbalanced weight being carried being carried by the lead axle led to higher maintenance costs.
Same as adding a pilot truck to an 0-6-0 switcher, which is what Bachmann did, doesn't give you a 2-6-0, it gives you an odd looking 0-6-0 switcher with a pilot truck.
The Mogul's nice even if it isn't suitable for the Southern Pacific and I'll probably get one of the ALCO S-4's in SP tiger stripe.
That being said, I don't want to appear ungrateful and all, but I'm starting to turn blue holding my breath for a Harriman 4-6-2 (light or heavy, Bachmann's choice). I'd also be very appreciative if Bachmann would start supplying separate tenders again.
Andre
looks like a beefed up ihc mogul..... but fancier ;D ;)
wow It's funny you post this, I'm a diesel fan . And after my 4-8-4 got smoked 3 yrs ago I've been looking at the 2-6-0 . I have read that the DCC version doesn't like the operating smoke unit is that true and would you be better off not using the smoke unit while running the DCC 2-6-0 .Or would I be better off going with the DC 2-6-0 . kind of looking at the one with sound in DCC but also would consider the DC version . Input likes and dislikes would be helpful ....
thanks regards : mark f
5117-
Skip the smoke unless you just have to have it. It causes a
mess and can be especially disruptive if you run track fussy
DCC.
-- D
Smoke? Did I miss something?
Does the newly announced 2-6-0 come with smoke or are we discussing the abomination that Bachmann call a 2-6-0, the switcher with the pony truck stuck on the front?
Looks like we do have a bit of confusion between the current 2-6-0 (which is based on a USRA 0-6-0), and the new engine in the flyer, which is totally different, sharing only the wheel arrangement.
Looks like the strongest prototype for the new 2-6-0 may be from the New Haven:
http://www.railroad.net/articles/railfanning/worktrains/media/MW_19.jpg
Hmm, this was a fairly common locomotive in New England, often with 63-inch drivers; I wonder if Bachmann has in mind the idea of some detail variations to match to Boston & Main engines?
For inspiration:
http://eriksenphoto.smugmug.com/Trains/Standard-gauge/Boston-Maine-Railroad/2510552_SzVCW/1/131823679_GMNED#131823679_GMNED
http://eriksenphoto.smugmug.com/Trains/Standard-gauge/Boston-Maine-Railroad/2510552_SzVCW/1/131823679_GMNED#131823689_VjxMZ
Not a 2-6-0, but from the B&M, and I like the sound. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJbZI1_G5VA&feature=related
J3a-614, When i was young (4-6 years old) i watched the i love toy train series (i still like it, but i got no VHS player :( ) and i used to think they called the flying Yankee, the flying ickkie... why? idk. But seeing that reminded me of it. :D
jtf-
It was the Flying Yankee. So named because it was supposed to be fast (it was), and it ran in northern New England, home of the Yankees. No, not the New York Yankees, just regular Yankee. Like the Yankees and the Rebs in the Civil War or Yankees as in war in Europe. You know, Over there and the Yanks are coming and all that.
Which reminds me, apropos of nothing (especially on a model railroad Inet board), that the frustrated British reworked the Over There lines during the Second World War when American servicemen were gathering for D-Day. They said the Americans were "overpaid, oversexed and over here".
-- D
Kinda looks like the old Boyd Models Green Bay & Western Mogul to me. I'm glad to see something small come out. Seems like only Bachmann wants to produce anything smaller than Super Power steamers.
Roger Huber
Quote from: mf5117 on July 09, 2011, 08:22:45 PM
wow It's funny you post this, I'm a diesel fan . And after my 4-8-4 got smoked 3 yrs ago I've been looking at the 2-6-0 . I have read that the DCC version doesn't like the operating smoke unit is that true and would you be better off not using the smoke unit while running the DCC 2-6-0 .Or would I be better off going with the DC 2-6-0 . kind of looking at the one with sound in DCC but also would consider the DC version . Input likes and dislikes would be helpful ....
thanks regards : mark f
The 2-6-0 being discussed is not the 2-6-0 to which you are referring. You are referring to a very old product,
Now, having said that I wonder if Bachmann will phase out their old URSA based 0-6-0/2-6-0/2-6-2 varieties?
so maybe I should wait or just get one to have one ....
Old Line's comments about the Green Bay & Western engine sent me looking, and while it has some similarities, it looks to be an overall smaller engine--though still a neat prototype for those whose tastes run to more modest locomotives:
http://www.greenbayroute.com/191653.htm
While looking for the Green Bay engine, I came across this one, a Pittsburgh product for a shortline in Michigan:
http://www.railroadmichigan.com/ejssteam.jpg
Other links in regard to railway preservation there:
http://www.railroadmichigan.com/eastjordan.html
http://www.railroadmichigan.com/steam.html
Have fun.
It does sort of look like the old IHC Mogul. I wonder whether there will be an unlettered version? It could make a nice companion engine to my Richmond American.
I guess some people will buy anything with "Pennsylvania" on it, even if it doesn't look anything like a Pennsylvania engine.
considering even i have an 0-6-0, i don't think their 0-6-0 will die. the varients? probly. ;)
I think that the new 2-6-0 is based in the GBW 56/256 based on the photo link ...
http://www.pbase.com/tracktime/image/136311296
I compared this to the John Campbell Photos and the drawings in the MR Cyclopedia Vol 1 - Steam Locomotives (drawing 19 page 46)and the model is very similar to the 56/256 before the 1939 rebuilding.
The engineers side of the model appears to be an exact match to that of the builders photo in the Cyclopedia. The tender, cab, dome placement, unevenly spaced drivers, valve gear, piston valve cylinders, running board, headlight, bell placement, cab placement, sand pipe, and brake gear appear the match between the model and photo
The only difference that I see is the type and placement of the air pumps on the fireman's side.
Too much of the details match for it not to be based on the late GBW 2-6-0's.
I am a very happy Green Bay and Western fan and modeler.
It's fun to speculate about the prototype for Bachmann's new Mogul but let's keep something in mind: the appearance of prototype steam engines was dynamic in the extreme. We can realistically talk about prototypes only in terms of how a given locomotive looked/ran/was equipped at a specific time in a specific place. Railroads modified their steam locos extensively, sometimes even before they were delivered. I know that this drives rivet counters nuts and that they, in turn, feel licensed to point out to us that we have an extra paint drip above the running boards where the second boiler wrapper sheet meets the third boiler wrapper sheet. We non-RCs, of course, then feel permitted to invite them to get lost. So the whole prototype thing just causes trouble. Let's all celebrate that Bachmann has given us a fine new model which many of us will enjoy on our home pikes.
-- D
witcl, where did you find a picture of the engineers side of the model.
Here is an image of the engineer's side of the Alco 2-6-0 model:
http://www.pbase.com/tracktime/image/136311296/large
Here is an image of the engineer's side of GBW 2-6-0 #56 (later #256) built by Alco (Schenectady) November 1924:
http://www.greenbayroute.com/56build3.jpg
I personally can't wait to get one of these engines. And see a picture of the engine in each road name. As far as engines go, I am a loyal Bachmann engine owner.
The funny thing is the fact the Canadian National version have roadnumbers that doesn't match at all this class of locomotive. That said, this model will be a close prototype to the real engines they did have, so for the price and the quality and some renumbering job, they will make an excellent start for a nice project. It's getting interesting to see that Bachmann issued "classic" steam locomotive arrangements that can be superdetailled and stand in for many other prototype. And when you think Alco, MLW isn't very far which is quite good for canadian modelers.
Matt
Quote from: Matlac on July 18, 2011, 11:55:01 PM
The funny thing is the fact the Canadian National version have roadnumbers that doesn't match at all this class of locomotive. That said, this model will be a close prototype to the real engines they did have, so for the price and the quality and some renumbering job, they will make an excellent start for a nice project. It's getting interesting to see that Bachmann issued "classic" steam locomotive arrangements that can be superdetailled and stand in for many other prototype. And when you think Alco, MLW isn't very far which is quite good for canadian modelers.
Matt
True the CN version doesn't have a prototypical road number but, again it would be very easy to reletter it for one of the class that the CN had. And Montreal Locomotive works has been called the Canadian brother of the American Locomotive Company. I live in Minnesota so I am Partial to ALCo, but they shared a lot of locomotive designs. A lot of them were modified to suit the Canadian Market though they were a common design.
Quote from: Matlac on July 18, 2011, 11:55:01 PM
The funny thing is the fact the Canadian National version have roadnumbers that doesn't match at all this class of locomotive. That said, this model will be a close prototype to the real engines they did have, so for the price and the quality and some renumbering job, they will make an excellent start for a nice project. It's getting interesting to see that Bachmann issued "classic" steam locomotive arrangements that can be superdetailled and stand in for many other prototype. And when you think Alco, MLW isn't very far which is quite good for canadian modelers.
Matt
I checked and the CNR 6000 series was the CN Mountains.
The 2-6-0's were # in the mid 80's - 90/s (two digits) and the bulk of them in the # 400-550 (3 digits)
i want to get the schnabel car. i've wanted 1 since 2 years ago when i first heard about them
I'm really happy about the 2-6-0 as I've been needing one for a while. I noticed from the flyer that all models are decorated; will there be an unlettered version coming out? That would be perfect for me.....
Thanks!
Yup, Mark, those are the photos that I used for my comparison.
Wictl
Quote from: Mark Mathu on July 15, 2011, 07:52:35 PM
Here is an image of the engineer's side of the Alco 2-6-0 model:
http://www.pbase.com/tracktime/image/136311296/large
Here is an image of the engineer's side of GBW 2-6-0 #56 (later #256) built by Alco (Schenectady) November 1924:
http://www.greenbayroute.com/56build3.jpg
at a $150 MSRP for the mogul with sound, that means my shop will be able to buy a good shipment of them and you know I'm definitely picking up alot of these for personal and club use :) I am very glad to see this new offering from bachmann. The next great thing is a deeper plunge into heavy steam locomotives, that being said maybe competitors will go the plunge as well.
When I saw that Bachmann was coming out with a Alco 2-6-0 lettered for the ATSF I thought that all right, accept the Santa Fe didn't have any Alco 2-6-0. I checked and I was wrong. They had two that came from the Arkansas Vally. They had 57 inch drivers and were numbered 503-504. The only picture is of the fireman's side and it looks like the model.
I agree that if Bachmann followed your advice they would certainly have a high demand engine.
However, if they just release what they show they will still have a high demand locomotive. Would be nice if they did a couple of versions, with different headlights and tenders.
I don't see anything about the new 2-6-0 that looks like the IHC model, or SP 2-6-0.
Quote from: Pacific Northern on July 20, 2011, 01:49:58 AM
I checked and the CNR 6000 series was the CN Mountains.
The 2-6-0's were # in the mid 80's - 90/s (two digits) and the bulk of them in the # 400-550 (3 digits)
I do believe the Strasburg Rail Road's #89 was a CNR engine.
Quote from: ryeguyisme on July 23, 2011, 06:34:21 PM
at a $150 MSRP for the mogul with sound, that means my shop will be able to buy a good shipment of them and you know I'm definitely picking up alot of these for personal and club use :) I am very glad to see this new offering from bachmann. The next great thing is a deeper plunge into heavy steam locomotives, that being said maybe competitors will go the plunge as well.
On facebook I had suggested to Bachmann that they make another steam engine as a standard line engine with DCC and Sound, and it just so happens to be another ALCo engine. The Milwaukee Road's S-3 Class 4-8-4's numbered 260-269.