Yesterday I bought the DVD at target & I watched it here are the pros & cons.
-Pros-
*Less rhyming
*Percy is the main star While thomas is the supporting star
*CGI welsworth
*Diesel 10 being the villain
*Stanleys USA voice
-Cons-
*No explanation of the fire
*The diesels playing around in the steam works
*Percy being stupid(Like everyone else) rather than accident prone
*Sidney apearing in three shots
*The diesel works not being off limits while it's abandonned
*No scene with Diesel 10 cleaning the mess he made at the steamworks along with kevin bossing him around(Acording to the golden book)
*Stanley appearing for about 20 seconds
*No use of other diesels
*Sir topham hatt claiming that "None of my engines is ever forgotten" when obviously a lot of engines ARE forgotten
*Worst of all..NO SUSPENSE!!!
-Overall:This movie is not as good as I expect it to be nor as bad.
Luckily I did a re-write months before the release right here:http://clearwatermk2.deviantart.com/#/d3nchqr I'll do a 2nd draft if you like. ;D Right then...Stay clear everybody!
The fire was explained. It was caused when Diesel 10 clenched Pinchy when he was angry at Percy. It says in the narration "Sparks Flew" and then there is a close up pf embers burning because of it. The movies was not as bad as I expected however, cant wait until the new writing style in Season 17!. ;D
not what I was expecting. Movie really wasn't that good. Seeemed to be no suspense, but the best character was happy hook in my opinion, HANDS DOWN! ;D
I liked the movie the only saving grace was Diesel 10 being a villian
Quote from: thomasj219 on September 10, 2011, 04:01:07 PM
The fire was explained. It was caused when Diesel 10 clenched Pinchy when he was angry at Percy. It says in the narration "Sparks Flew" and then there is a close up pf embers burning because of it. The movies was not as bad as I expected however, cant wait until the new writing style in Season 17!. ;D
I ment the fire at the begining. >:(
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on September 10, 2011, 04:32:49 PM
I just watched it, what STH said about none of the engines being forgotten made me kinda peeved. Maybe there is a delted scene with Duck, D&D, B&B, Olliver and Stepeny...oh wait they dont exist anymore in HiT land.
Season 12 would like a word with you.
The Dieselworks was never abandoned, it was just run down.
In my opinion I'd give the movie a...B+
WHY?
It did hit the main idea of having a Day that the Diesels took over. They took over the SteamWorks and got there message heard. It goes quite deeper if you think about it. Maybe Sydney was put there to see if anyone would notice, maybe Diesel 10 purposely used because he was "Silly" (or should I say quite simply idiotic) (And he was willing to anything for a friend), MAYBE I'm giving HiT tooo much credit. Anyway even though I still feel Flynn would have been a better road character, thats not the point, the plot was excellent...the way it was written could have been tweaked...and they could have used Stanley, Charlie, and Emily more...OORR...throw in Stepney, Oliver, or Duck in for a cameo....I had my standard's set low on the movie and it did pass my expectations...HOPEFULLY the movie in 2014 can get an A+ but until then I found the movie enjoyable and unlike CleanWtaerMK2 it did have suspense...
Final Verdict: (changed to): B-
I think this was the best CGI special. it was awesome because the movie revolved around Percy! finally a special that doesn't revolve around the blue twerp. AND the dialogue! dialogue was the best, like how Dart talks ex: "That's a joke.... (laughs) i like jokes" "I am bashed and battered! I've asked...... and i've asked.... we need a new crane, instead of ol' 'appy 'ook, 'ere" and how we hear workman talking in the background ex: "we need more water!" "look, there's the new fire engine!" i thought it was great up till STH arrived at the Steamworks. when i first heard about the story line i thought "cool fire, thomas is taken hostage, and diesels take over the Steamworks" but why would the diesels take over the Steamworks? so the steam engines won't get fixed, and the diesels take over the whole North Western Railway and destroy all awesomeness of the island of sodor and life as we know it? no, the diesels just want a new Dieselworks. :P putting all diferences aside reminds me of another movie *cough* *Calling All Engines* *cough* *cough* beside all the flaws it really made up for such awesome camera shots thanks to Greg Tiernan! i give it a 10/10 i have to say it was a special, special. :P
Quote from: Sparks on September 10, 2011, 05:50:18 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on September 10, 2011, 04:32:49 PM
I just watched it, what STH said about none of the engines being forgotten made me kinda peeved. Maybe there is a delted scene with Duck, D&D, B&B, Olliver and Stepeny...oh wait they dont exist anymore in HiT land.
Season 12 would like a word with you.
On a sidenote, Duck was really the only engine who appeard. D&D,B&B, Oliver and stepeny only appeared like once. I will say the only funny part of DOTD was when the doors kept closing on Diesel 10 and him going ohh after it. :P
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on September 11, 2011, 04:19:02 PM
Quote from: Sparks on September 10, 2011, 05:50:18 PM
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on September 10, 2011, 04:32:49 PM
I just watched it, what STH said about none of the engines being forgotten made me kinda peeved. Maybe there is a delted scene with Duck, D&D, B&B, Olliver and Stepeny...oh wait they dont exist anymore in HiT land.
Season 12 would like a word with you.
On a sidenote, Duck was really the only engine who appeard. D&D,B&B, Oliver and stepeny only appeared like once.
An appearance is an appearance.
I disagree with some of your pros and cons...
How is Rhyming a bad thing? I know it sort of isn't Thomas but still they can be fun at times.
The fire explanation doesn't really matter.
Percy and the others being stupid? They be who they be. >:(
HiT does what they want with Thomas, sure I miss some old Thomas moments but I'm still fine with what HiT does... who knows, maybe Britt Allcroft might come back sometime and maybe the Season 16's 2nd half and Season 17's writing could be more pleasing than the previous writing.
The rhyming is just silly, and good stories have explanations.
Quote from: thomasj219 on September 13, 2011, 06:13:39 PM
The rhyming is just silly, and good stories have explanations.
Tell that to some episodes of Garfield & Friends.
I seen many good stories with no explanations and they didn't get slammed by reviewers. :P
I havn't got to see it yet, but I'll be able to soon!
Look I love Garfield & Friends and have every episode but they use rhyming differently. Thomas is not what it used to be.
Quote from: Azelf on September 13, 2011, 11:48:29 PM
Quote from: thomasj219 on September 13, 2011, 06:13:39 PM
The rhyming is just silly, and good stories have explanations.
Tell that to some episodes of Garfield & Friends.
I seen many good stories with no explanations and they didn't get slammed by reviewers. :P
It's never good to try and defend your case without any examples.
Got to watch it last Night. It's pretty good. I'd give it an... A.
Quote from: Sparks on September 15, 2011, 12:30:22 AM
Quote from: Azelf on September 13, 2011, 11:48:29 PM
Quote from: thomasj219 on September 13, 2011, 06:13:39 PM
The rhyming is just silly, and good stories have explanations.
Tell that to some episodes of Garfield & Friends.
I seen many good stories with no explanations and they didn't get slammed by reviewers. :P
It's never good to try and defend your case without any examples.
Those were examples right there.
I wouldn't consider Garfield and Friends, an obscure 90s cartoon, a good example.
Well, that's just your opinion. :P
It's just not the same subject matter.
Quote from: Azelf on September 28, 2011, 02:34:38 AM
Well, that's just your opinion. :P
It'd be my opinion if I said it wasn't a good show. It was made in the 90s, and it was pretty obscure compared to other shows of the era.
Anyway, back to Day of the Diesels. I believe it's already out in the UK, yes?
Am I the only person that dislikes Day of the diesels? ???
Quote from: ClearwtaerMK2 on September 28, 2011, 04:20:48 PM
Am I the only person that dislikes Day of the diesels? ???
Pretty much.
I didn't love it, but compared to the trash that was Misty Island Rescue it was better.
I think last year in October, someone on YouTube named "TTTEParody" made a fake trailer for "Day of the Diesels" before it was even announced. The trailer had a creepier twist to it which starts off with Thomas steaming into the scrapyard or Dieselworks then the sounds of metal clanging can be heard then he is suddenly hoisted up by ropes and Diesel 10 can be heard then seen laughing. I didn't see the real fake trailer, but TTTEParody held a contest for a remake of that trailer so only I saw the contest entries and not the real trailer (although I saw a bit of it on someone's fan made trailer).
It was then removed on YouTube for possible HiT copyright issues. Could HiT have "stolen" the idea and took down the fake trailer so they won't get sued? If you want to see this "fake" trailer thing yourself, look at "Day of the Diesels contest entries" on YouTube or something and you'll see what I mean.
HiT didn't steal the idea because movies are made many many months in advance, so there's no way HiT could have just stolen the idea.
HiT probably just didn't approve of the content presented in the video.
Quote from: thomasj219 on September 28, 2011, 06:11:59 PM
I didn't love it, but compared to the trash that was Misty Island Rescue it was better.
Really, trash? I didn't hate MIR. I actually kinda enjoyed it. What didn't you like about MIR?
Too much rhyming, bad storyline, no realism, and above all TOO MUCH RHYMING!
Quote from: SodorAdventures on September 28, 2011, 10:54:20 PM
Quote from: thomasj219 on September 28, 2011, 06:11:59 PM
I didn't love it, but compared to the trash that was Misty Island Rescue it was better.
Really, trash? I didn't hate MIR. I actually kinda enjoyed it. What didn't you like about MIR?
Yeah. It's not bad!
It's really bad.
Yeah. I know that's your Opinion, but yeah, that's yours, not mine( Dunno why I'm saying this :P).
THIS is Thomas, in case anyones forgotten.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY54QE5CQUI
Quote from: thomasj219 on September 29, 2011, 12:01:58 AM
It's really bad.
Not really!
Its good beause:
1. It had a well organized plot.
2. Less boring, "I already know this", time spent.
3. It had less personality of STH in it. (Some may like that, others may not.)
4. It had less goofs.
Why didnt you like it?
Although I agree with number 3, Well organized plot it definitely did not have, because of this the plot repeated and became boring and what do you mean exactly by goofs?
I don't really think DotD is a great movie.
I have a right to my opinion. :|
I agree it was not.
To reitterate....
Quote from: thomasj219 on September 29, 2011, 12:05:52 AM
THIS is Thomas, in case anyones forgotten.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY54QE5CQUI
Quote from: thomasj219 on October 01, 2011, 10:38:46 PM
Although I agree with number 3, Well organized plot it definitely did not have, because of this the plot repeated and became boring and what do you mean exactly by goofs?
The plot was the same, but guys, lets not forget the show is made for comprehension for small children. Otherwise, I did like it. I definitely DID NOT love it, but it was decent. Oh, and by goofs, I meant like the list you see on T&F wikia.
Quote from: Sparks on October 01, 2011, 11:06:22 PM
I don't really think DotD is a great movie.
I have a right to my opinion. :|
Granted, And I am not going to try and change it! I am just putting my opinion out there.
Quote from: PasqualeCS96 on October 02, 2011, 07:30:59 AM
To reitterate....Quote from: thomasj219 on September 29, 2011, 12:05:52 AM
THIS is Thomas, in case anyones forgotten.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY54QE5CQUI
Yes, but if you guys cant just roll with the changes, you'll never like anything!
Not true I embrace change when it's for the best and that was not. And lets not forget Wrong Road and other early Thomas episodes were made for small children too, and they had no trouble understanding it, I for one had and still have a better vocabulary than anyone in my class because of Thomas. We like what is good and has merit, and when you take something that was extremely good and ruin it, I do not "roll with" that.
I guess saying that HiT's rubbish is made so modern children can comprehend it is just like saying modern children are too stupid to undertand older episodes like Wrong Road. That's how I see it at least.
Exactly, they are embracing mediocrity. When I have kids they will be watching Seasons 1-7 of Thomas and and maybe 8-12... but maybe.
I honestly think this is a matter of the show having declining quality in the last few years, not just things changing. To me, Hero of the Rails remains not just HiTs, but any Thomas specials highest quality story overall.
I think the issue lately has been HiT prioritizes on having at least one Season every year, which leads to a cramped and rushed production scheduel. The CGI seasons by chance have been the worst because since 2009 they've been cramming an 80 episode (and 4 specials?) commission. The older seasons were spread apart and given longer development time, so the episodes ended up being higher quality, as everything was polished out (it took 14 years to reach Season 5, and then production was sped up to where we got from Season 6 to 15 within 9 years!).
Short version: If HiT spent more development time on each season, the quality of each season would likely to increase. Right now though, they prioritize quantity over quality.
Also agree, if they spend more time on seasons hopefully the writing improves. Doesn't someone have to approve these scripts, if so don't they realize they are reading the same story over and over...and over. Why are they getting made, maybe the writers do have better ideas but they are declined in favor of these stories to appease the parents who love "The Lessons" they teach. More wholesome and not so shoved down your throat lessons were learned in the first 7 seasons. The first 5 especially.
Quote from: thomasj219 on October 02, 2011, 01:27:37 PM
Not true I embrace change when it's for the best and that was not. And lets not forget Wrong Road and other early Thomas episodes were made for small children too, and they had no trouble understanding it, I for one had and still have a better vocabulary than anyone in my class because of Thomas. We like what is good and has merit, and when you take something that was extremely good and ruin it, I do not "roll with" that.
Unfourtunetly you MUST rol with that. It's a proven fact children of today are less smart, and hit must build their stories around that, and not change it altogether.
Quote from: Sparks on October 02, 2011, 02:34:50 PM
I honestly think this is a matter of the show having declining quality in the last few years, not just things changing. To me, Hero of the Rails remains not just HiTs, but any Thomas specials highest quality story overall.
I think the issue lately has been HiT prioritizes on having at least one Season every year, which leads to a cramped and rushed production scheduel. The CGI seasons by chance have been the worst because since 2009 they've been cramming an 80 episode (and 4 specials?) commission. The older seasons were spread apart and given longer development time, so the episodes ended up being higher quality, as everything was polished out (it took 14 years to reach Season 5, and then production was sped up to where we got from Season 6 to 15 within 9 years!).
Short version: If HiT spent more development time on each season, the quality of each season would likely to increase. Right now though, they prioritize quantity over quality.
Ding Ding Ding; we have a winner.
Most companies such as Thomas and Friends, will make ALOT, and. If people are clueless to the less quality, and 95% are clueless of poor quality, ( us being the other 5%), they will just buy it anyways, and TandF wins. Its a tough world out there, and that's the conditions
I'm afraid that is false. The reason that children of previous years were smarter is because they had more challenging material. If someone never has to try and learn they will never have the desire, this is where the parent actinides and HiT have it wrong. And no I don't have to roll with that. Fight to make the world smarter don't just give in to mediocrity, in Thomas' case...it's worse, years ago it was such a fun educational show. Now we have the same story over and over... And the winter holidays. It's all so sad and what's even sadder is no one sees it, or more likely...no one cares. So I will always speak out and try to fix not just Thomas but all I can.
Quote from: thomasj219 on October 02, 2011, 09:56:13 PM
I'm afraid that is false. The reason that children of previous years were smarter is because they had more challenging material. If someone never has to try and learn they will never have the desire, this is where the parent actinides and HiT have it wrong. And no I don't have to roll with that. Fight to make the world smarter don't just give in to mediocrity, in Thomas' case...it's worse, years ago it was such a fun educational show. Now we have the same story over and over... And the winter holidays. It's all so sad and what's even sadder is no one sees it, or more likely...no one cares. So I will always speak out and try to fix not just Thomas but all I can.
Yes, that is very true, but that is NOT what I said. Other factors have led to less smart children of the modern era, but Thomas and friends just is rolling with the changes themselves. By lowering the required attentuo spam of the shows. Am I happy, no not to happy, am I understanding of hits logic, of course! Especially in harsh times, if just being a follow will roll enough dough, then thts how it goes, and I hate to burst your bubble, but hit really doesn't care about the Thomas critics. The children and parents are who they use. I do wish they used us, but they really don't need to, and they really dont care. Sorry!
Sorry to burst your bubble, but HiT isn't rolling with any punches they did not alter Thomas for the benigit of dumb kids or anything like that. They are doing the easy things to make money, what made the series great was that it took 14 years to get to five seasons money wasn't the MAIN objective Thomas was, that has changed now, and what I said was they are listening to parent groups and such. They don't care about Thomas or maybe I should say they didn't, with Greg Tierman as director and a new writing style on the way Thomas may be back soon.
If they didn't listen to critics of Thomas, then they wouldn't be responding to this:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2044223/Thomas-Tank-Engine-Christmas-episode-accused-politically-correct.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
To add, I think a lot of the Season 12 cameos were the way they were due to what the older fans want (Duck and Emily in the same scene? Seems intentional to me!). HiT has also personally invited fans to their premieres in the past, and keeps close with SIF as VIPs on their forum. I doubt HiT would have told Bachmann to make Bill, Ben, Donald and Douglas if us older fans weren't demanding them. To say HiT isn't at least listening to us is just silly.
It's hard to take and apply criticism when they have 4 years to make 4 seasons, and 4 specials!
Exactly the fans always have a voice, use it.
I feel stupid now. I've started 2 Debates ( Or whatever they are :P) that feel like arguments. I hate this and feel strange. :( :-[
Quote from: thomasj219 on October 03, 2011, 03:01:52 AM
Exactly the fans always have a voice, use it.
No they don't!!!!!! Hit did it for money! It just helps that those were the ones that we want. But, we still don't have duck. The cameos were luck too. The only reason they responded to daily ail was because they just should, it's the daily mail, it's more important, and well, Sif, he is very pushy. But they don't want US fans telling them, and they have their own advisors for a reason! So I hate to burst your bubble. Please don't be nieve. The world is not as happy of a place as it was years ago.
You are calling me niave...well ok let's get this straight you think fans US fans especially have no voice and our persistent badgerings had nothing to do with the reappearance of Duck, Doland, Douglas, Oliver, Toad, and Stepney in the 12th Season when some had not been seen for as many as five seasons before. You also feel that our wish lists had nothing to do with the realease of Bill, Ben, Donald, Douglas, and other classic characters. I will not say that they were what made them be released but they were a powerful factor.
You are right HiT is all about making money that is why they listen to what the fans want. Even the older fans because think about it, if you were to introduce a character like Charlie into the BACHMANN Range how many older Thomas fans would buy him. Not many and we are a larger community than you think, we would take away a lot of profits for that reason and because the trains are much more expensive, older fans are a huge part of the BACHMANN Thomas market. However if you introduce a classic character, like Duck older fans are sure to buy him as would the pre school crowd because they will buy anything Thomas. Therefore you get BOTH markets rather than just one and with trains that are 50 and up it really counts. Sparks and I have given evidence on this matter on sevral occasolns and I have tried my best to spell it out for you here. So sorry to burst your bubble , but I think you are the one who is naive.
Sincerely,
John (thomasj219)
P.S Please think hard before you respond and don't just rehash old failed arguments.
They can "do it for the money" and listen to the fans at the same time. Are they applying the criticism they hear from us though?
I'll echo a familiar recent quote; "these things take time; you will see that some things are well worth waiting for."
Quote from: thomasj219 on October 03, 2011, 11:23:11 AM
You are calling me niave...well ok let's get this straight you think fans US fans especially have no voice and our persistent badgerings had nothing to do with the reappearance of Duck, Doland, Douglas, Oliver, Toad, and Stepney in the 12th Season when some had not been seen for as many as five seasons before. You also feel that our wish lists had nothing to do with the realease of Bill, Ben, Donald, Douglas, and other classic characters. I will not say that they were what made them be released but they were a powerful factor.
You are right HiT is all about making money that is why they listen to what the fans want. Even the older fans because think about it, if you were to introduce a character like Charlie into the BACHMANN Range how many older Thomas fans would buy him. Not many and we are a larger community than you think, we would take away a lot of profits for that reason and because the trains are much more expensive, older fans are a huge part of the BACHMANN Thomas market. However if you introduce a classic character, like Duck older fans are sure to buy him as would the pre school crowd because they will buy anything Thomas. Therefore you get BOTH markets rather than just one and with trains that are 50 and up it really counts. Sparks and I have given evidence on this matter on sevral occasolns and I have tried my best to spell it out for you here. So sorry to burst your bubble , but I think you are the one who is naive.
Sincerely,
John (thomasj219)
P.S Please think hard before you respond and don't just rehash old failed arguments.
Thanks for the Tip, I never needed it, but I will make sure to remember >:(
Unfortunately, you are naive. THe person who is naive is very strong to believing they are not, but in fact, you are. The world is not lollipops and gum drops, there is more to it. Such as greed. Something so powerful, it causes people to risk spending the rest of their life in jail. An example: Bernie Madeoff. Just look at him!
Now I KNOW this is not the case for Thomas and Friends, but do you really think that they would do the things you ask, if it wasn't their idea in the first place. Now listen to me, if they truly cared! They would have told us their awnsers, and even if they said no, they still cared about our opinions! But, NO, that is not the case. Look at the money they roll in, do you think they need US to tell them what to do. Now, I am not trying to stop you from getting your opinion heard, but truly, that would be very difficult to do. And if you truly do not like the Thomas of Today, then go back the Thomas of the Past. Bu dont get me wrong, you shouldnt feel discourged from this, just act with a little more knowledge.
Now you said our wishes were a powerful factor. Granted, maybe they looked through here, and browsed the topic, and that might have been one of their plus', but its not even close to powerful. Listen, you may think there are many of "US" but we make up, most likely .5 to 1 % of all the fans of Thomas and Friends. 99% is small children. And you dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. And ALSO, the reason why they dont mess with Duck anymore is because if they can get 8 NEW engines out, then even if at least 45% of the fans buy it, then thats very good. Look, I dont want to be mean, but thats the world, and its also statistics.
Hear me Through. -Sodoradventures
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( I DID NOT MEAN TO START THESE DEBATES OR WHATEVER BUT I DON'T WANT THEM!!!!!!!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( THIS IS GETTING INSANE!!!!!!! PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!!!! >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :(
Quote from: SodorAdventures on October 03, 2011, 04:00:14 PM
Unfortunately, you are naive. THe person who is naive is very strong to believing they are not, but in fact, you are. The world is not lollipops and gum drops, there is more to it. Such as greed. Something so powerful, it causes people to risk spending the rest of their life in jail. An example: Bernie Madeoff. Just look at him!
I am not naive, I am a critical thinker and an educated adult. I look at a counter argument weigh it's value and then decide wether adopt or discard it as I have with most of yours. You act like you know more than you do and just continue to insist you are right no matter how much evidence you are given to the contrary. And how am I saying the world is "Lollipops and Gumdrops" no one knows better than I that the world is a scary place. I am talking about a companies monetary methods so again this is a rubbish statement.
Quote from: SodorAdventures on October 03, 2011, 04:00:14 PM
Now I KNOW this is not the case for Thomas and Friends, but do you really think that they would do the things you ask, if it wasn't their idea in the first place. Now listen to me, if they truly cared! They would have told us their awnsers, and even if they said no, they still cared about our opinions! But, NO, that is not the case. Look at the money they roll in, do you think they need US to tell them what to do. Now, I am not trying to stop you from getting your opinion heard, but truly, that would be very difficult to do. And if you truly do not like the Thomas of Today, then go back the Thomas of the Past. Bu dont get me wrong, you shouldnt feel discouraged from this, just act with a little more knowledge.
That did not really make sense but what I got from it is that you want someone from HiT to personally answer all of our questions. Do you really expect a major company to do that? That is just silly, but make no mistake they are looking. You should act with a little more knowledge because you truly have NO IDEA what you are talking about.
Quote from: SodorAdventures on October 03, 2011, 04:00:14 PM
Now you said our wishes were a powerful factor. Granted, maybe they looked through here, and browsed the topic, and that might have been one of their plus', but its not even close to powerful. Listen, you may think there are many of "US" but we make up, most likely .5 to 1 % of all the fans of Thomas and Friends. 99% is small children. And you dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. And ALSO, the reason why they dont mess with Duck anymore is because if they can get 8 NEW engines out, then even if at least 45% of the fans buy it, then thats very good. Look, I dont want to be mean, but thats the world, and its also statistics.
Hear me Through. -Sodoradventures
This is likely the most baseless, false argument I have ever heard. I would love to know where you get you're statistics from but if you are estimating once again you are DEAD WRONG. While a lot of Thomas fans are in pre school it is no where near 99% of the market. A child is in pre-school age from 2-5 which is only four years. Yes more children are born but HiT's money really comes from THE PARENTS WHO DO NOT BUY ELECTRIC TRAINS UNTIL THEIR CHILD REACHES THE AGE WHERE THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEM. Which is not pre school age. You do not understand economics at all, a company is not going to market a brand like Thomas just to pre schoolers, because it is a small market, doesn't last long and not all pre schoolers like Thomas. They want to create a character that will last through the years to give the profit through the years, which is what has always been done with Thomas, why do you think we are still interested in Thomas. That is precisely the reason why Thomas markets like BACHMANN, LIONEL, and HORNBY exist. Do you really think parents are buying these for their pre schoolers, no. Sure there are a few young children who have a LIONEL, or a BACHMANN Thomas I for one had a G Scale Thomas from LIONEL when I was 4 but G Scale trains are intended for smaller hands. The majority of people who own these HO trains are 8 and up which is what it says on the package. HORNBY made buildings out of resin specifically for Adult Collectors for gods sake. So HiT makes A LOT of their money from collectors and to say they don't is ridiculous. with the new WWII movie they are making yet another lie of toys aimed at an older audience. All the proof is there. You may be too young to understand this, but all markets have an older audience in mind as well as younger, it's why Thomas has been around so long. So please think before you speak because you sound very foolish, so apparently you do need my previous tip. You have proven this over and over again, you arguments make absolutely no sense and you will not listen to anyone else, so how you have the nerve to tell anyone they are naive or to act with more knowledge is beyond me. I realize you are young so act you're age, don't act like you know more than you do and If you really want to tell someone that they are naive or need to speak with more knowledge, tell someone who really needs to hear it, just take a look in the mirror.
Not trying to be mean, just really don't know how else to say it.
Quote from: PercyFan742 on October 03, 2011, 07:14:25 PM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( I DID NOT MEAN TO START THESE DEBATES OR WHATEVER BUT I DON'T WANT THEM!!!!!!!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( THIS IS GETTING INSANE!!!!!!! PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!!!! >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :(
Take it easy man we are just, debating and we are allowed to do that. You did not cause it, so don't worry. :D
Quote from: thomasj219 on October 03, 2011, 07:52:24 PM
Quote from: PercyFan742 on October 03, 2011, 07:14:25 PM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( I DID NOT MEAN TO START THESE DEBATES OR WHATEVER BUT I DON'T WANT THEM!!!!!!!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( THIS IS GETTING INSANE!!!!!!! PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!!!! >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :(
Take it easy man we are just, debating and we are allowed to do that. You did not cause it, so don't worry.
REALLY!!?? :o :o :o Well, I guess I won't be veiwing this Thread EVER AGAIN! >:(
That's cool. Who's arguing now? ::) We are just having an intellectual discussion that we all are a part of willingly, nothing more.
dude, your out of line. This all started as a bloody day of the diesels review, and after seeing this kind of debate, i think it would be wise just to make a NEW topic to "Debate" in.
Thats fine, I'm all for a new topic, but I don't think I'm out of line, I'm sorry if my second to last post was a little heated but I am frustrated. Surely you can understand that.
To get back on track of the thread, did anybody notice Percy actually did sarcasm to Cranky? He asks him for help, Cranky says No and Percy, in a taunting voice says, Thank you Cranky. I fell off the couch laughing! :D
Hahaha yeah, that surprised me. Pleasantly I might add. ;D
Quote from: thomasj219 on October 03, 2011, 07:52:24 PM
Quote from: SodorAdventures on October 03, 2011, 04:00:14 PM
Unfortunately, you are naive. THe person who is naive is very strong to believing they are not, but in fact, you are. The world is not lollipops and gum drops, there is more to it. Such as greed. Something so powerful, it causes people to risk spending the rest of their life in jail. An example: Bernie Madeoff. Just look at him!
I am not naive, I am a critical thinker and an educated adult. I look at a counter argument weigh it's value and then decide wether adopt or discard it as I have with most of yours. You act like you know more than you do and just continue to insist you are right no matter how much evidence you are given to the contrary. And how am I saying the world is "Lollipops and Gumdrops" no one knows better than I that the world is a scary place. I am talking about a companies monetary methods so again this is a rubbish statement.
Everything I say, rubbish! You gotta look at the garbage you spell out. I also decide whether to adopt or discard, and most of YOUR arguments are inferred and have NO base. EVen if you talk about the companies monetary methods, you are still living like the world is a happy, and caring place, but obviously, that is not the case.
Quote from: SodorAdventures on October 03, 2011, 04:00:14 PM
Now I KNOW this is not the case for Thomas and Friends, but do you really think that they would do the things you ask, if it wasn't their idea in the first place. Now listen to me, if they truly cared! They would have told us their awnsers, and even if they said no, they still cared about our opinions! But, NO, that is not the case. Look at the money they roll in, do you think they need US to tell them what to do. Now, I am not trying to stop you from getting your opinion heard, but truly, that would be very difficult to do. And if you truly do not like the Thomas of Today, then go back the Thomas of the Past. Bu dont get me wrong, you shouldnt feel discouraged from this, just act with a little more knowledge.
That did not really make sense but what I got from it is that you want someone from HiT to personally answer all of our questions. Do you really expect a major company to do that? That is just silly, but make no mistake they are looking. You should act with a little more knowledge because you truly have NO IDEA what you are talking about.
Oh yea, NO IDEA, sure. You dont get that even if HIT, a major company, really were worrued, they would tell us. Your saying that they would do that, so, I am kinda rubbing off the fact that they dont care about us, on you. And, oh, if I had NO IDEA, explain all my facts!
Quote from: SodorAdventures on October 03, 2011, 04:00:14 PM
Now you said our wishes were a powerful factor. Granted, maybe they looked through here, and browsed the topic, and that might have been one of their plus', but its not even close to powerful. Listen, you may think there are many of "US" but we make up, most likely .5 to 1 % of all the fans of Thomas and Friends. 99% is small children. And you dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. And ALSO, the reason why they dont mess with Duck anymore is because if they can get 8 NEW engines out, then even if at least 45% of the fans buy it, then thats very good. Look, I dont want to be mean, but thats the world, and its also statistics.
Hear me Through. -Sodoradventures
This is likely the most baseless, false argument I have ever heard. I would love to know where you get you're statistics from but if you are estimating once again you are DEAD WRONG. While a lot of Thomas fans are in pre school it is no where near 99% of the market. A child is in pre-school age from 2-5 which is only four years. Yes more children are born but HiT's money really comes from THE PARENTS WHO DO NOT BUY ELECTRIC TRAINS UNTIL THEIR CHILD REACHES THE AGE WHERE THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEM. Which is not pre school age. You do not understand economics at all, a company is not going to market a brand like Thomas just to pre schoolers, because it is a small market, doesn't last long and not all pre schoolers like Thomas. They want to create a character that will last through the years to give the profit through the years, which is what has always been done with Thomas, why do you think we are still interested in Thomas. That is precisely the reason why Thomas markets like BACHMANN, LIONEL, and HORNBY exist. Do you really think parents are buying these for their pre schoolers, no. Sure there are a few young children who have a LIONEL, or a BACHMANN Thomas I for one had a G Scale Thomas from LIONEL when I was 4 but G Scale trains are intended for smaller hands. The majority of people who own these HO trains are 8 and up which is what it says on the package. HORNBY made buildings out of resin specifically for Adult Collectors for gods sake. So HiT makes A LOT of their money from collectors and to say they don't is ridiculous. with the new WWII movie they are making yet another lie of toys aimed at an older audience. All the proof is there. You may be too young to understand this, but all markets have an older audience in mind as well as younger, it's why Thomas has been around so long. So please think before you speak because you sound very foolish, so apparently you do need my previous tip. You have proven this over and over again, you arguments make absolutely no sense and you will not listen to anyone else, so how you have the nerve to tell anyone they are naive or to act with more knowledge is beyond me. I realize you are young so act you're ageoh yea, so thats what you did you were 13, sat down and said that adult modelers know more than me, so I should just sit down, and hold my opinions in. Really? I feel sorry for ya then, don't act like you know more than you do and If you really want to tell someone that they are naive or need to speak with more knowledge, tell someone who really needs to hear it, just take a look in the mirror.
Not trying to be mean, just really don't know how else to say it.
You need to take your own advice. EVen if those parents buy the electric trains at an older age, that is not a large percent, and like I said, a very little percentage. Most parents dont know better and get these ELECTRIC TRAINS when they are very young! THey don't know any better! You expect too much of people. You think that there are so many 20 and 30 year olds in love with Thomas, also very incorrect. Its ONLY really for kids. ANOTHER FACT: I have been to Day out with Thomas before, in Strasburg pa, THE MAIN ONE, and was there for 6 hours, only twice did I see a fan above the age of 13 there. The REAL TRUE fans lower that number more. A 8 years, even with an electric train still doesn't most likely know as much as us! The WWII movie is a guaranteed gimmick, its going to be for kids, and I can guarantee you that you wont like it, and I will remember in 2014, when we see the movie, that you will call it rubbish, because THOMAS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME AS 1980- 2000. They change, now for the better or worse is our own opinion, but seriously, I think that I spend more time on this subject than you. I am not syaing I know more in general than you. That would be lying. I respect you and your opinions, not to mention, I love your videos, but this debate can be right either way, due to the fact that we both have our own way of viewing the situation. Now if I insult you, or offended you in any way, I apologize, but I hope we can somehow make ends meet.
Quote from: PercyFan742 on October 03, 2011, 07:14:25 PM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( I DID NOT MEAN TO START THESE DEBATES OR WHATEVER BUT I DON'T WANT THEM!!!!!!!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( THIS IS GETTING INSANE!!!!!!! PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!!!! >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :(
Take it easy man we are just, debating and we are allowed to do that. You did not cause it, so don't worry. :D
Yea, Its a formal debate. We are not be mean to one another.
Even I think this is starting to become childishly aggressive. I think everyone just needs to agree to disagree because this is getting nowhere. It doesn't help that everyone keeps thinking they're "right" and try to force their opinions on each other as fact.
Thank you for the compliments, I just don't get how you can't see that my opinions do have a base in fact and I'm not saying HiT would talk to us at all exactly the opposite. I am just saying they want to make as much money as possible, since the pre-school crowd will buy anything and they want our money too so they take our suggestions to heart, even if they don't abide them all. They would rather sell to 75% with classic characters than 45% with new ones in the electric line. But Sparks is right lets drop this or continue personally.
Quote from: thomasj219 on October 03, 2011, 10:10:19 PM
Thank you for the compliments, I just don't get how you can't see that my opinions do have a base in fact and I'm not saying HiT would talk to us at all exactly the opposite. I am just saying they want to make as much money as possible, since the pre-school crowd will buy anything and they want our money too so they take our suggestions to heart, even if they don't abide them all. They would rather sell to 75% with classic characters than 45% with new ones in the electric line. But Sparks is right lets drop this or continue personally.
Agreed. I see your point and will say that maybe HIT does care about our opinions. And it is true that is no new Charlie or Dash and bash in the electic line, the orinigals alone. I see your logic. Are we clean now? Back to the normal friendly Thomas fans?
Quote from: Sparks on October 03, 2011, 09:29:30 PM
Even I think this is starting to become childishly aggressive. I think everyone just needs to agree to disagree because this is getting nowhere. It doesn't help that everyone keeps thinking they're "right" and try to force their opinions on each other as fact.
I totally agree this thread is starting to get out of hand :P
Re Day Of The Diesels
Can ANYONE help me on this?
So many people say Sydney is seen in Three shots across the film, but no matter how hard I look, I can only see him in one, and that is the one he is focused on laughing in. What ARE the other two shots, and can anyone post any screenshots from them to clarify?
I know one of the times you see Sidney is a small bit of his cab in a shot (forget which one), and then another is only seen in one of the screen resolutions (I think 16:9 or Widescreen, probably Bluray) when Percy is leaving the Dieselworks (Mavis and Salty can be seen in this shot too I recall).
I'll try to see if I can get a picture of the cab cameo, but I'm out of luck with the third shot.
@therailwayinspector
UnknownThomasFan1 of Youtube posted a video showing one of Sidney's 'cab cameos'. The very first second of the video, look to the right, and you'll see Sid's blue cab.
http://youtu.be/qwyyp9G04UY
I didn't catch this myself until just a moment ago.
I really wish the new diesels had been used more.. oh well.
Quote from: Sparks on September 28, 2011, 10:45:11 PM
HiT didn't steal the idea because movies are made many many months in advance, so there's no way HiT could have just stolen the idea.
HiT probably just didn't approve of the content presented in the video.
Well, how did TTTEParody find out the plot of DOTD and made a video of it before the movie itself was even announced? Could the plot have been leaked last year? ???
Quote from: Azelf on October 23, 2011, 11:55:09 PM
Quote from: Sparks on September 28, 2011, 10:45:11 PM
HiT didn't steal the idea because movies are made many many months in advance, so there's no way HiT could have just stolen the idea.
HiT probably just didn't approve of the content presented in the video.
Well, how did TTTEParody find out the plot of DOTD and made a video of it before the movie itself was even announced? Could the plot have been leaked last year? ???
It was likely a coincidence. I don't remember when the synopsis was first revealed.